WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I didn't feel as if I was being very suspicious, but everyone seemed to see through me. I've been wondering if I was being careless, as I was very busy in RL during this game but still tried to play as much as possible. Unfortunately, I come across as suspicious in every game so it's not easy!

I didn't really suspect you the first few days, well less so than others in any case, and I think you did well. It was only my last Day alive I became convinced of your (and Pitch's) guilt, but that was by methods of elimination more than you doing something particularly wolfish.

Really a tremendous Seer performance, man.

Thanks, mate!

Yeah, this was no village a wolf could have much hope in, despite the always entertaining efforts of our esteemed cobbler.

Yeah Agan was great. Bet she would have loved to bring victory to the wolves as a cobbler after being told that the cobbler isn't so important and how we shouldn't focus on her. And that came pretty close to happening for a while. And did no-one but me notice how Agan constantly referred to the cobbler as she?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by skip spence

I didn't really suspect you the first few days, well less so than others in any case, and I think you did well. It was only my last Day alive I became convinced of your (and Pitch's) guilt, but that was by methods of elimination more than you doing something particularly wolfish.

Thanks, mate!

Yeah Agan was great. Bet she would have loved to bring victory to the wolves as a cobbler after being told that the cobbler isn't so important and how we shouldn't focus on her. And that came pretty close to happening for a while. And did no-one but me notice how Agan constantly referred to the cobbler as she?

Agan always does that.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Hi Loslote. Brain's not really functioning - can you remind me what this was about?

Where you pointed out my "Gifted hints" and tried to frame me as a wolf about to fake a seer reveal. It was very clever, and actually could have been done by an innocent.

Originally Posted by skip spence

And did no-one but me notice how Agan constantly referred to the cobbler as she?

I did, but decided the cobbler wouldn't have been so bold. Plus, Agan is always weird when it comes to cobblers.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Unfortunately, no-one bought it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I didn't feel as if I was being very suspicious, but everyone seemed to see through me.

You were just being your normal self.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

(If anybody's interested, I've saved all our PMs and can post them some time.)

Yes!

I had a feeling from rather early on that you weren't going to be a threat to us

I'm usually not much of a threat to the wolves, regardless of my role. I have a cobbler instinct.

I loved your concept and narrations (once I got over being forced to work for Peter Jackson!), and I'm looking forward to your next one.

Me too, my first thought when I saw my role was "But but but does this mean I'm on Peter Jackson's side?"

And Shasta, don't take it too hard and be a graceful winner! Someone has to be the first kill

It's just that when he started playing, he was the first kill for... like a year.

Originally Posted by Folwren

I don't know the protocol for non-players posting after a game, but I'd like to say that that game was awesome.

I don't think anybody minds it - on the contrary, it's nice to know people are interested in our misfortunes.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Bet she would have loved to bring victory to the wolves as a cobbler after being told that the cobbler isn't so important and how we shouldn't focus on her.

Of course, but it would have been even better to get the seer lynched.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I did, but decided the cobbler wouldn't have been so bold. Plus, Agan is always weird when it comes to cobblers.

Hey I also referred to the seer as she! But it doesn't really matter if the cobbler is bold or not - if you had been convinced it was me, you would've had two options: to let me live and potentially aid the wolves, or waste a lynch on me. It's a win-win for the cobbler.

[Pitchwife]

Behind the Scenes... Night One

Originally Posted by TEW

Re: Wolvery

Hello, lycanthropes. This is my first time being a wolf. Most of the times I play, I get lynched, although recently I was eaten at night. I have doubts about how well I will fare in this game. I welcome your all's advice. Predatoriously yours,

The Elf-warrior

Originally Posted by Pitch

Re: Wolvery
Hail (or rather howl) packmates!

Pleased to be teamed up with you, as I haven't played that much with either of you - so I'm looking forward to the experience, and I think we'll make a nice pack.

This is my third game as a wolf; got seer-dreamed and lynched in the first, survived and won the second (IIRC Eomer was an innocent in one and TEW in the other). We'll see how this one turns out.

Since you're asking for advice, TEWie - what tends to work best for me is controlled schizophrenia, i.e. trying to fool myself into believing I'm an ordo and acting accordingly during the Day as much as I can. Not that I always succeed in this, of course.

Also, some wolf-on-wolf is OK as long as you can do it convincingly, i.e. without using contrived arguments and looking like you know more about your packmates than you're supposed to as an innocent.

Finally, if I get into trouble, I don't expect you to climb out on a limb to save me; keep your paws clean and see to your own survival. We wolves should be comfortable with natural selection, shouldn't we?

That's my two farthings' worth on the matter of wolvery, anyway; but I'm sure Eomer has more experience in the tricks of the trade, if not as recent.

We're expecting guests for supper tonight, and I've got some cooking to do, so I won't be around much in the next couple of hours, but I'll try to pop in again later in the evening, if you'd like to discuss anything further.

Lupine greetings,
Pitchwolf

Originally Posted by Eomer

wolving is fun
Hi packmates,
Good advice, Pitch. To this, for Elf-Warrior, I would also add, simply, have fun! Being a wolf is great! You get to eat tons of fresh flesh.
Just try to assess each other as objectively as possible, and chances are that one of us at least will go far.
Good luck!
Eomer.

Originally Posted by TEW

Re: Wolvery
Thanks for the advice, Pitchwife and Eomer. I'm gonna leave for work in a few hours, but I'll be back not that long after Day 1 starts. Best of wolfing,
The Elf-warrior

Originally Posted by Pitch

Re: wolving is fun

...unless you prey on weightwatchers.
But yeah, you'll love it, TEW; it's a way of life.

See you both toMorrow (a little past Noonish, when I come home from work). Till then, good luck!

Pitchwolf

[Pitchwife]

Behind the Scenes... Night Two

Originally Posted by Eomer

First kill
Hi Pitch,
Well, I think we've made a very unlucky start! Elf is gone and you are suspected. The only reason I'm not suspected is because I could hardly play all day.
Ok, it's going to go better from now on.
Are you also worried that Sally is the seer?
I have a feeling about Wilwarin too - think she might have a special role.
Let me know your thoughts.
Eomer

Originally Posted by Pitch

And then there were two...
Hi,
just skimmed through the thread and found our TEWie fenrissed. This could have gone a lot better...
I hope I'll be able to talk myself out of suspicion for Feawagoning toMorrow. It was an easy vote, of course, but I couldn't really come up with anything better. (I didn't mean to bandwagon, btw - had intended to vote her all along and wasn't exactly happy when Greenie went ahead and took the vote right out of my keyboard.) Anyway, Shasta and sally will probably come after me a bit, but otherwise it doesn't look too bad.
You should be allright, I think, with having to vote early when there was little to go on.
I'm going to reread the thread later and try to make up my mind who should be our dinner toNight. At the moment, I'm mainly wondering what to do about Agan, who had both of us on her short list - then again, there's a chance she'll go on one of her famous witch-hunts sooner or later and create some useful diversion (as long as she doesn't pick one of us, of course). And I'd rather not kill her this early in our first game together.
Have you sensed any gifted vibes from anybody yet? And what about our trusted cobbler? (Ironically, I thought about hinting to xem myself, but couldn't find a way to do it unconspicuously enough...) Let's see if I can find anything.
Till later,
Pitchwolf

Originally Posted by Pitch

Re: First kill
Hi again,
didn't see your message before sending mine (was a bit distracted by having the plumber in the house).

Yeah, it's been a somewhat suboptimal outcome, but let's not panic. At least I've managed to fool Lottie, who can be a fearful wolf-spotter at times. And I appreciated Boro's defense, of course. Do you think he could perhaps be our cobbler?

I suppose you mean her #58 with her talk about 'sorting out what she is' and 'pinning the entire wolf-pack'? Now you mention it, I see the possibility. There's also that 'genius we can trust' stuff from early in the Day. Could be a candidate for dinner.

Bah, I totally overlooked her vote for me in my quick read-through! Do you mean 'special' as in gifted? I don't think Zil mentioned anything about secret roles in this game, did he?

I will, once I've sorted them.

Pitchwolf

Originally Posted by Eomer

who to eat...
Hi Pitch,

I had that thought about Boro as well (that he might be the cobbler) but it's probably just due to our knowledge of your wolvery - any support is going to look potentially cobblerish.

My worry about Sally is purely because she latched onto you so quickly. Of course it could be just luck on her part; but she's certainly a seer-candidate.

I hesitate to kill her now because I think it points to your guilt. However, judging by her list (and my non-participation yesterday) I really doubt she'd dream of me. So I propose we leave her tonight; let's see if she continues her suspicion of you tomorrow. If she calls off the attack then she's almost certainly not the seer.

I thought Wilwa could be the seer or ranger, however this is only a hunch I get from reading her posts. Not based on anything more.

So: kill candidates. Let's see. Aganzir, Greenie, and Fea are all combustible elements who can fight with each other. Let's leave them.

I think Shasta might be a good idea to lynch: he suspects you and always, always suspects me - seriously: in every single game we've played together.

I'll have another think, and want to hear your thoughts, but I'm leaning towards brutally slaughtering Shasta tonight.

We have about 2 hours to get a name in to Inziladun. I await your thoughts.

Eomer.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Suggestions for dinner
Hi,

I went through the thread again en detail and am rather confused now. There is something to your sally=Seer idea, I must admit - she's more or less the only one who's been looking (indeed almost making an effort to look) noticeably seerish.
Which is precisely what makes me doubt that it's her. She's rather fond of cunning plans, and it would be totally like her to drop fake seer-hints and set herself up as a decoy.
Now I just had a crazy idea. Remember that little exchange between sally and Lottie early in the Day? "we need a genius" - "I get the hint"? Could that possibly have meant "I need someone to act as seer to give me cover" - "all right, I'll do it"? Or am I imagining things?
Problem with that is, how could they have known to trust each other? Only if seer-Lottie had dreamed ranger-sally N1 so they'd gotten to PM, it seems (which isn't good for us but not too bad either, since it means we haven't been dreamed yet). But then again, it wouldn't make sense for the ranger to attract our attention and get killed, depriving the seer of protection.
*noise of Pitchie's brilliant little theory collapsing*

I've also an inexplicable hunch that there's something going on between sally, Shasta and wilwa (meaning either sally-Shasta or sally-wilwa) - don't know if it's just me reacting to their suspicion, but I'm a little scared of an early seer-ranger conspiracy against us. On the other hand, sally's also been suspicious of the other two, so maybe not.

If sally's not the seer, I haven't really got an idea who could be. Probably someone I'm not thinking of. And I'm afraid I haven't found out much about the rest of the world (other than that they're all innocent and juicy). What about you?

So, should we eat sally and find out whether she tastes seerish? Or do we go for the classical no-trail kill - e.g. someone like skip? Or something completely different?
Speaking of the kill, which of us should send it in? I can do it, if we reach a decision soonish, but it's bedtime for me in about an hour (~2200 GMT or at least not much later).

What do you say?

Pitchwolf

P.S. Just read your last and agree about sally (see above) and keeping the 'combustible elements'. And I'd be not at all averse to having some Shasta; rare, please!

Originally Posted by Eomer

Shasta?
Pitch,

I would rather kill Shasta now, not Sally. Because I do have an objection to a Sally-kill, I will let
Inziladun know we choose Shasta. If you suddenly think of an objection then you are free to let Inzi know.

I will PM Inzi now as it's past bedtime!

Hope it's a wise choice!

Happy hunting,

Eomer.

Originally Posted by Eomer

more...
And I know what you mean about Sally-Wilwa-Loslote. I've a funny feeling about that corner of the village.

Keep your eyes peeled and play smart! But more importantly: play lucky.

Eomer.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Re: Shasta? and more...

No objections, I'm fine with that.
All the best for toMorrow! May the Lord Melkor smile on us!
Pitch

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Agan

It's just that when he started playing, he was the first kill for... like a year.

Ah, I had no idea! In this case, Shasta, sorry for prodding that old sore. I hope it's a consolation that your psychic powers still worked perfectly to spot me on Day One...