WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[the phantom]

Once again, as I did the beginning of yesterday, I will try and hint you all in the correct direction.

Greenie (aka Demeter) knew exactly who Persephone was (and still is). Given her lists throughout the game and her jump to conclusions about Mac being Hades, it is quite clear that Nerwen is Persephone. So- all you need to do is take a look back at day one and see who hints to Nerwen about being her lover. Of course you need only read posts by people who are still alive.

Once you find the hint, you'll know who Hades is, and thus which player to vote for.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Once again, as I did the beginning of yesterday, I will try and hint you all in the correct direction.

Greenie (aka Demeter) knew exactly who Persephone was (and still is). Given her lists throughout the game and her jump to conclusions about Mac being Hades, it is quite clear that Nerwen is Persephone.

Interesting. I was prepared to go along with this yesterDay, as there was talk of my being a wolf, and at least I wouldn't get lynched if you thought I was Persephone. Now, however, I'd like to know what you're up to.

Or do you really think Greenie just assumed, "Oh yes, clearly we're dealing with Suicidal!Hades". Bit of a stretch, surely?

[Lalaith]

Right, I´ve got to be off now (see Admin thread) but will hopefully be back in around 12 hours.
Phantom, I see what you´re saying but
1. I don´t have time to look over the thread...
2. if these hints are so obvious, why did no-one else pick up on them at the time?
Why didn´t Greenie herself, who is a smart cookie?
Anyway, I´m currently pursuing a line of thought which centres on Mira, I think she and her absence provide the key to a lot of questions. More later (car is packed, horn being hooted)

[Folwren]

I don't have time nor interest nor patience to comb the thread for hints. Just now. Maybe later if I have time to kill (ha!) I will.

As of now, I will note that if Kath were a true Seer and not a false one, her posts might come in useful. Yesterday, for instance, she voted pretty surely for Lalaith.

Gotta run, it's breakfast time.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Folwren

As of now, I will note that if Kath were a true Seer and not a false one, her posts might come in useful. Yesterday, for instance, she voted pretty surely for Lalaith.

That's what I thought, too– but after analysing her I don't think it likely.

(This doesn't prove Lalaith isn't a wolf, of course– but I don't think Kath dreamed of her.)

[satansaloser2005]

ToDay’s plan: get rid of Hades. Hephaestus is not necessarily aware of Persephone, so there is a chance (though obviously a slim one) that Hephaestus would kill her toNight rather than one of us. (Besides, Persephone doesn’t get a revenge kill, and I don’t really care if she knows an extra role.) If Hephaestus is killed, Hades and Persephone will live to see toMorrow and we’ll be at end game again toMorrow. We could also kill Persephone, but if we do that we’ll still have two wolves on the prowl and will, again, be back at end game come the next Dawn.


Also....

Kath's dead. Bugger. I was hoping either that I'd be right or that I'd be wrong and that people would overrule my vote for her. Where were you guys anyway? (I ask this because I know Phantom was online, and I thought Mira would be popping up to vote at the least.)

Nienna's dead. Bugger. I called that one. Poor muffin.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, I know the above post came out of nowhere. But I have a point.


Athena: Good. Killing her would be bad.

Dionysus: Good unless turned. Oh, and might not even exist any longer.

Hades: Bad, and has a fangirl. If he's alive, he's a force of two. If he dies, nothing really happens of horrid consequence.

Hebe: Good. Killing her would be bad.

Hephaestus: Bad, with no special shinyness of any kind. However, keep in mind what I said about Hades above before you consider Festy (wtmc, brain?!) the biggest threat.

Persephone: Bad, but only powerful with Hades. If we kill her, Hades kills one of us. Killing her is suicide.

Zeus: Clearly crazy, but harmless and counts in the ordo tally. Thus good. Killing him, while funny, would be bad.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

1. I don´t have time to look over the thread...
2. if these hints are so obvious, why did no-one else pick up on them at the time?
Why didn´t Greenie herself, who is a smart cookie?

You answered your own question, m'dear. It was only one single event, and it's buried beneath hundreds of other posts. "Time to look over the thread" is exactly what is required here. No one has spotted it simply because no one has done more than skim it.

But now that we have so few players, I'm sure you'll find who hinted to Nerwen about being her lover. Just go back and read Day 1 posts made by living players. You don't have to read Nerwen's posts, of course, as she's Persephone. You don't have to read mine, as I'm the one telling you to look. So that leaves Lalaith, Folwren, Shasta, Sally, and Mira. Neither of those five wrote a book on Day 1, so the task isn't terribly daunting.

Time to find Hades, folks. *looks up* And I see Sally agrees on that.

[satansaloser2005]

And you can rule me out, since I just said to kill Hades. I'm just sayin'.

In other news, back to work. I'll return in about six hours.


ETA: Also, if someone could give me a grand vote count they'd be my hero! If not, I'll try to post one when I get back.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You answered your own question, m'dear. It was only one single event, and it's buried beneath hundreds of other posts. "Time to look over the thread" is exactly what is required here. No one has spotted it simply because no one has done more than skim it.

But now that we have so few players, I'm sure you'll find who hinted to Nerwen about being her lover. Just go back and read Day 1 posts made by living players. You don't have to read Nerwen's posts, of course, as she's Persephone. You don't have to read mine, as I'm the one telling you to look. So that leaves Lalaith, Folwren, Shasta, Sally, and Mira. Neither of those five wrote a book on Day 1, so the task isn't terribly daunting.

Time to find Hades, folks. *looks up* And I see Sally agrees on that.

Phantom, whatever you're up to, you don't sound like you're trying to help the village here. If you really think you've spotted Hades, then why don't you just point to the post in question, instead of making the other players jump through hoops for you? (No, I don't know who you think it is, either.)

Seriously: why, if I were Persephone, would Greenie think Mac of all people was Hades? He tried to lynch me on Day One. Is Greenie supposed to have thought that was all an act, and he was somehow sending me lover-hints in the middle of it? Tell you what, it looked pretty sincere from where I am.

[Nerwen]

So, I thought I'd look at Kath-Hestia on Days Four and Five (others are irrelevant), with a view to working out whether she was a true Seer, and if so, who she might have dreamed. I'd not like to make any guesses either way based on her single, very confused post on Day Two.

Kath, Day Four

#923. Missed Day Three "due to busyness and ... ahem ... drunkenness." Assures Zil she will not risk modfire because

Originally Posted by Kath

I'm not about to cause the player list to drop any further after toDay's happenings with a Shirriff AND our true Seer gone.

Is bewildered by Zeus's actions. Votes Rikae.

Comment: By Zeus! That "drunkeness" remark was unfortunate! There's not much to get out of this post, except that the reference to "our true Seer" may have been meant as a clue that Kath herself was false. (She should have known by then whether she was or not.)


#925. Lists roles and players.


#925 and #931. Analyses on various players– no really strong opinions and goes back and fourth quite a bit; sees Lalaith, Sally and I as most likely villains, and will look at us closer toMorrow. Doesn't think phantom is Zeus; thinks I or Lalaith might be, while Lalaith also might be Dionysus. Between these two posts she lists a total of eight(!) players as potential wolves, with no-one at all definitely innocent.

Comments: I don't think there are Seer-hints in here. It looks more like someone trying to puzzle things out, based on general impressions. She doesn't sound like she knows who anyone is.


#932. Banter: tells Sally she's beaten her at making a role-list.


Kath, Day Five

#991. Denies her drunkenness comment was a hint. Explains to Folwren how we know Hestia chose a Seer. Sally might be Zeus. Jokes about lynching tp. Foley, if a wolf, deserves to win; Mira doesn't. Doesn't think Foley and I are packmates.


#996. Tells Folwren the phantom (#994) was just kidding.


#1000. Lalaith, Shasta, Sally and Foley might be wolves, though Sally is more likely Dionysus or Zeus. She has no idea about Nienna. Mira is too uninvolved to be a wolf.


#1005. Analyses votes. Concludes Lalaith and I are the most likely wolves, based on our votes. Also thinks Mira could be a wolf, because of her "sudden burst of energy on Day 3".

Comments: This is going to sound petty, but I'm still annoyed at how careless and inaccurate Kath's analysis was– see my response at #1034 for details. Yes, I'm sorry we went and lynched her, but all the same...

Last post: Votes Lalaith.


General Comments: That Lalaith, Sally and Folwren show up more than once in Kath's "might be a wolf" category is slightly eyebrow-raising; however she also lists the first two as likely Zeuses and Dionysuses, while she's just lukewarm about Folwren. Besides, Hestia wasn't forbidden to reveal. (Also, she has me as a wolf-suspect, and I happen to know I'm not one– but that's of course arguing from my own point of view.) Consistent about phantom's non-Zeus-hood (says this twice, and never changes her mind). Those are the only possible hints I can see there, and they're pretty thin.



Conclusion: I don't think Kath picked tum to dream. There's nothing that looks to me like a real Seer-hint, and in fact I think she deliberately left at least one to the contrary (#923).

EDIT: X'd with Foley.
EDIT: Changed "Like a Seer-hint" to "like a real Seer-hint".