WW LXXXII: Return to Tol-in-Gaurhoth

[Nogrod]

Okay, back in the game with belly full...

Originally Posted by Leg

you are sometimes incredibly off in this game. Did you read what I was talking about up there? You have even the quote right above it! Nothing about Pitch, but your words about Glirdy and Skip's votes being in the suspicious place

I was only looking at the thing you quoted from my post - which basically had the knowledge of Glirdyranger and Pitchocent; as that was the point of my post: that two of the most suspicious three were innocents!

Okay, 'nuff of that. I need to try and re-organise my thoughts.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I was only looking at the thing you quoted from my post - which basically had the knowledge of Glirdyranger and Pitchocent; as that was the point of my post: that two of the most suspicious three were innocents!

Okay, in that case I have probably misread it too. Although it seemed to me that your point in the post was very largely about these three being in the suspicious place as in contrary to some people in the 7th or whatever place, something you've been kind of dementing by pointing out that it was these three, and not the 7th votes, who were suspicious... but okay, whatever, let's forget it...

[Inziladun]

Gah, between sleep and RL this is the first chance I've had to look at this in quite a while. *hurries to try and catch up*

[Ozban]

This is called Silence before the storm...

[Inziladun]

A lot to digest in a short period of time. My apologies.

++Legate

[wilwarin538]

Day 2

Leg #118: says my random vote is better than Ozban’s. Which I must say is silly, my vote was for myself, a total throwaway, whil Oz actually had a legitimate suspicion for Legate. And I find it funny that Leg calls him ‘alibistic’, which is exactly what Ozzy had called him. Not comfortable with Noggins. –

Ozzy #120: says he would rather vote for who he suspects over voting with the crowd, I likey. + (I really like this kid, he amuses me)

Boro #123: quotes Shasta’s posts, and thinks that PitchWolf was the likely dream. It was a logical conclusion. +

Skip #124: explains that he felt Lottie could have been the Seer and had dreamt of ShastaWolf, also agrees Pitch could have been the dream. The Lottie Seer thing is odd, but I suppose I see where he was coming from . =

Nog #125: didn’t like Boro’s vote at all, and doesn’t really thing the Shasta lynch was ‘random’ as Legate had said. =

Leg #127: long detailed list, fine with Greenie, finds it odd that Lottie hadn’t received more votes than Shasta, uncomfortable with Nog, ok-ish with Pitch, thinks Skip is ‘lost in the crowd’, suspicious of Glirdypie, iffy about Inzil, questionmark Boro, fine with moi, not sure about Eonwe. What really stand out about this post is what he says about Ozzy: “Of Ozban I spoke above basically in my previous post... I think he has generally sort of good style, it just remains to be seen whether he is hiding fur behind some mask or not.” Uhm, what? I dislike this, it sounds weird, the whole ‘it remains to be seen’, cause that seems like it would apply to everyone. Just odd. –

Nog #129: doesn’t like that Legate seems to be saying that Shasta wasn’t at all suspicious, wants to hear more from Lottie. =

Leg # 130: says how hard it is to analys the votes, since they were mostly all for the same person (agreed). Says again that Lottie was more suspicious, hence his confusion over Shasta being the lynch (agreed). Thinks dream was either WolfPitch or OrdoNerwen. +

Inzil #134: agrees that Pitch could have been the dream +

Lottie #135: this: “First off - what the hey? What was that? That bandwagon has got to be one of the silliest bandwagons I've seen in a long time (and the fact that I've seen sillier is just sad. ). And by 'that bandwagon', I mostly mean the...five, was it, people who voted close to each other, towards the end. Did you guys see no problems in this situation?” and this: “Yeah, I realized later that my disclaimers could look Seerish. After I noticed that, my 'plan' was to lynch Shasta, who was supposed to be a wolf, and then maybe/hopefully the wolves would kill me instead of the real Seer. Yeah. That went well. Now pardon me while I go head-desk for a few minutes...”. I feel like giving her 3 negatives for all that. - - -

Boro #139: describes his feelings about the bandwagon, and the reasoning for his random vote = frustration (ditto for me). Thinks perhaps a PitchWolf dream would be too obvious. +

(eek, only 38 minutes left til DL, going to speed this up a bit, and likely be a bit vague for stuff)

Inzil #142: also agrees about dream maybe being of Pitch +

Lottie #144: makes list, doesn’t trust Pitch, Nog, Legate and Ozzy, and in 146 says that Pitch isn’t suspicious on his own, the possibility of him being dreamed is the only reason to vote him. =

Legate #150: post about Lottie, that I agreed with quite a bit, made some good arguments against her. (votes her right after) +

Ozzy #154: suspicious of Lottie and Legate, thinks Nerwen the more likely dream, didn’t like Skip’s vote, feels good about Steve. (poem in 155, interesting) +

Boro #156: talks about Ranger save, more about bandwagon, accuses me of Cobblery because of my self-vote. =

Boro #160: note going to vote Leg, Lottie, Nerwen, Greenie, suspects Nog and I of Cobblery, and then lists everyone else as “The rest of the bunch who are neither coming off as people I would not want to vote for nor the cobbler, and thus possible wolves who I may cast a vote for...” =

(page 5, yaya!!!)

Lottie #161: defends her vote, still don’t like her reasoning –

Greenie #162: votes Skip, because of his ‘opportunistic’ Shasta vote =

Ozzy #164: votes Pitch +

Nog #165: talks about the wagon, thinks Glidy, Skip and Pitch’s votes look the worst =

Nog #168: debating about Pitch being the dream, seems very unsure (and today called me wavering, did he? how interesting) –

Eonwe #180: defends his vote, and says that the Ranger save didn’t make up for losing our Seer, I get his point, though I don’t totally agree. +

Nog #184: still suspicious of Glirdy and in 187 still unsure about whether or not to go for Pitch =

Inzil #188: votes Pitch, good reasoning. +

Skip #192: goes for Legate, so there are alternatives =

Boro #199: goes for Pitch, I don’t understand what he said before his vote, I *think* he was agreeing with me, but for some reasoning the wording makes no sense to me =

Eonwe #200: says Pitch lynch would make sense, and even if he’s innocent then atleast we could feel good about nerwen +

Lottie votes for Pitch, Nog votes for Lottie, Steve for Lottie

And I’ll just stop there, I don’t have enough time to go through today in that detail, I’m afraid.


Results? (taking into account the total +/=/- I gave to their posts, and my ultimate opinion on them)

Legate: 4 +, 1 =, 5 -.....I don't like. He's very wishy-washy, seems to go back in forth with his opinions, and just maybe wants to seem more useful then he is and wants to keep everyone happy. I'm leaning that he could be the Cobbler, but I'm suspicious enough of him to vote him.

Noggins: 2 +, 5 =, 3 -.....so I feel mostly good about him, in an iffy sorta way. It's like I want to trust him, but something just seems off.

Inzil: 7 +. I like Inzil. He's logical, and seems very honest to me.

Lottie: 1 +, 2 =, 6 -.....really not trusting Lottiepop, biggest reason being her reaction on Day 2 about the Shasta bangwaggon, getting all upset that we all voted the same as her, and then trying to say it was cause she was trying to make the wolves think she was the Seer. Didn't like any of that at all.

Skip: 4 =, I'm really unsure about him, som things I don't like, some things I do.

Steve: 3 +, hasn't posted too much, but what I've seen I've liked.

Ozzy: 5 +, I want him to be my new best friend (no offense Glirdypie ). He's really cool, and I like how direct he is.

Greenie: 4 =, 1 -. Mostly neutral about her.

Boro: 3=, 4 +. Feel fairly good about him, mostly cause I agree with him on practically everything.

So right now, if I had to guess who our wolves are I would go with Legate and Lottie, and if I had to choose a third that would be Nog. I think I'm gonna vote either Legate or Lottie though.

x'ed with a bunch, and only I only have 2 minutes!!! *panics*

[Ozban]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

zzy #120: says he would rather vote for who he suspects over voting with the crowd, I likey. + (I really like this kid, he amuses me)

Kid? you are about 4 months older than me!!

[Nogrod]

Skip and Lottie come to my mind first.

Skip: I just can't believe the Shasta-wagon was totally innocent-built (well it could be, but really). Also I think Greenie had a few points of which especially the one that Skip said toDay that Legate is beginning to look suspiciopus - while he himself thought him the most suspicious yesterDay as much as to vote him instead of Pitchie or any other "argued for" candidate... So the short memory of the one who needs to lie?

Lottie: her explanation that she tried to pull out a seer-impression on D1 looks pretty dubious. Also her vote yesterDay for Pitchie while first driving for other solutions - and in the votepost suspecting Skip the most...

Others... well, a moment.

[Nogrod]

Too late to make any big posts trying to consider everyone... But you can find my thoughts from the megapost I did earlier toDay.

So I'd be inclined to vote for Skip or Lottie - for the reasons stated in my earlier post.

[Nogrod]

I thought of bringing Lottie to the mix... Are there enough votes to make it a sensible idea?

Lottie --> Skip
Boro --> Eönwë
Nerwen --> Skip 2
Greeniw --> Skip 3
Ozban --> Legate

Edit: X'd with the few latest

[Ozban]

Time's running out, lightning was seen, thunder's to be heard any moment.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nog, I think we can at least try. And if skip is Wolf and WWs want to save him, we'll give them the chance! By which they could be caught later...

Ok, but now probably x-ed... okay I see now... whatever...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++skip

Just in case somebody wanted to vote ME still. I guess the lottie-plan should've started a bit earlier... again we are at bandwagon... but let's see what happesn...

EDIT: x-ed with wilwas and nogs and whatnot, and I see I've possibly done well to vote like I did...

[Thinlómien]

Deadline, stop posting. Skip has been lynched unless I miscounted . Narration up as soon as I get it written.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Funny. I am beginning to toy with the idea to join the bandwaggon for skip. I mean, look! Everybody had the possibility to have fun by joining some bandwaggon already, now I finally have the chance too, why not to use it? Okay, such things should not be joked about after the last two Days, but...

The point is basically, otherwise I could vote Lottie again (I don't feel so strongly about Boro yet and anyway, I am not sure if there would be a chance to lynch him). I still think she is guilty and that hasn't changed - of all people, I have the most sound suspicion for her. But if there was no way to lynch her and the main decision of toDay was between somebody else, then I could vote skip. He is one of the half-suspects of mine, and I have been thinking about many things Greenie pointed out against him - I could agree with much of it. The problem is more like that still some of his posts seemed more genuine to me. His last explanation about his yesterDay's vote didn't seem as good to me.

I will probably wait and see... or what, are other people considering Lottie? Anybody?

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Ozban]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Funny. I am beginning to toy with the idea to join the bandwaggon for skip. I mean, look! Everybody had the possibility to have fun by joining some bandwaggon already, now I finally have the chance too, why not to use it? Okay, such things should not be joked about after the last two Days, but...

Hilarious But joining in crossed my mind too.

I have other options though, especially you!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Legate- Looks much better in my eyes after his last post. He raises some interesting points and .

Oh, thanks, even though I don't know what is the other part of why you think of me better

Originally Posted by Ozban

I have other options though, especially you!

And thanks too!

But now! Actually if there are more people willing to vote Lottie, perhaps we can at last make it a competition? And if one of these two is innocent and anotehr is not, at least the voting could tell us something?

EDIT: Xed with two votes

[skip spence]

So if we lynch Lottie and she is innocent. what do we learn. Nothing.

She is guilty. Great, then Legate is probably innocent.

We lynch Legate and he is innocent. Could potentially teach us something but very bad still.

He's guilty. Great, then Lottie is probably okay.

[skip spence]

I guees I'd have to go with

++Legate

And Inzil, you have good reasons not to vote me regardless of your role!

[Nogrod]

Jesus wilwa!

You should be lynched for that!

[Nogrod]

++ Lottie

[Nogrod]

A bit different one this time...

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Jesus wilwa!

You should be lynched for that!

What? I wasn't going to put an hour into something and not post it.

x'ed with a bunch, wow, that was nuts...

[skip spence]

Ouch Nerwen, did not expect that!

Now maybe it's time after all to try Lottie. Actually, I'd be fine with Steve too - and yes, saving myslef is part of my reasoning. He's a submarine more or less but has done nothing to make me feel good about him

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Skip

Well, Greenie, your points against me are terribly subjective and vague on the whole. It's sounds like you'd already made up your mind about the outcome of your analysis before even getting started. I mean, these are just a few examples of your "arguments":

The lines you quoted are mostly the exact parts in my analysis that are not arguments, and taken out of context.

I, much like all others it seems (bar the Wolves) though that Shasta could've dreamed Pitch, that this was a likely scenario. There are however three wolves out there still and as I also found Legate suspicious I felt another alternative could be wise to bring forwards, especially since the catastrophe of the Day 1 bandwagon. And the vote wasn't a throwaway, there was still enough people left to vote to change the outcome... In retrospect it would've been nice to have seen a closer voting too, wouldn't you say?

This does not make sense. Why is it especially wise to bring up a new alternative if one of the already existing candidates is, quoting you, "likely" dreamed by the Seer as wolf - especially as the lynch was not quite certain yet? If you thought both Pitch and Legate were suspicious, you wouldn't worry about Pitch getting lynched.


EDIT: x-ed since Legate 180 - no sorry, 266

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

This does not make sense. Why is it especially wise to bring up a new alternative if one of the already existing candidates is, quoting you, "likely" dreamed by the Seer as wolf - especially as the lynch was not quite certain yet? If you thought both Pitch and Legate were suspicious, you wouldn't worry about Pitch getting lynched.

Well now, would you have preferred that everyone voted Pitch? Because everyone (bar the wolves) must have considered Pitch a likely Seer dream (still haven't forgiven Shasta for that). Notice that likely doesn't translate to certain.