WW LXXX: It's About Time! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

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No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

I don't know about you but I'm killing baddies, regardless of their exact role.

Now that you're here, sally, would you care to tell me why you thought either Eomer or Greenie had to be a wolf?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:32 PM

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him.

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Nerwen · 08-30-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:01 PM

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.

*snuggles her Shastasicle*

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

And tomorrow the seer will have had another dream (assuming the wolves don't kill them). I'm not risking losing the game now - even though I don't have a strong opinion on who's a wolf, I'm rather positive lynching skip can't do us much harm.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me.

Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops.

ETA: I should point out, however, that it wasn't really all his fault. The pack had super bad luck anyway.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler.

It's my plan plan because I'm like 85% sure he's the cobbler while I'm, let's say 55% sure you're a wolf. I much rather vote for my 85% baddie than the 55% one. The lynches have been extremely non-informative to me thus far given that the first was a bandwagon for a quiet wolf and the last two who were lynched were people I considered innocent. So I've never had a real need to review my suspicions, if you know what I mean.

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If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?

As I said I'm not half as sure of your guilt as I'm of skip's... And the way you defend yourself gives me second thoughts because I'm not sure a wolf would try to save the cobbler at her own expense.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops.

Ah okay. When I was the cobbler, I basically killed three out of the five wolves. Way to go.

edit: xed with skip. I'll be here.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 05:22 PM

Oh and I actually think we should avoid a last minute voting rush because that way it's easier for the wolves to steer the lynch (assuming they're around).

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh okay. When I was the cobbler, I basically killed three out of the five wolves. Way to go.

Also, if a cobbler dies at Night, always lynch Boro. *waves* Hi, honey.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 06:46 PM

My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies.

Loslote · 08-30-2010, 06:47 PM

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My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies.

This expains the complete 180.

And yeah, clearly that's what I'm thinking, too, as I know I'm innocent.

EDIT: xed with Skip, Nerwen, and Agan.

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler. Either way, bad.

Also, this....

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Originally Posted by Agan

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

EVERYONE is a blind guess at wolfdom, in a way. And regardless of her suspecting innocent me, she clearly is saying here that she suspects me of being a wolf. If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?

I'm not saying that wanting to lynch the cobbler is evil, but when Agan doesn't even seem to be trying to come up with better candidates, it looks like a copout.

Oh, and are we again forgetting that Agan chose to vote me out of myself and Elf? I still think that's pretty suspicious, thanks very much.

EDIT: x'd with Agan

skip spence · 08-30-2010, 05:11 PM

Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie...

A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch?

satansaloser2005 · 08-30-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

Aganzir · 08-30-2010, 04:44 PM

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And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.

Because I have found somebody who I'm pretty sure is the cobbler while I haven't found anyone whose wolfishness I feel sure enough about.

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As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc.

That doesn't really tell me much...

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Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory.

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

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We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Or the cobbler. Tell me who's a wolf and I might vote for them, but as long as I don't have a strong suspect, skip is my first choice.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

Is that so unheard of?

08-30-2010, 04:32 PM	#2
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point. As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him. Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:01 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me. snuggles her Shastasicle** EDIT: x'd with Nerwen __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:22 PM	#8
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Oh and I actually think we should avoid a last minute voting rush because that way it's easier for the wolves to steer the lynch (assuming they're around). __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

08-30-2010, 06:46 PM	#10
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Alert! My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-30-2010, 05:11 PM	#13
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie... A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch? __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan