Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

littlemanpoet · 09-23-2010, 09:35 AM

OK. Sorry for the delay. So do you want me to start writing some stuff for this?

mark12_30 · 10-11-2010, 12:10 PM

I guess I should write Mellondu's parents' dream. Hmmm. Hoom hom.

SHould have waited... not inspired yet. Hmph.

littlemanpoet · 10-11-2010, 05:55 PM

It's a good start. Feels dreamish.

mark12_30 · 02-09-2011, 09:18 AM

I edited it. Marigold gets around.

I think the ansewr to all your questions, lmp, is that everyone is dreaming, to a point. That's why people come and go with such alacrity, are called and summoned and released. And yet-- there is no waking.

What to do with Avarien? Will she fade, and be a "rustic memory" in some glade somewhere? Essentially that is what she is now. Or will she go west?

mark12_30 · 02-09-2011, 09:47 AM

Note to self: previous discussion thread posts which indicate nececssary tidy-up work:

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piosenniel · 02-09-2011, 01:50 PM

Just wanted to let you know that there is now a Gondor Game Index so that you can easily find your old games with the discussion/planning threads listed right next to them.

~*~ Pio

mark12_30 · 02-09-2011, 02:08 PM

Thanks, Pio!

I need alaklondewen... Erebemlin and Taitheneb are't mine to finish! lmp?

mark12_30 · 06-09-2015, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mark12_30

Note to self: previous discussion thread posts which indicate nececssary tidy-up work:

838
863
Don't forget all those Rohirrim
891, 893
895, 897

Looked like good info. More to come.

And I forgot about Nurumaiel's wild Easterling boy.
Aeron and Gwyllion his sister, the ghosts.

littlemanpoet · 06-09-2015, 08:01 PM

Good idea. I was reading through the first page of posts. Much more to go. I'll work on it as I have time.

littlemanpoet · 02-14-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mark12_30

I think the answer to all your questions, lmp, is that everyone is dreaming, to a point. That's why people come and go with such alacrity, are called and summoned and released. And yet-- there is no waking.

I accept this.

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What to do with Avarien? Will she fade, and be a "rustic memory" in some glade somewhere? Essentially that is what she is now. Or will she go west?

She has received redemption ~ to fade seems impossible now...

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And if you want Roy Edwards fully manifested at the Gilraen (you were correct)or at Marigold's house or anywhere else in the tale-- should we end it back at the Seventh Star?) you have my full blessing. The Tapestry of Dreams: all threads fully revealed! Dude, would that be COOL.

Dude?

I'm an art geek, not a dude.

I see Marigold's cottage as the equivalent of Rivendell & the Seventh Star as the equivalent of the Prancing Pony. But if we're going to take that further, then where will Mithrellas, Raefindan, and Indil call home? Surely not the vale? Certainly not Minas Tirith! Hoom hom indeed! Thoughts?

Formendacil · 02-15-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

She has received redemption ~ to fade seems impossible now...

I wonder... *cough* Yes, I'm still following the threads here. Hopefully you'll permit a long-past minor member of the cast to put in his two pence.

Anyway, I wonder from a canonical perspective if redemption equals the impossibility of fading. Something about this notion feels off for me, and since the spirit of Tolkien is the aim of things here, I feel duty-bound to bring it up. If I'm lucky, it might stir the creative spirit a little.

Fading, with the Elves, is their natural course and path, and I think it can be argued that a refusal to fade would be a denial of redemption. This was the sin of Celebrimbor, in making the Rings of Power, and this sin being exploited is what led to Sauron creating the One Ring. It is notable, I think, to note what Galadriel says after she manages to refuse the Ring:

"I pass the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel."
(my paraphrase. Emphasis on "diminish" is also mine)

It seems to me that if Avarien has been redeemed, then she would be able to fade, allowed to fade. To make the analogy with the younger children, she's able to lay down her burden like Aragorn (last of the "real" Númenóreans). Whereas Aragorn, a Man, dies, an Elf would fade.

At least... that's my gut reaction to the matter.

mark12_30 · 02-15-2011, 12:57 PM

Hullo, Formendacil!

Nice to know yo uare reading. And thanks for the inputs about fading. Although-- depending on which sections you read, it's the unwilling elves that remained and faded, the willoing elves having gone west; and I recall that Tolkien was of the opinion (where DID I read that? and do I recall correctly?) that the unwilling, faded elves were not the sorts of spirits you would WANT To seek out and indeed would be better off NOT seeking them, becaues they aren't emnlightened elves and are more likely to be dark elves.

Different than Diminish, I think. Diminish I believe means to pass on the rule of Middle-earth to the hands of men, and move on to Whatever Is Next in the west. In the west, Galadriel would not be queen of one of the major realms, or indeed any realm, as far as I can guess. She would just be herself.

Wanna pick up (and wrap up) a character or two...?

You could even write a postscript for Aragorn to enter into the annals of Gondor... to be buried in their dusty library and forgotten?

mark12_30 · 02-15-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I see Marigold's cottage as the equivalent of Rivendell & the Seventh Star as the equivalent of the Prancing Pony. But if we're going to take that further, then where will Mithrellas, Raefindan, and Indil call home? Surely not the vale? Certainly not Minas Tirith! Hoom hom indeed! Thoughts?

How about Dol Amroth...?

littlemanpoet · 02-15-2011, 06:41 PM

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How about Dol Amroth...?

Hmmm.... not as rulers, but as guests, I suppose....?

My two cents on Formy's welcome post: take it in light of Frodo as an example of what happens to Elves. He was called a most elvish of hobbits, wasn't he? My point is that Gandalf could see his spirit of light shining through his flesh, already in Rivendell before he even takes the Ring! Even more so is the effect on him of having endured that burden for so long so well, that he has become much like the Elves, of whom it is said that their bodily forms fade and their spirits become more visible - at least the Elves of the Light.

So perhaps Avarien's form is/has faded and her spirit, redeemed, is free to fly west....?

10-11-2010, 12:10 PM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I guess I should write Mellondu's parents' dream. Hmmm. Hoom hom. SHould have waited... not inspired yet. Hmph. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 10-11-2010 at 12:18 PM.

02-09-2011, 09:18 AM	#4
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I edited it. Marigold gets around. I think the ansewr to all your questions, lmp, is that everyone is dreaming, to a point. That's why people come and go with such alacrity, are called and summoned and released. And yet-- there is no waking. What to do with Avarien? Will she fade, and be a "rustic memory" in some glade somewhere? Essentially that is what she is now. Or will she go west? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

02-09-2011, 09:47 AM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Note to self: previous discussion thread posts which indicate nececssary tidy-up work: 838 863 Don't forget all those Rohirrim 891, 893 895, 897 __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

02-09-2011, 01:50 PM	#6
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Just wanted to let you know that there is now a Gondor Game Index so that you can easily find your old games with the discussion/planning threads listed right next to them. ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

02-09-2011, 02:08 PM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Thanks, Pio! I need alaklondewen... Erebemlin and Taitheneb are't mine to finish! lmp? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-23-2010, 09:35 AM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	OK. Sorry for the delay. So do you want me to start writing some stuff for this?

10-11-2010, 05:55 PM	#3
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	It's a good start. Feels dreamish.

06-09-2015, 08:01 PM	#9
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Good idea. I was reading through the first page of posts. Much more to go. I'll work on it as I have time.

02-15-2011, 12:57 PM	#12
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Hullo, Formendacil! Nice to know yo uare reading. And thanks for the inputs about fading. Although-- depending on which sections you read, it's the unwilling elves that remained and faded, the willoing elves having gone west; and I recall that Tolkien was of the opinion (where DID I read that? and do I recall correctly?) that the unwilling, faded elves were not the sorts of spirits you would WANT To seek out and indeed would be better off NOT seeking them, becaues they aren't emnlightened elves and are more likely to be dark elves. Different than Diminish, I think. Diminish I believe means to pass on the rule of Middle-earth to the hands of men, and move on to Whatever Is Next in the west. In the west, Galadriel would not be queen of one of the major realms, or indeed any realm, as far as I can guess. She would just be herself. Wanna pick up (and wrap up) a character or two...? You could even write a postscript for Aragorn to enter into the annals of Gondor... to be buried in their dusty library and forgotten? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.