WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Inziladun]

He just posted on the Admin thread that he's dropping out. He says he's one the Shirrifs, Hercules.

x/d with Nerwen

[Inziladun]

Trying to look at possible links of people with Rikae, I thought this was interesting.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, I'd say that was a nice scene I just wrote, and...
people, people, people. Can't say I was wild over the original candidates, but this last minute scrambling isn't likely to do much good either... I mean, Nienna? Why her? You'd do as well to lynch me, and I already have a vote.

She's a wolf. Why would she care about Nienna's death, unless the latter is a packmate? It couldn't mean Nienna is her lover, either, since Tum has already told us Rikae is Ares.

Originally Posted by Nienna

Rikae - 2.5 hours of analysis later.

29 – Mostly banter, doesn’t think much of Boro’s Zeus comment
32 – Jokes at being a wolf
69 – First post of content, explains to Foley that we don’t always need to be serious to be useful, mentions how another role will be revealed when Poseidon comes back
76 – explanation and call for Mod-god interference about lovers and their goals
80 – She mentions that the false seer can lead the village astray with false information and that that is worse than baddies being able to narrow down their potential-seer list
82 – Mentions lovers or anyone trying to save wolves can happen especially in a game like this. Also reiterates how moot the point about Romeo-Juliet lovers is concerning what happens when a partner dies
83 – Both seers are probably leaving trails
88 – Admits that she may misread seer/false seer hints
90 – Nerwen’s “Hades” comment could be leaving hints at Persephone but could just as easily be something else
100 – Converses with Phantom about his lovers talk, mentions how his way can create a suspect where there may actually be no grounds as people’s playing styles vary so much
104 – Mentions how there isn’t generally any reason for the false seer to keep quiet though maybe there is in some circumstances
108 – Thinks Nog’s idea about Seers revealing is interesting but that if there is a false reveal it may tie up a ranger
111 – Says it’s up to individuals to play as they want to. The wolves also get the same information that the village gets and there is no reason to suppose they will miss seer-hints
121 – Didn’t think that Nerwen was trying to get Persephone to pick her and that maybe Mac was trying to confuse Persephone into picking her
128 – Mentions that joking banter may contain hints too Interesting with her own joking banter which could be wolvish – see later as well
133 – Mentions that Steve joking about Dionysus could just be him having too much to drink
137 – Is most suspicious of those seeing hints everywhere than those supposedly leaving hints
142 – Didn’t know Steve’s age and thinks we can just lynch the cursed after they are turned
145 – If Steve is the cursed then he helped the village without knowing it because the wolves wouldn’t pick him now anyway
158 – On Boro’s Zeus-hints: Phantom started it, and Lal kept it going – wonders about Phantom’s intentions in that were
179 – “allied to Zeus” could mean wolf’s lover but she doesn’t think that’s what Boro meant
194 – Doesn’t think that Mac is a lover just because he was suspicious of Boro being a lover
198 – Thinks because the narration will say when the cursed is turned there is no reason to lynch Steve now. Doesn’t want to vote BG because she hasn’t really shown she’s a wolf but she may vote for her because of not participating. Other suspects include Nerwen (though she thinks her suspicion might be based on IC banter and nothing else), Phantom but he hasn’t explained himself and it would be a throwaway, and Wilwa for trying to stir up suspicion about Boro but still keeping her hands clean (also thinks that would be a throwaway)
213 – Admits it must be frustrating for BG but says she has to participate more or why bother. Won’t vote BG (too harsh) or Steve (hasn’t had time to explain himself). Votes Phantom because it should happen more on Day Ones. This doesn’t actually bother me at all… she suspected Phantom a little bit and it seems like as reasonable for a Day One vote as any other
223 – Says she always defends Mac even when they aren’t on the same side

Day 2

334 – Thinks Boro must have coupled his Seer-hints with correct suspicion (accidental or not) as he was killed. Boro also could have coupled Seer and Hunter hints so maybe he didn’t point to a baddie at all and the wolves called his bluff… or he could be the false seer
336 – Mentions it’s weird that Nerwen argued her and Mac weren’t wolf-on-wolf when that’s not even what Nog said
345 – Torn about Mac’s wording about “frustrating to be alone”… chalks it up to second language
350 – Says she knows what Phantom is up to and is more concerned about Nerwen. Doesn’t like people picking on her “sweetie” so much, calls him sweetie again in an edit to the post interesting use of pet names which as I’ve mentioned I don’t believe I’ve seen before…maybe her being playful, maybe not
352 – Now wondering where all the Steve-is-not-the-cursed stuff is coming from, leaning toward Phantom being Zeus and that being what Boro dreamed
354 – Still thinks Phantom is Zeus but not that he should be lynched, it’s debatable anyway
378 – After re-reading Mac’s “frustrating” comment she is pretty sure it is because of English being his second language
412 – Explains that Nerwen was probably talking about Hades the place not the person
467 – Wants to look at the Inzil/Tum stuff and Tum’s voting of BG after finding her innocent
474 – Doesn’t buy Tum being a wolf, doesn’t buy Mac being a wolf, doesn’t buy Steve being a wolf. Votes herself saying that she is the “wolviest wolf that ever howled at the moon” This is the second time she joked at being a wolf and on Day Two when voting matters a little more
485 – More fake (?) lover banter with Mac
526 – Doesn’t like the last minute scrambling for a random lynch candidate
529 – Thinks Mac is behind the lynch-someone-not-Steve business so now she wonders if maybe it would be wise to lynch him

Day 3

593 – Has some problems with Lottie’s Tum-analysis, doesn’t think Sally’s Hestia plan is best, she doesn’t approve of bandwagons
602 – Doesn’t want to get lynched with chat-speak
608 – Sadly doesn’t have any assassination power

Conclusions: Generally she has been very helpful and even reprimanding to the village where it is needed. She's been logical and consistent. The only thing that worries me a tiny bit is her joking about being a wolf. I don’t think she is a wolf but it is interesting. She is also very flippant about her own lynching which leads me to think that maybe she doesn’t have one of the more important roles... maybe a lover (with all the lover banter) which could mean she can have assassination powers later.

I find it notable that at the end she writes a glowing summary of how good Rikae is, but leaves that very small bit of doubt based around Rikae's joking declarations of lupinity. Did anyone who's innocent really take Rikae seriously there? She says things like that all the time! It seems a strange thing for someone to choose as a reason to be wary of Rikae. More like a packmate saying "Hmm. I don't need to be totally in favour of Rikae, so I'd better put an inconsequential reason as to why I don't completely trust her". And the bit about Rikae possibly being a lover? Could that have been intended to dissuade the Seer from dreaming her? "Doesn't have one of the more important roles"?

[Nienna]

Ok so of course all the interesting stuff happened right after I went to bed yesterDay . Anyway... I'm glad we are going to be two wolves down after toDay and know another role with Tum's dreams... or at least wolf v. non-wolf as if I was Tum I'd be hesitant to give out actual roles unless it is necessary for us to know.

Alive:
Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Tum - Seer
Lalaith
Greenie
Rikae - Wolf
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

Roles left:
Zeus
Hestia - Seer (real or false)
Hades – wolf-lover
Persephone – lover of Hades
Demeter
Hebe - other sheriff
Apollo - Tum
Ares – Rikae
Hephaestus – wolf
Pan - Ranger
Dionysus - cursed
Eros - Ranger-like
Athena - goddess of Wisdom

So there are two wolves left... and one innocent (Persephone) who wants the wolves to win (but only with Hades as the remaining wolf) so that she can win too. Basically there are those 3/12 (unless the cursed is playing cobbler-like) (or 4/13 if we count Rikae) that don't really have the village's best interest at heart.

Edit: x-ed with lots

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Trying to look at possible links of people with Rikae, I thought this was interesting.



She's a wolf. Why would she care about Nienna's death, unless the latter is a packmate? It couldn't mean Nienna is her lover, either, since Tum has already told us Rikae is Ares.



I find it notable that at the end she writes a glowing summary of how good Rikae is, but leaves that very small bit of doubt based around Rikae's joking declarations of lupinity. Did anyone who's innocent really take Rikae seriously there? She says things like that all the time! It seems a strange thing for someone to choose as a reason to be wary of Rikae. More like a packmate saying "Hmm. I don't need to be totally in favour of Rikae, so I'd better put an inconsequential reason as to why I don't completely trust her". And the bit about Rikae possibly being a lover? Could that have been intended to dissuade the Seer from dreaming her? "Doesn't have one of the more important roles"?

Now you're grasping at straws. I picked out the stuff I thought could mean that Rikae is a wolf though I didn't think it likely (I know now that I was wrong ) ... if you'll note in the analysis I did of you as well I picked out the weird things you said that could point to your wolf-dom as well.

[the phantom]

I probably won't be around much today. Church right now, then leaving for Lincoln. I'll try to read up and post briefly at noon, and again sometime in the evening.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Now you're grasping at straws. I picked out the stuff I thought could mean that Rikae is a wolf though I didn't think it likely (I know now that I was wrong ) ... if you'll note in the analysis I did of you as well I picked out the weird things you said that could point to your wolf-dom as well.

I may be wrong, but I don't think I'm "grasping at straws". It just seems like an odd thing to single out as your reason for having some misgivings about Rikae, when you'd been so otherwise positive about her.

[Nerwen]

Anyway, I was going to look at Wilwa on Day Three.

Oh, and–

++Rikae.

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day Three

#581. No way to know yet if Hestia is False or not. Explains Day Two vote. Very puzzled as to why Nienna was proposed as the alternative lynchee to Eonwe:

Originally Posted by Wilwa

Was her name just randomly chosen? Are we just going to lynch random people now without any real suspicion? Later today I'm taking a closer look at that, because the whole thing just makes me uneasy. Eonwe made at least a bit of sense, even if he maybe didn't look *that* suspicious, he had been discussed to be a possible Cursed and if anything it would have stopped us from just considering him again toDay and wasting time. It was ideal, but it made more sense than Nienna.

Finds Lottie's analysis of tum (#564) unreadable. Agrees with my points about "Nogrod's fork".

Comments: Nienna again... However, a wolf can be honestly curious, too, and it seems Nienna was indeed picked at random.


#617. Doesn't like Sally's plan. Is against reveals in general:

Originally Posted by Wilwa

In a game like this where there are already a bunch of people who know other's identities (Seer, Lovers, Shirriffs, Hunter-Hunter/Guardian, those Protectors, Hestia knows the Seer, and possible extra dreams if a Lover dies), if we start getting a bunch of reveals than that's just too much role knowledge going on, and it could start unbalancing the game.

Tum is weird, but so is Lottie. Doesn't like Nog, but doesn't want to lynch him if he won't be around.

Comments: That bit about reveals unbalancing the game may have been what alerted Lottie.


#628. Suspicion list. Okay with Lalaith, me, Rikae, Mac, Sally and Greenie. Neutral about Kath, Nienna, Inzil, Mira, phantom and Folwren. Suspicious of tum, Lottie, Shasta and Nog.


#631. Agrees with Greenie (#630) that tum looks bad, but might be a misguided innocent. Agrees with Zil (#627) that the boldness of Sally's plan makes her look good.


#691. Comments on Nog, tum, and Lottie. Nog's last post makes her feel better about him, Lottie is all right, tum looks worst. Votes tum.

General Comments: Still precious little to say about living players. Somewhat supportive of Nienna and Sally– however, her strong opposition to Sally's plan would tend to indicate they're not on the same side. (Wouldn't want to rely on any of this, though.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading. I'm going to have to vote early and won't be on the rest of the day, so -

++Rikae

Also, what the heck was Zeus thinking!?

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I may be wrong, but I don't think I'm "grasping at straws". It just seems like an odd thing to single out as your reason for having some misgivings about Rikae, when you'd been so otherwise positive about her.

You're allowed your opinion and I'm glad you are looking at other people today instead of just wasting the day because we have a wolf. I'm just letting you know that I pointed those things out because they stuck out to me and I wanted others to see what I saw.

[Folwren]

Interesting way to make the game...interesting, Zues. Good gravy, this is insanity itself.

And Mac, a ranger, has dropped out, too? We're in dire straights, folks.

I've got to go for a bit, we're about to read the Bible.

-- Foley

x-posted with Rikae.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Interesting way to make the game...interesting, Zues. Good gravy, this is insanity itself.

And Mac, a ranger, has dropped out, too? We're in dire straights, folks.

I've got to go for a bit, we're about to read the Bible.

-- Foley

x-posted with Rikae.

He was capable of a ranger power at some point but we do still have two active rangers. We may also still have a true seer. We need not despair but we do need to be cautious.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

He just posted on the Admin thread that he's dropping out. He says he's one the Shirrifs, Hercules.

Well, there goes that theory. So Wilwa's Day One and Two posts have pointed exactly nowhere.

Originally Posted by Zil

I find it notable that at the end she writes a glowing summary of how good Rikae is, but leaves that very small bit of doubt based around Rikae's joking declarations of lupinity. Did anyone who's innocent really take Rikae seriously there? She says things like that all the time! It seems a strange thing for someone to choose as a reason to be wary of Rikae. More like a packmate saying "Hmm. I don't need to be totally in favour of Rikae, so I'd better put an inconsequential reason as to why I don't completely trust her". And the bit about Rikae possibly being a lover? Could that have been intended to dissuade the Seer from dreaming her? "Doesn't have one of the more important roles"?

Hmmn. Interesting.

EDIT:X'd with Nienna and Sally.

[Boromir88]

As interim Mod until Glirdan returns, I've been told to deliver yet another message. Zeus has decided to strike down...Tum. The seer, Apollo has immediately been kicked off from Mount Olympus. Tum, you're dead, no more posting for you.

Carry on you rabble rousers.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

As interim Mod until Glirdan returns, I've been told to deliver yet another message. Zeus has decided to strike down...Tum. The seer, Apollo has immediately been kicked off from Mount Olympus. Tum, you're dead, no more posting for you.

Carry on you rabble rousers.

Now why did you do that, Zeus? You can't win with the wolves! See? Lovers are never to be trusted.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

As interim Mod until Glirdan returns, I've been told to deliver yet another message. Zeus has decided to strike down...Tum. The seer, Apollo has immediately been kicked off from Mount Olympus. Tum, you're dead, no more posting for you.

Carry on you rabble rousers.

What?

I thought we nutted this out on Day One: Zeus is supposed to be on the side of the village now!

EDIT: X'd with Zil and Sally.

[Nienna]

Zeus!! We aren't friends.

[Nerwen]

...I mean, I think there's technically nothing in the rules to stop him doing this– but why? Was Wilwa that charming?

EDIT: got roles confused.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...I mean, I think there's technically nothing in the rules to stop him doing this– but why? Was Rikae that charming?

No, he's allowed to kill anyone he wants, but I can't see why he'd want to. His lover is dead, and his only chance of winning lies with the village. A chance, by the way, that he has now seriously reduced.

[Inziladun]

All right, Hestia. If you happened to pick Tum instead of Boro, now's your moment to shine.