WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Loslote]

Well, it's Pitchie, of course. After Agan turned out to be the cobbler, I can't see any possible reason why it wouldn't be - and don't say because Sally's ebil. She very clearly is not, and I am not, either.

Sorry, Pitchie, but death approcheth, waving its arms and yelling boo.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Well, it's Pitchie, of course. After Agan turned out to be the cobbler, I can't see any possible reason why it wouldn't be - and don't say because Sally's ebil. She very clearly is not, and I am not, either.

Sorry, Pitchie, but death approcheth, waving its arms and yelling boo.

And if you are, I'll kill you. I'm just sayin'.



We could at least let him come out and play though. *pets him* One last hurrah, if you will.

[Pitchwife]

Shall we go through the motions, then?

All right. With Agan revealed as the cobbler by death, it's obvious that my theory about you two as a cobbler-wolf duo was wrong and one of you must be an innocent who has been cunningly buttered up and manipulated by the wolf.
Looking at it from this angle, I'm forced to reconsider my suspicion of sally yesterDay. It's not conclusive at this point, but Lottie looks more like the manipulator than the manipulated from the way she's pushed sally's innocence.

[satansaloser2005]

Actually....


You know, at a time like this, a body has to ask herself certain questions. Namely, why wasn't I killed last Night? I mean sure, I'm not going to complain, but I'm basically a known innocent here. There is no reason for the wolf to keep me around....unless they thought I'd be useful to them. Pitchie certainly doesn't want to keep me around. He knows I'd kill him in a heart(s)beat. If Nerwen was alive, I could see her keeping me around to make an ally against Pitch, and the same is true for Lottie. So....where does that leave me exactly? Nowhere, except to say that I'm very confused as to why Pitch would kill Nerwen (who seemed a lot less certain of his guilt and in fact swayed the lynch away from him yesterDay) rather than me. It just doesn't make sense, unless he knew he was screwed and is just being a gentleman and letting me keep my streak intact. Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

I'm just sayin'. This is an interesting conundrum I've got going on here.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm basically a known innocent here.

But are you really? Lottie has gone to some lengths to make you look like one, but unless I'm too dumb to get it most of this was based on the argument that skip didn't suspect you on Day 4 and therefore wouldn't have dreamed you the Night he died - which is at best circumstantial evidence, not a proof. Short of skip rising from the grave and telling us who he dreamed, there is no such thing as a known innocent at this point; and it was precisely her insistence on this matter that made me think of her as the cobbler to your wolf.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

And vice versa. So which of you is it?

If it's Lottie, she's played an incredibly daring game by getting her two packmates lynched... but so far it's worked, hasn't it? The same for your pursuit of Eomer, with the difference that you only started it after Lottie had already suspected him for a while; and you didn't vote TEW.

Agan's vote for you yesterDay seems to speak for you, she'd hardly have attacked and voted the wolf at this time... except that with her own lynch guaranteed at the time she voted, it could be an attempt to make you look better. But she didn't know how the Day would end when she started to suspect you, so not that likely.

[satansaloser2005]

Skip stated at one point that the last wolf had to be either you (Pitch), Agan, or Lottie. That's pretty clear to me.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Skip stated at one point that the last wolf had to be either you (Pitch), Agan, or Lottie. That's pretty clear to me.

Question is, was this based on his dreams or his reasoning? In the latter, the seer is just as fallible as everybody else.
But you're right, I'd totally overlooked that. If he was right in this, it would simplify things a great deal for me, since we know that Agan was the cobbler - and I know I'm not the wolf.

Originally Posted by sally

I think the polite thing to do would be to just confess. I'll kill you anyway.

Now this really makes me trust in your innocence.

Originally Posted by Lottie

...yes. She is. She knows she's innocent. You know she's innocent by default (you know she's not a wolf). I know she's innocent. She's a known innocent, you just won't admit it.

No, I don't know that. And how can you know it (as in know, not 'believe' or 'be convinced') if you're an ordo? You realize I can turn this around?
Besides, every innocent knows they're innocent themselves, and every wolf knows who's innocent. By your logic, there would be no unknown innocents.

EDIT: x-ed with 1 Lottie and 1 sally

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

And vice versa. So which of you is it?

Indeed. I think the polite thing to do would be to just confess. I'll kill you anyway.

[Loslote]

I'm back, and I'm sorry for being so late - sleeping in, unexpected trip shoe shopping that I could hardly pass up, unexpected driving lesson that I would have liked to pass up but couldn't, and I actually put off finishing a couple of papers until after DL. This was, oddly enough, the earliest I could get on.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You know, at a time like this, a body has to ask herself certain questions. Namely, why wasn't I killed last Night? I mean sure, I'm not going to complain, but I'm basically a known innocent here. There is no reason for the wolf to keep me around....unless they thought I'd be useful to them. Pitchie certainly doesn't want to keep me around. He knows I'd kill him in a heart(s)beat. If Nerwen was alive, I could see her keeping me around to make an ally against Pitch, and the same is true for Lottie. So....where does that leave me exactly? Nowhere, except to say that I'm very confused as to why Pitch would kill Nerwen (who seemed a lot less certain of his guilt and in fact swayed the lynch away from him yesterDay) rather than me. It just doesn't make sense, unless he knew he was screwed and is just being a gentleman and letting me keep my streak intact. Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

I'm just sayin'. This is an interesting conundrum I've got going on here.

Nerwen specifically stated that she thought the wolf/cobbler was either Pitchie and Agan, or Sally and me. Having been proved right about Agan, she would have had no qualms about going for Pitchie, and there was no way to frame her - nearly everyone agreed she'd probably been dreamed innocent. But you didn't - and still don't - trust me nearly as much. You voting for me is Pitchie's only chance. Nerwen would have voted for Pitchie. I will vote for Pitchie. You would not have voted for Nerwen, but there is some possibility of you voting me. Don't.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

But are you really?

...yes. She is. She knows she's innocent. You know she's innocent by default (you know she's not a wolf). I know she's innocent. She's a known innocent, you just won't admit it.

If it's Lottie, she's played an incredibly daring game by getting her two packmates lynched...

As it happens, this is not an argument against my being a wolf. When I was a wolf, I gleefully (well, pretend gleefully) threw my packmates under the bus on Days 2, 3, and 4. As a Cursed Cobbler, I did quite a bit of heavy wolf-on-wolfing with my future packmate. This is just about your only point against me - that I killed wolves - and, sadly, it's almost a good point.

EDIT: xed with a couple of Sallys

[satansaloser2005]

This is heavy. o_O