WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

A Little Green · 07-30-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sally

Lottie: She makes no sense, like at all. Maybe Tum's lover? *twitches*

I doubt that. It would be really really bold for a lover to so persistently push for the lynch of her partner. Needlessly bold, I'd say, for I see no particular gain. Sure, some suspicion every now and then is not a bad tactic at all, but to take it to such a level would be foolish.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

I doubt that. It would be really really bold for a lover to so persistently push for the lynch of her partner. Needlessly bold, I'd say, for I see no particular gain. Sure, some suspicion every now and then is not a bad tactic at all, but to take it to such a level would be foolish.

Oh. My. Goodness. I did not mean what I said there. *headdesks* I'd been thinking earlier that Tum could be an evil lover, but putting her with Lottie makes no sense. Please excuse my complete lapse of brain cells.

I'll decide what I actually meant when I return, hopefully soon.

A Little Green · 07-30-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilwa

*growls like the Wereduckling*

Aww! But I can't push for the lynch of anyone half so cute!

Whoa. It's late, and I have a relatively early start tomorrow - in other words, I need to vote and be off to bed. That is very sad since I fear whatever I decide turns out to be the exact wrong thing to do. Oh well, I suppose I'll just have to live with that. It's between Mac, Nog and autume for me toDay I think, and of those two I think I'll go for

++ Nogrod

For a couple of reasons.
1) He has acted unreasonably in ways that point to furriness.
2) His death would shed light on other people's roles (I'm thinking Mac, Lottie, Sally, and possibly Nerwen and pantom too).
3) My logic is suspicious of Mac and autume while my gut isn't, with Nog both are suspicious of him albeit to a slightly lesser extent. Still, he's my best bet toDay.

Good night!

Lalaith · 07-30-2010, 04:33 PM

This game is a right old bugger. You look at players and posts, you spot something that might be patterns and alliances, and then you think, but there are so many innocent alliances too, it might not be a sign of evil. You remember how easy it is to mistake a gifted for a wolf, and then remember that every blessed person is a gifted. Oh lawks.

Ok, list time again.
Phantom – full of beans today, and getting *very* cocky. Trusts Mac. Believes Lottie is innocent. His suspect list is interesting but I don’t get what he says about why he's putting Kath at the top of it...I agree she can be a lethal quiet wolf but if that’s what he means he should say so.

Nog I’ve already harped on about my concerns here. I would probably vote for him on the strength of that comment of his, (given my lack of solid suspects) were it not for the fact he is not here to explain himself and it seems unsporting.

Tum – I’ve already given my opinion on her earlier. My reservations about voting for her are similar to those voiced by Greenie and Wilwa.

Loslote – that great long analysis. It seems to be trying to prove that Tum agrees with what everybody else says...and the impression it gives me is that it could be the kind of analysis a wolf might do on someone the pack had decided might make a good lynch for the Day... something non-committal that others could pick over...she is another possible vote for me today but that in itself annoys me because I think it so unlikely that she and Nogrod are *both* wolves.

Nerwen is out to get Nogrod today. Well fair enough, there’s enough rope to hang him, but I’m surprised she hasn’t picked up on my point which does look quite bad for him.

Mac – my problem with him remains his callous attitude to Nerwen yesterday. Too callous for an innocent, arguably....but Today he has once more been generally sensible and incisive.

Sally – I think that despite flaws her Hestia plan was inspired from a genuine desire to help; not the sort of thing a wolf would come up with I think. I do see Phantom's point about tying up the Rangers but still, if you were a wolf, why would you encourage the survival of a Seer?

Greenie – again trying to be fair and even-handed. Her suspicions and also her reservations about Tum are more or less the same as mine.

Wilwa – not as incisive or detailed as Greenie as yet today but the same sense of trying to play fair which looks good in my book.

Nienna – as so many have said, giving an impression of ‘lying low’. However, she does do a thorough analysis of Rikae and finds her consistent and logical. I personally look at Rikae and see chutzpah and erratic brilliance, but ok, if you say so...

Rikae – as I said yesterday, I never can see past the chutzpah with her so I’ll leave that to others.

Zil – still feels ok - has opinions, not afraid to express them, and what he is saying seems to make sense to me.

Shasta – very brief, not enough to go on.

Not posted yet today? (correct me if I’m wrong)
Kath, Mira, Folwren. (Btw - Where IS Kath? I’m on the same time zone as her and it’s bedtime...tsk...dirty stop-out...)
Have I left anyone out? I need to decide, as I need to go to bed soon...

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

but I don’t get what he says about why he's putting Kath at the top of it

She's not "at the top" of my list, but rather she happens to be listed first. I wasn't meaning to imply order of suspicion. Sorry for being unclear.

Lalaith · 07-30-2010, 04:42 PM

No worries. Btw my list is not meant to be read in order of suspicion either, it started off as an "order of posting" list and then went off on a tangent.

Nienna · 07-30-2010, 05:19 PM

Zil:

31 – Wonders why Boro singled out Phantom, teases that Rikae is a wolf for singling out possible gifteds
36 – No one should be blindly followed
64 – Mentions how the lovers are unpredictable, calls Nog “mate” Interesting thing there… could be just “friend” but if either of them turns out a wolf I’d be seriously considering the other … word choice is very important
66 – More lover stuff
93 – Thinks the false seer – once they know they are false – needs to come clean and let us know so that we aren’t following false hints
131 – Wants to know what Steve has to say about the Dionysus thing
134 – Mentions Steve’s age and more about the cursed role being revealed
152 – More about the cursed not being good once they are turned
172 – Who stands out: Boro – confusing; Mac – wants to lynch just for being Mac but not today; Steve – Dionysus thing but doesn’t see him as a threat; BG – popping in and out
174 – Is hesitant to vote Mac even though he thinks that Mac’s reasoning was reaching (re: Boro and Zeus)
185 – Votes BG for poking her head in and saying nothing except what others have said

Day 2
337 – Looks at some of Boro’s posts, mentions how his sudden vote for Steve is jarring, mentions that Lottie has been suspicious of Tum and wants to have another look at her
342 – Analysis of Tum – finds her very suspicious especially going back and forth between suspects and then voting for someone who she thought was innocent. Reading what he wrote and quoted, Tum did say she would vote BG to try and save Steve which seems to be what happened… yes after checking Tum voted when Steve was only behind in votes by one and there had been a few recent ones so she could have been voting to save him
395 – Wonders why I find him suspicious while I voted for someone who I admitted was innocent I shall respond to this now if you’d like… I didn’t say you were suspicious I just said your vote doesn’t look fabulous because of it’s timing, and I voted for someone I thought was detrimental … which doesn’t have to mean wolf
457 – Of the people who have the spotlight: Rikae – surprisingly OK with; Mac – doesn’t trust but won’t be voting; Phantom – doesn’t seem evil but not trustworthy; Nerwen – confusion; Nog – think’s Nog is being too single-minded to be innocent; Tum – doesn’t like her flip-floping with Steve
462 – Doesn’t like Tum’s defenses
471 – Defends his vote for BG
473 – Votes Steve to hopefully shed light on his real suspects Not my favorite vote… he votes for Steve even though he has other top suspects

Day 3
594 – Happy no wolf-kill, jokes about Rikae being a wolf, gives more points against Tum – thinks looks like a ploy to get innocents lynched. Thinks Nerwen and Lal’s points against Nog have validity
618 – Can see the attraction to Sally’s plan but sees the flaws too, more points against Tum – fixating on players and then dropping them
627 – Fine with lynching Nog or Tum today, not getting furry vibes from Lal

Conclusions:
I don't know if I would say that he's furry. He had some disconcerting votes and he seems to be really stuck on Tum and Nog. On the whole he's been consistent at least. I don't trust him but that doesn't mean he's a wolf either.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 05:10 PM

I am here now and should be here until DL.

Macalaure · 07-30-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

my problem with him remains his callous attitude to Nerwen yesterday.

Callous?

I definitely did not mean to act that way. I'm not sure what you mean, in fact, and it would be great if you would specifiy what exactly in my behavior was callous. If I appeared that way, I do sincerely apologise.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 07:43 PM

Before I pop off to look at Foley, I'd like to say that, even more than Nog, I'd like to lynch Tum. I'd be happy with either one (at least more than Lottie) but Tum's looking more evil....at the moment anyway.

07-30-2010, 04:33 PM	#4
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	This game is a right old bugger. You look at players and posts, you spot something that might be patterns and alliances, and then you think, but there are so many innocent alliances too, it might not be a sign of evil. You remember how easy it is to mistake a gifted for a wolf, and then remember that every blessed person is a gifted. Oh lawks. Ok, list time again. Phantom – full of beans today, and getting very cocky. Trusts Mac. Believes Lottie is innocent. His suspect list is interesting but I don’t get what he says about why he's putting Kath at the top of it...I agree she can be a lethal quiet wolf but if that’s what he means he should say so. Nog I’ve already harped on about my concerns here. I would probably vote for him on the strength of that comment of his, (given my lack of solid suspects) were it not for the fact he is not here to explain himself and it seems unsporting. Tum – I’ve already given my opinion on her earlier. My reservations about voting for her are similar to those voiced by Greenie and Wilwa. Loslote – that great long analysis. It seems to be trying to prove that Tum agrees with what everybody else says...and the impression it gives me is that it could be the kind of analysis a wolf might do on someone the pack had decided might make a good lynch for the Day... something non-committal that others could pick over...she is another possible vote for me today but that in itself annoys me because I think it so unlikely that she and Nogrod are both wolves. Nerwen is out to get Nogrod today. Well fair enough, there’s enough rope to hang him, but I’m surprised she hasn’t picked up on my point which does look quite bad for him. Mac – my problem with him remains his callous attitude to Nerwen yesterday. Too callous for an innocent, arguably....but Today he has once more been generally sensible and incisive. Sally – I think that despite flaws her Hestia plan was inspired from a genuine desire to help; not the sort of thing a wolf would come up with I think. I do see Phantom's point about tying up the Rangers but still, if you were a wolf, why would you encourage the survival of a Seer? Greenie – again trying to be fair and even-handed. Her suspicions and also her reservations about Tum are more or less the same as mine. Wilwa – not as incisive or detailed as Greenie as yet today but the same sense of trying to play fair which looks good in my book. Nienna – as so many have said, giving an impression of ‘lying low’. However, she does do a thorough analysis of Rikae and finds her consistent and logical. I personally look at Rikae and see chutzpah and erratic brilliance, but ok, if you say so... Rikae – as I said yesterday, I never can see past the chutzpah with her so I’ll leave that to others. Zil – still feels ok - has opinions, not afraid to express them, and what he is saying seems to make sense to me. Shasta – very brief, not enough to go on. Not posted yet today? (correct me if I’m wrong) Kath, Mira, Folwren. (Btw - Where IS Kath? I’m on the same time zone as her and it’s bedtime...tsk...dirty stop-out...) Have I left anyone out? I need to decide, as I need to go to bed soon... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-30-2010, 04:42 PM	#6
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No worries. Btw my list is not meant to be read in order of suspicion either, it started off as an "order of posting" list and then went off on a tangent. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-30-2010, 05:19 PM	#7
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	Zil: 31 – Wonders why Boro singled out Phantom, teases that Rikae is a wolf for singling out possible gifteds 36 – No one should be blindly followed 64 – Mentions how the lovers are unpredictable, calls Nog “mate” Interesting thing there… could be just “friend” but if either of them turns out a wolf I’d be seriously considering the other … word choice is very important 66 – More lover stuff 93 – Thinks the false seer – once they know they are false – needs to come clean and let us know so that we aren’t following false hints 131 – Wants to know what Steve has to say about the Dionysus thing 134 – Mentions Steve’s age and more about the cursed role being revealed 152 – More about the cursed not being good once they are turned 172 – Who stands out: Boro – confusing; Mac – wants to lynch just for being Mac but not today; Steve – Dionysus thing but doesn’t see him as a threat; BG – popping in and out 174 – Is hesitant to vote Mac even though he thinks that Mac’s reasoning was reaching (re: Boro and Zeus) 185 – Votes BG for poking her head in and saying nothing except what others have said Day 2 337 – Looks at some of Boro’s posts, mentions how his sudden vote for Steve is jarring, mentions that Lottie has been suspicious of Tum and wants to have another look at her 342 – Analysis of Tum – finds her very suspicious especially going back and forth between suspects and then voting for someone who she thought was innocent. Reading what he wrote and quoted, Tum did say she would vote BG to try and save Steve which seems to be what happened… yes after checking Tum voted when Steve was only behind in votes by one and there had been a few recent ones so she could have been voting to save him 395 – Wonders why I find him suspicious while I voted for someone who I admitted was innocent I shall respond to this now if you’d like… I didn’t say you were suspicious I just said your vote doesn’t look fabulous because of it’s timing, and I voted for someone I thought was detrimental … which doesn’t have to mean wolf 457 – Of the people who have the spotlight: Rikae – surprisingly OK with; Mac – doesn’t trust but won’t be voting; Phantom – doesn’t seem evil but not trustworthy; Nerwen – confusion; Nog – think’s Nog is being too single-minded to be innocent; Tum – doesn’t like her flip-floping with Steve 462 – Doesn’t like Tum’s defenses 471 – Defends his vote for BG 473 – Votes Steve to hopefully shed light on his real suspects Not my favorite vote… he votes for Steve* even though he has other top suspects* Day 3 594 – Happy no wolf-kill, jokes about Rikae being a wolf, gives more points against Tum – thinks looks like a ploy to get innocents lynched. Thinks Nerwen and Lal’s points against Nog have validity 618 – Can see the attraction to Sally’s plan but sees the flaws too, more points against Tum – fixating on players and then dropping them 627 – Fine with lynching Nog or Tum today, not getting furry vibes from Lal Conclusions: I don't know if I would say that he's furry. He had some disconcerting votes and he seems to be really stuck on Tum and Nog. On the whole he's been consistent at least. I don't trust him but that doesn't mean he's a wolf either. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

07-30-2010, 05:10 PM	#8
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	I am here now and should be here until DL. __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

07-30-2010, 07:43 PM	#10
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Before I pop off to look at Foley, I'd like to say that, even more than Nog, I'd like to lynch Tum. I'd be happy with either one (at least more than Lottie) but Tum's looking more evil....at the moment anyway. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.