Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-19-2010, 02:23 PM

Also, all this suspicion of Wilwa has the feel of a bandwagon to it. Especially after Phantom hopped on (I was going to say Sally as well but I think she's actually been suspecting the Muffin most of the day). I probably won't be voting her today. Ideally I'd like to lynch Sally, but I don't think Legate and Nogrod are going to go for it, and to beat their five (should they choose to vote together), Eonwe, Folwren, and myself would all have to vote the same way. I think Eonwe was in the "Lottie being an elf makes Sally look better" camp, and it's looking like Folwren may not be here to vote at all, so... Hm. I need to think.

Nogrod · 09-19-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Also, all this suspicion of Wilwa has the feel of a bandwagon to it. Especially after Phantom hopped on (I was going to say Sally as well but I think she's actually been suspecting the Muffin most of the day).

I do agree with this bandwagoning feeling and I don't like it... But still to me she looks like the best option toDay. And I'm not going to shy away from reasonable odds of getting an elf lynched only because some others agree. Look at my post #469 as I came back online after reading D1 at home. And read it concerning Wilwa. Also, before assessing tp as "just hopping on a bandwagon", please read what he says about Wilwa's voting. It makes a lot of sense (well of course as I had reached the same conclusion myself

).

So rather than say: x is bandwagoning, please tell me where the stated suspicion goes wrong. If we who think her suspicious are missing an important point, then please share it so that we don't lynch an innocent.

X'd with tp

wilwarin538 · 09-19-2010, 02:50 PM

So I have a Glirdanpie visiting me at the moment, but he'll be returning to his secret lair shortly. Once I get back I will be able to contribute more for the rest of the day.

Nogrod · 09-19-2010, 02:53 PM

Btw. Shasta - and ayone not thinking about this before, how about you really considered this...

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Originally Posted by the rules

Beginning on Night Three, the orc of unknown allegiance will receive intelligence based on xis decision of allegiance (which xe will make via PM on Day Two). If this tricksy orc chooses to ally xerself with the Sons of Elrond, xe will learn the identity of one Son of Elrond per Night until each Son is revealed. The Sons of Elrond will be notified that this orc is now playing for their side, but they will not be given the player's identity. If this orc chooses to ally xerself with the village, xe will receive the names of the players the seer has dreamt of, but not their roles. The seer will be notified that this orc is now playing for their side, but they will not be given the player's identity. The orc of unknown allegiance appears as as such to the seer, should xe be dreamt of. If the seer dreams of xim before xe chooses sides, the seer will be updated as to xer side once xe has chosen. The orc of unknown allegiance MUST choose a side on Day Two and may not remain neutral.

You all know the choice has been made toDay...

Nogrod · 09-19-2010, 03:10 PM

++ Wilwa ++

Mainly because of what I said in #469.

In short:

Her actions as a decent orc do not make a lot of sense (she said she would prefer lynching Lottie but ended up sharing the votes between Lottie & Sally) - and she sneaked away leaving the stage for the others - possibly elves (an orc W wouldn't have known who Izzy & tp were) - to act on at such a crucial moment of a threeway tie (and only 25 minutes to the DL).

If she is an elf her actions make a lot of sense: tactical vote-choice in a desperate situation: she couldn't vote for Boro without looking very suspicious, just trying to save Lottie might backfire as tp would save Sally if he could, and actually just voting Lottie would mean killing a mate. Also skipping away from the last minutes looks like elvish to me, meaning she didn't want to be forced to make the final choice. Just look above how tough the situation would have been.

Nogrod · 09-19-2010, 03:18 PM

No one around, so time to home and bed then.

All the sense and sensibility to you reps!

satansaloser2005 · 09-19-2010, 03:19 PM

*pops in*

Headache and internet troubles (one seemingly a side effect yet from earlier this week, the other just hateful routers) so I'm going to be gone for a bit. I'm hoping to be back, but certainly don't depend on it, as I can't promise my return.

*pops out*

P.S. Nog, go to bed! <3

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-19-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

(1) I'm not sure I entirely understand the Rep vote of Legate today. From beginning to end of this day he generally seems to believe I am an Orc, and yet he handed his vote to Foley who has attacked no one other than me this game. Not to mention that she didn't put in an appearance yesterday and said she would barely be around today, and so really, how much time does that give her to catch up on reading and change her opinions?

I am not trying to be insulting and say that Foley is predictable and a tool to be used (she seems quite independent), but in this specific situation where she was so very very against me yesterday and will have little time to change her views today, I can't help but suspect she's being taken advantage of here. And then when she votes me (if I'm lynched) Legate can act all sad and justified, "See, I was right, he was innocent, and I didn't vote for him," and pretend that he had nothing to do with killing me.

I voted Foley simply because I think her very innocent, one of the most, and also hoped to learn more about her thoughts of people, because I assumed that when she would be among the Reps, she would be interacting with them and with the votes they cast or wish to cast. I would have liked to learn her opinions that way too. I wanted to make her a Rep already yesterday for the same reasons. I didn't know that she is not going to be around toDay, I would have chosen differently.

Aside from that, you are getting rather paranoid (the second paraghraph). If I wanted to lynch you, I could have done so by myself anyway.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

My general temper or my overtired temper at 3am to 6am?

Not that, actually, I didn't mean your personal temper

but, well, I don't know what is the word for it in English. Basically the mood of behavior in which you are during the game.

Now... I have re-read the posts of Cel, Rune, Inzil and Wilwa and after considering them, I am thinking of letting Rune be for toDay, also because it anyway does not seem that he would be getting any lynch-support. Now looking at his posts with a bit of distance, what concerns me the most is that he actually does not seem to be too conflict-y, not meddling himself much into the affairs, rather dipping his fingers and staying sort of back, or that's the feeling I get. But I actually became even more interested in seeing him actually vote sometime (depending what the situation is, though, and if he does not make me suspect him more). I do not agree with him on many things, but that is not a problem. I just have a few questionmarks hovering over his motives. That is actually the bigger problem in Celuien's case. She has indeed said very little this far, but still even with her few posts, and mainly her votes, she remains a suspect to me. Then again, she really has not showed this far, in which case I would prefer her to at least respond or something. Inzil is enigmatic, he actually seems rather commited, e.g. his change in suspicion of wilwa after her votes looks genuine, but at points the subjects he focuses on are more questionable. Lastly, wilwa has said some things I would echo, but again some which make me uneasy or asking about her motives, and last of all her votes with the bit of alibistic tone. We'd know a lot more about her if we knew sally's role, but then, guess that will have to wait (and I am not for lynching sally just in order to learn more, although her death would surely be enlightening).

Shall be around for a while yet. This will be a difficult voting in the end, actually.

EDIT: x-ed with Nog, his vote and sally

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-19-2010, 04:30 PM

All right, I have been wondering for a while whether there is a chance to use the advantage of three votes so that it would reflect my order of suspicion, but at the same time leave it possible for others to vote still too. I could not think of anything especially bright, though. I am thinking about voting for Cel, even though I don't like the fact that she is not around to respond - then again, who knows if she will be and if I think of all the quiet Wolves, my heart really tells me to vote for her. I wouldn't mind wilwa either, if it came to that, and if somebody else wants to lynch her, they still can do it, even after I cast all my votes for Cel. I think Shasta wanted to go with sally, which is an idea I am not so fond of - and here I think the limits my votes set would express my opinion pretty well: he could not lynch her alone, he'd need at least somebody else to beat my votes for that.

Okay, so yes, this is what I am going to do - vote for Celuien.

++all three votes for Celuien+++

Good Night, Cave, and let's hope for the best.

wilwarin538 · 09-19-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

general tone of breathless gaiety is reminiscent of her wolf-style

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Originally Posted by Kath

wilwa - is playing a little ... 'gleefully' is my word for it which can mark wolvishness.

Where are you getting this from? I feel like I've been rather grumpy this game, and snarky and maybe a bit annoyed, that's certainly closer to how I feel.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

See what I mean? She's an evil, evil muffin and needs to be eaten....erm, lynched.

Cupcakes taste better. *noms*

But seriously, I would much prefer it if you lynched Sally. I believe lots of people have said that my role will be more obvious if you knew her's, so go for her. People have only wanted to lynch me for toDay, but Sally has been a possible lynch choice both Days. If you lynch me toDay then you'll just return to Sally tomorrow, which will result in you spending 3 Days talking about lynching her. So just get it over with now, it seems innevitable anyway, and if her role will shed some sort of light on me, might as well let me live one more Day just to see. Right?

Anyway. I would also approve of a Mira lynch, since she hasn't been around much anyway, I'd hate to see an Elf get far by just staying under the radar. But not Celuien, I think she's innocent.

x'ed with Legate and Steve

Eönwë · 09-19-2010, 04:55 PM

Having just read Nerwen's Wilwa post and looked at the voting, I have to say that it's unlikely that my top two suspects are both Elves together. Wilwa's vote put both Lottie and Sally in first place, and though it would make her look really innocent if they both turn out to be Elves, I don't think they would have wanted us to find out that they were both Elves (i.e., by getting them lynched). So basically, unless Wilwa was playing extremely riskily, she and Sally probably aren't Elves together.

Which means that one of my choices probably isn't an Elf. And right now, I think that's more likely to be Sally.

So if nothing really happens soon my votes will probably be for Wilwa.

09-19-2010, 02:23 PM	#1
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Also, all this suspicion of Wilwa has the feel of a bandwagon to it. Especially after Phantom hopped on (I was going to say Sally as well but I think she's actually been suspecting the Muffin most of the day). I probably won't be voting her today. Ideally I'd like to lynch Sally, but I don't think Legate and Nogrod are going to go for it, and to beat their five (should they choose to vote together), Eonwe, Folwren, and myself would all have to vote the same way. I think Eonwe was in the "Lottie being an elf makes Sally look better" camp, and it's looking like Folwren may not be here to vote at all, so... Hm. I need to think. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

09-19-2010, 02:50 PM	#3
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	So I have a Glirdanpie visiting me at the moment, but he'll be returning to his secret lair shortly. Once I get back I will be able to contribute more for the rest of the day. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

09-19-2010, 03:10 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	++ Wilwa ++ Mainly because of what I said in #469. In short: Her actions as a decent orc do not make a lot of sense (she said she would prefer lynching Lottie but ended up sharing the votes between Lottie & Sally) - and she sneaked away leaving the stage for the others - possibly elves (an orc W wouldn't have known who Izzy & tp were) - to act on at such a crucial moment of a threeway tie (and only 25 minutes to the DL). If she is an elf her actions make a lot of sense: tactical vote-choice in a desperate situation: she couldn't vote for Boro without looking very suspicious, just trying to save Lottie might backfire as tp would save Sally if he could, and actually just voting Lottie would mean killing a mate. Also skipping away from the last minutes looks like elvish to me, meaning she didn't want to be forced to make the final choice. Just look above how tough the situation would have been. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-19-2010, 03:18 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	No one around, so time to home and bed then. All the sense and sensibility to you reps! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

09-19-2010, 03:19 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	pops in Headache and internet troubles (one seemingly a side effect yet from earlier this week, the other just hateful routers) so I'm going to be gone for a bit. I'm hoping to be back, but certainly don't depend on it, as I can't promise my return. pops out P.S. Nog, go to bed! <3 __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

09-19-2010, 04:30 PM	#9
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	All right, I have been wondering for a while whether there is a chance to use the advantage of three votes so that it would reflect my order of suspicion, but at the same time leave it possible for others to vote still too. I could not think of anything especially bright, though. I am thinking about voting for Cel, even though I don't like the fact that she is not around to respond - then again, who knows if she will be and if I think of all the quiet Wolves, my heart really tells me to vote for her. I wouldn't mind wilwa either, if it came to that, and if somebody else wants to lynch her, they still can do it, even after I cast all my votes for Cel. I think Shasta wanted to go with sally, which is an idea I am not so fond of - and here I think the limits my votes set would express my opinion pretty well: he could not lynch her alone, he'd need at least somebody else to beat my votes for that. Okay, so yes, this is what I am going to do - vote for Celuien. ++all three votes for Celuien+++ Good Night, Cave, and let's hope for the best. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

09-19-2010, 04:55 PM	#11
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Having just read Nerwen's Wilwa post and looked at the voting, I have to say that it's unlikely that my top two suspects are both Elves together. Wilwa's vote put both Lottie and Sally in first place, and though it would make her look really innocent if they both turn out to be Elves, I don't think they would have wanted us to find out that they were both Elves (i.e., by getting them lynched). So basically, unless Wilwa was playing extremely riskily, she and Sally probably aren't Elves together. Which means that one of my choices probably isn't an Elf. And right now, I think that's more likely to be Sally. So if nothing really happens soon my votes will probably be for Wilwa. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place