Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Folwren]

I have a couple minutes to post...

I expected to be raked over the coals by all of you, quite honestly. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that you all don't appear to blame me too much for what happened. Thanks.

I was going to tell why I voted the way I did, but I won't unless you all want to hear, because it would take up some of my very little time, and I don't want to do that.

Question: Do we think that the elves thought Nogrod was the seer based only on what Fea put into the narration?

I was not around on Day2, so I don't know what he said that could have been misconstrued as seer hints. I have my suspcions about somebody else being a seer, but I won't say whom I think it is.

Also...when I have time, I would like to look into Shasta. Sally said she distrusted him, but that may have just been because he voted for her. But if there's another reason she didn't trust him, then I'd like to find out. The problem is, I may not have very much time, so if anyone else thinks it worth while to look at him...please do.

And my brief moments are fulfilled, my few words spoken.

-- Folworc

[Folwren]

What about Legate? He's another person I'll look into. It's odd, but I think I distrust both the people who voted me into Rep position yesterday. I obviously distrusted Wilwa, obvious because I killed her, and I know I distrust Legate. I think it's because I feel they shouldn't have voted for me that day because I had declared I was gone, and they did. I think that's odd and not very explanable, unless Legate really didn't see I was gone.

[the phantom]

Okay, I am here now, but I haven't read at all. I'm going to go back and skim through yesterday while I'm eating my lunch, and then post thoughts/responses.

[Celuien]

I'm halfway here and skimming through. All I can say about yesterDay so far is huh?!?

I don't know if I'm going to be able to improve my participation much, unfortuately. Getting here is turning out to be harder than expected.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Suit yourself Legate, but if anybody feels differently they should feel free to vote for me as a Representative.

I am actually still rethinking that and might vote you after all. Depends also on what others say and if there is another one among them whom I might consider. As soon as you come, would you mind to give some brief outline as to what you think about people? Same goes for Folwren, now that she is around.

Originally Posted by Folwren

What about Legate? He's another person I'll look into. It's odd, but I think I distrust both the people who voted me into Rep position yesterday. I obviously distrusted Wilwa, obvious because I killed her, and I know I distrust Legate. I think it's because I feel they shouldn't have voted for me that day because I had declared I was gone, and they did. I think that's odd and not very explanable, unless Legate really didn't see I was gone.

I said it earlier, I didn't know that you are not going to be around. Especially not since you already had one vote; it wouldn't have crossed my mind that somebody who is not going to be around has been even voted for. I am one of the people who usually check the admin thread in case there's something important, but your announcement had been made already a long time ago and was "obsolete" by the time I voted for you, so I didn't check it anew and was not reminded of it.

[A Little Green]

To sum up my thoughts on people:

Leaning innocent:
Foley - Continues to look innocent. While her yesterDay's vote would have been ingenious for an elf, her conduct around that time speaks strongly against there being any kind of controlled plotting and scheming and purposefulness behind her actions.
Legate - Leaning more innocent than not. He is being wishy-washy in the sense an elf would not, if you get what I mean. An elf would be more - composed? Then again, I have a bad feeling that he is totally fooling me.
Lommy - I quite simply can't see her as an elf. I'm almost tempted to say that if she is one she deserves to win.
Phantom - See Lommy (except change the she into he of course).
Shasta - I'm starting to get suspicious of him because of not suspecting him. He has fooled me so brilliantly for so many times that I don't trust him anymore, and yet in this game I can't bring myself to find him elvish. Bleh. He's still getting into this category, as I find myself constantly thinking of him as an innocent Shasta.

Need more data:
Celuien - I need to see more of her before being able to form an opinion one way or another.
Kath - Her long post yesterDay looked really genuine. It's of course easy to look genuine if you post as little as she does.. So again, I need to see more of her.
Mira - Another I would absolutely need to see more of. Somehow I'm inclined to think an elf wouldn't be so inactive, though.

Undecided about:
Nerwen - I couldn't point it out, but there is something in her that doesn't quite sit right with me. Could be just a vague random gut-feeling though. I need to check her if I have time.
Rune - Absolutely no read, he's another I'd need to check. He has indeed been way more agreeable in this game than what I remember him being in previous ones, but then again, it's been a while and people's styles do change. Also, I'm thinking that a part of why he is so mild-tempered and moderate in this game is that he hasn't really needed to aggressively defend himself. Don't know what to make of his continuous desire to become rep, though - just average power-hungry Runne or an elf-Runne?
Steve - I'm really running out of time here, as I'd love to check him too! His behaviour yesterDay seemed somehow almost too neat. A potential elf.
Zil - Way too smooth to my liking. He's certainly among the more active players of this lot, and yet I can't get a read on him. (I have the same problem with him in every single game we play together, though.)

I'm slightly worried about the fact that I have no stronger suspicions - after all it's Day 3 in a game with 48 hour Days.. Also, I have a bad feeling that I'm being fully and completely fooled and our remaining elves are in fact Foley, phantom and Kath or something like that.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom, Cel and Legate. Nice to see people around!

[A Little Green]

Right. As to who I'd like to see as reps toDay. I could go for Lommy, phantom or Shasta because they are the ones I think look most innocent. Or I could go for Kath, Mira, Runne or Zil, because unless I've messed something up none of them have been reps yet and all of them might do with having to actually vote for a lynch. This requires some thought.. And while I'm thinking, I'd like as many people as possible to post their opinions on who are elves and who are not. Would help a lot.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I was going to tell why I voted the way I did, but I won't unless you all want to hear, because it would take up some of my very little time, and I don't want to do that.

I'd like to hear it, when you have time.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Question: Do we think that the elves thought Nogrod was the seer based only on what Fea put into the narration?

Nog did say some things that could have given that impression. Nerwen did a decent analysis of it here.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Also...when I have time, I would like to look into Shasta. Sally said she distrusted him, but that may have just been because he voted for her. But if there's another reason she didn't trust him, then I'd like to find out. The problem is, I may not have very much time, so if anyone else thinks it worth while to look at him...please do.

At the moment, I don't remember what else there might have been. My time is pretty much at a premium also, but I'll try to look at it, especially as DL for picking reps is fast approaching.

Originally Posted by Folwren

What about Legate? He's another person I'll look into. It's odd, but I think I distrust both the people who voted me into Rep position yesterday. I obviously distrusted Wilwa, obvious because I killed her, and I know I distrust Legate. I think it's because I feel they shouldn't have voted for me that day because I had declared I was gone, and they did. I think that's odd and not very explanable, unless Legate really didn't see I was gone.

Since we know Wilwa did the same thing and she was innocent, I can't hold that alone against him too much. It looked rather convenient at the time, though.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Since you say that, who would have been your first choices?



Soliciting votes, are you? What would your platform be?

Well I wasn't around so I would have to base my pics on old data, but I would probably have gone for somebody like Mira. Not inspired choice, at all. more a case of a choosing a person that puzzles me.

I don't think the reasoning for the lynches, I just never got that "elf vibe" from Wilwa and I thought it unlikely that both Sally and Lottie were wolves.

Anyways I am here, I am very tired, but I should stay around until an hour or two before voting deadline. Hopefully I will be productive.

[Kath]

Hey. I'm actually here for voting! I've got about two hours til it's bedtime for me. So I'll read through what's happened toDay, comment and vote fairly close together.

[Kath]

So ... yesterDay. Well that was a tragedy unfortunately! I can see the sense in a double lynch, I'm just not sure I'd have double lynched wilwa and sally, especially as their innocence/guilt seemed tied to each other. That said, most people seemed to be assuming that one or the other would BE evil so whichever had ended up lynched yesterDay, we'd still have been talking about the other toDay. So in that respect it was an effective move.

With regards to what it tells us about Folwren I don't know. I fully believe that her decision was thought through and while she was pressured time-wise she thought very hard about that decision. However, just because she was focused doesn't mean she's not evil.

Nog kill makes sense. Either he was the Seer and the Elves get rid of him or he's not and the Elves have a fairly trailless kill.

Inzil - interesting point about Shasta, but then I think his suspicion of wilwa was increasing with the end of Day events.

Nerwen - I quite like what Nerwen did with the potential Nog dreams ideas. No reason it couldn't be a summary of what the Elves had thought about during the Night but it's still interesting.

Greenie - said she didn't see the points against wilwa. Should check that. Ooh interesting. Elf-phantom could indeed kill Nog to try and exonerate himself. About Rune, I think the bit at the end of that post you found suspicious was joking, it doesn't always come across well in text. Good suspicions post, lots of reasoning.

Lommy - heh, I just repeated pretty much what she said. Yeah phantom probably is more likely to be innocent given sally was. No reason he couldn't be saying 'I always save my fellows' and then cheerfully sending them to the gallows though! A second Day of suspecting Celuien ... when she hadn't been around in a full Day. I'd like to have seen at least a post from Celuien before Lommy brought this up again.

Rune - yeah I agree with him. Folwren doing nothing would have been less useful to analysing the village as a whole than what she did do.

Legate - ... and what he said.

Folwren - yeah she looks pretty good. Not defensive over yesterDay ... but then not overly questioned either. Can see why she'd worry about Legate voting her, but then not everyone checks the admin thread.

Thinking now.

Oh and I should say in warning. I am in uni up til deadline toMorrow. Seriously I WILL NOT be online. Don't make me Rep to make me talk. It won't happen.

[Kath]

So, regarding potential Reps:

Celuien - YES. I'd have her as Rep. I don't find her suspicious and it would be good to give her a chance to show what she'd do with power. Plus it might give Lommy some actual reasoning behind suspecting her.

Foley - NO. I'd have her again in the future. I think she did as good a job as could be expected under the circumstances yesterday. But I don't see the need to have one person two days in a row.

Greenie - NO. I like what I've seen from her so far. She posts well and pertinently. But I'd like to check her over a bit more in depth first, just about her opinions on wilwa the last couple of Days.

Lommy - NO. I didn't like the focus on Celuien despite having nothing from her for a whole Day.

Mira - NO. She turned up and posted lots and seemed involved yesterDay. I'd like her to keep that up. But like me I think she'd be pushed for time if a Rep.

Nerwen - DEPENDS. If phantom is one then no, if not then yes. We'd just get 4 pages of argument again!

phantom - see Nerwen.

Rune - NO. I don't know why. Gut feeling.

Shasta - NO. Good loudmouth to keep people involved. But two days running.

Eonwe - NO. Again when he's there he seems really involved so it's good to keep him in the whole Day. But again I don't see the need to have a person two Days running.

Inzil - YES. Again seems to be posting well.

So Celuien, phantom/Nerwen or Inzil.

If Celuien is ok for time then I'd quite like to vote her. If she's short then I'll probably go with Inzil.

Ok, so I'll be about maybe 45 minutes longer. So post, question or tell me about timing issues in that time! Then I'll vote.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Here's my current thoughts about people (very rough, though):

Celuien - like I said, I hope to read more from her now that she is here. I don't want to forget her just because she hasn't been posting for a while.
Foley - like I said, inclined to think innocent, and would like to hear her opinions on people (which is what I hoped for also yesterDay already).
Greenie - I had generally good feeling about her, although now that sally's been proven innocent, one could start wondering about her constant case against her. I think it might do me good to re-read her posts sometime.
Kath - I would like to read more from her too. I have very little idea about her.
Lommy - spoke about her before, I still think her probably innocent
Mira - hmmm??? Need to read more from her than just short posts and lists of others' quotes.
Nerwen - I spoke about her also before, I am sort of being made uncertain, aside from Rune, she might be another person to consider my vote for
Phantom - after sally's death, lots of "conspiracy theories" get clearer shape or can be straightaway dismissed. However, I still think (or maybe: especially now I think) that him being a fellow of Lottie is not proven entirely impossible. But he remains the same phantom for me: considering all he's been doing, in some ways curious but not really wolf-y, and with some things seeming more innocent. I want to see him post, though (!!! would have never believed that I'm going to say that), might be that just I started to miss my daily dose of phantomisms...
Rune - questions, questions, questions. See above and all around, actually right now I am not thinking of anything but him (hope you're happy, Rune )
Shasta - still not any particular opinion about him, at least he does not stand out in any way, but neither as SoE nor as innocent.
Steve - from the initial trust I am starting to think of him more like of a person who might be slipping under the radars, which begins to worry me slightly. I don't have any reasons to suspect him, but he sort of stays out of the harm's way.
Zil - he is sort of inquisitive, a bit Boro-like, which now makes me think him more innocentish.

I don't want to stay up too late toDay, so I will probably vote rather early. I hope to see as many posts as I can up to then.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Legate

I want to see him post, though (!!! would have never believed that I'm going to say that), might be that just I started to miss my daily dose of phantomisms...

Ha ha!

I'm working on it. I just started pg 13, so I have (checks) 56 posts left to go before I can comment on yesterday, the lynches, and the night-kill.

After that I'll take a look at today.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Kath

About Rune, I think the bit at the end of that post you found suspicious was joking, it doesn't always come across well in text.

Oh, I'm quite sure he wasn't being 100 % serious, but be it a joke or serious concern the tone of it was slightly eyebrow-raising while the rest of the post was not.

Hmm. It's getting late so I should vote and be off to bed.. Still not sure who I want as my rep toDay though. Not Kath, apparently, if she won't be around - a pity since I'm liking her more with everything she posts.


EDIT: x-ed with another Kath! Yay!

[A Little Green]

I'm debating right now between phantom, Lommy, Rune and Zil. I'm not sure if I should play it safe and vote someone I believe is innocent (the first two) or vote someone I have a hard time reading in hopes of improving the situation (the latter two). Still, even innocents can make the wrong choice.. Argh. I'll still hang around for some fifteen minutes maybe (unless something drastic happens) before deciding.