WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Rikae]

Phantom, I know very well what you're up to, but right now I'm more concerned about Nerwen. She seems a little fishy, eh? I guess it's just a hunch, though.

Don't like people picking on my sweetie so much. He hasn't played in a long time, so let's not lynch him on Day 2, shall we? Especially when we have two major leads pointing in the direction of Steve and... helllo Almighty Phantom!

EDIT: X'd with Sweetie-Pie

[Rikae]

Where is all this "Steve is probably not the cursed" business coming from, anyway? I haven't seen a good argument against it. Against him having been Boro's dream and the cursed, yes, but there's still solid reason for thinking he's the cursed. His explanation for his "Dionysus" remark looked to me like a less-than-sincere echo of Nerwen and Boro's explanations.

For Boro's dream, though, I'm strongly leaning toward Phantom=Zeus. However, if he is, do we want to lynch him, or try to get Hera first and make him into an innocent (with additional powers, and on the side of the village)? Puts a bit of a new light on Phantom's lover-talk of yesterDay as well. Still, I doubt he'd have done anything yet that would lead us to Hera.

EDIT: X'd with Lalaith.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mac

While I agree that Eonwe is probably not the cursed, the probability of the event that Eonwe has a (potentially) evil role is not affected by the outcome of the random experiment that determined the false seer's dream.

Yeah, true I guess.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a Seer dreams of a Cursed, is he told that the player is an ord? So for Boro to have dreamt of Eonwe and believed him to be evil, it would be either as wolf or, arguably, lover?

Yep.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Don't like people picking on my sweetie so much. He hasn't played in a long time, so let's not lynch him on Day 2, shall we? Especially when we have two major leads pointing in the direction of Steve and... helllo Almighty Phantom!

Your "sweetie" may not have played in a long time, but I haven't either! Not since last summer. What about some pity for me?

edit: x-post Rikae

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Your "sweetie" may not have played in a long time, but I haven't either! Not since last summer. What about some pity for me?

Don't cry, little one - you're a special snowflake. And king of the Gods. What more do you want?


Anyway, you'll note that I don't actually think you should be lynched at this point in time; or at least, I consider it debatable.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Wow, that was a really absurd comment I made, then, wasn't it? So much so that someone (although not you or Folwren, apparently) might even conclude that it was a joke!

Shush. I was tired and thought maybe, just maybe, you'd lost your marbles. Good to know you're still all right then. *pets you* I was a bit concerned for you.


Phantom? Special snowflake? Nah.


In other news, I'd love to make a list of suspicions, but I'll need to read the thread again. And again, I'm useless. *pouts* On the plus side, at least Dun's not tried to attack me as usual. Perhaps he knows something I don't. Hmmmm. Nah, not possible.


EDIT: x'd with Phantom....pants *runs and hides*

[Lalaith]

Greenie and phantom bicker, Rikae and phantom banter, oh my it's good to be back.

Sally, I know what you mean about feeling useless though. You actually worry me less today than you did yesterday.

Who has posted so far today? It seems like the focus has been on just a handful of players....it feels like a smaller village than it should be.

Also, the MM. I don't want to sound like I've got a bee in my bonnet but you do all realise there is just under a one in 4.5 chance that we now have five wolves?

[autume98]

I haven't gone through all the thread yet, but I do want to post my reasoning for the reason I voted BG yesterday since I've noticed a few concerns.

The reason I didn't vote for Mac yesterday is simply because I wanted to keep Eonwe around for a little bit longer. At the time Eonwe was also being looked at being lynched. At the time specualation was that he may be Dionysis, and I wasn't ready to lynch him yesterDay. I felt like we should keep him around and in order to do that I had to vote for BG. If I would've had enough people on my side I would've voted for Mac.

[Folwren]

I'm about half way through treading page 10, I think. I've got to know - who the blazes is 'Tum'? I keep seeing that name, but to my memory, there is no player with that screen name, and I know that Downers have nick-names, but I don't know 'em all. At first I thought it was the Phantom, but he has other names. Is it autume98? People call her(him?) autume.

So, I'm confused, and the name 'Tum' comes up a lot.

Sorry.

I'm sitll reading. I doubt I'll have time to post anything of value as most of my reading is speed reading anyway. I probably won't vote today. This is really crummy.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Folwren

I'm about half way through treading page 10, I think. I've got to know - who the blazes is 'Tum'?

That would be the poster above you.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Where is all this "Steve is probably not the cursed" business coming from, anyway? I haven't seen a good argument against it.

I gave my argument yesterday. Given what I've seen in the past and in this game from Steve, his Dionysus comment definitely felt like a throwaway. Plus there was his tandem Ranger idea, which I don't see why he should've mentioned had he been a cursed intent on helping the baddies.

Originally Posted by Rikae

For Boro's dream, though, I'm strongly leaning toward Phantom=Zeus.

Okay, first there is the fact that I am not Zeus.

Then, for those who don't know to trust my word-
Where did he hint at such a thing? Boro specifically said to Mac that there were intentions in his first post, but-

Originally Posted by Boro

Zeus has absolutely nothing to do with those intentions, you're looking at the wrong part.

That seems rather a stupid thing to say if he was indeed trying to hint at Zeus's identity.

And even if he hadn't said that, but rather had actually said that I was Zeus, all that would mean is that he was the false Seer.

(edit: lunch time- brb)

[Rikae]

I would not put so much stock in Boro having said that; he was defending himself at that point, after all.

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[Rikae]

Oh, and Sally, dear, don't look at the post count...

I look forward to watching you try to catch up.

EDIT: whoa! X'd with Sally and Folwren.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Do you have reasons for these, or are they just gut-feelings? The following is what I found for your suspicion of Mac:I don't like that logic (insofar as saying someone is "feeling slightly off" includes a logic), especially as I think it appeared only after I voiced some suspicion about Mac. The same goes for Nog, actually - the way he jumped on my suspicion of Mac was fishy and quite uncharacteristical of him. (Usually he doesn't trust a word I say!) It made me think worse of him and better of Mac, actually.

Yeah, I do. Mac was acting funny all Day, then when people started to point that out, he "gives up". This seems like he realized he had no excuse. The Hades argument makes a lot of sense to me, but I will freely admit, I had not put a god's name to my suspicion of him - just that I thought he was a wolf.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Could be he dreamed of Mira, for instance, in which case he could also still be the false seer (indeed, probably would, because he seems to have thought Mira was a ranger, and she seems not to have been, or at least, not to have protected him.)

This seems like the most likely of the theories of who Boro dreamed.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Don't like people picking on my sweetie so much. He hasn't played in a long time, so let's not lynch him on Day 2, shall we? Especially when we have two major leads pointing in the direction of Steve and... helllo Almighty Phantom!

What major leads?

As for Tum and Nog, I still don't like them.

Nog helped spearhead the Cursed!Steve theory, but called for the village to leave him be. As a wolf, if he thought Steve was not the Cursed, this is ingenius. Not only would this effectively isolate an innocent from all the other innocents, if the wolves did turn the real Cursed, we'd lynch Steve, not the Cursed.

EDIT: xed with people and, once again, I'm not really here yet, and I probably won't be for a long while yet.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm not really here yet, and I probably won't be for a long while yet.

Same with me. I thought of just making a few quick remarks and come back later... and it took what, an hour. Well the time of "the later" just got postponed a bit...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Where did he hint at such a thing? Boro specifically said to Mac that there were intentions in his first post, but-

That seems rather a stupid thing to say if he was indeed trying to hint at Zeus's identity.

Well, now as you mention that. I have been wondering all a long why no one looks at the obvious connection of what the other part is - which is Hera of course.

"Be allied to wolves, be allied to lovers, be allied to Zeus" - who is it but Hera?

And I did notice tp nicely overlooked that interpretation in his otherwise thorough-looking close-reading of Boro's posting.

Or am I just unable to see something you all see?

[Nogrod]

Another short notice... so you guys think I'm overstretching when finding Nerwen to have hinted of being Hades? Looking at phantom and Greenie doing their stuff toDay... well you're really doing it!

Phantom's building of the Hades-hints looks pretty much a collection of fabricated and off-their relation picked things, but still Greenie picked on it saying:

Originally Posted by Greenie

I was pretty sure yesterDay that Mac was Hades (a big part of why I voted for him in the first place), but didn't want to say it because I kind of hoped against all hope that Persephone had failed to notice what I did (a big part of why I voted for him with such flimsy reasons instead of my real ones). That obviously doesn't matter anymore now that all his possible Hades hints are out in the open anyway.

Okay one reason to my reaction: I actually agreed yesterDay - and do so toDay - on what Mac said, that you really can make the argument that Nerwen is a wolf becasue of her Hades-stuff. It is a point worth noticing, but hardly a call for Persephone to look at him.

Another reason: most of us commented on the lovers and our need to find any hints they would desperately need to make - I was probably one of the most loud on that. So why pick Mac as someone who had an obsession with it - or pick up somethig like "we need to look at hints" as especially suspicious. We need to look at hints, and I believe many said that.

And that "gives up" -part - as another second-language speaker I see that as a bit over the top. Really. Also being alone - with his opinion on that subject matter? Right?

I don't believe I'm taking such a strong defencive stance on Mac but no can do as your efforts in making him look like Hades look much more evil. Which doesn't mean I think he's innocent by definition.

But you two could be Hera and Zeus actually? Trying to help Nerwen (eg. the real Hades)? How would that sound to you guys?

[Nogrod]

I saw the posts by tp and Greenie I x'd with... okay, sorry, must have read your early rant carelessly.

I'm not sure I totally buy tp's explanation though, but actually it doesn't matter that much. And arguing about would be a waste of time to be honest as we have no Boro left to tell us how it actually was...

But I'm really curious about phantom's motives behind the way he tried to frame Mac as making Hades hints - and Greenie's immediate usage of it...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

But I'm really curious about phantom's motives behind the way he tried to frame Mac as making Hades hints - and Greenie's immediate usage of it...

I wasn't framing him. I was stating what stood out to me, and at the bottom I definitely left it open to other interpretations, and I asked Mac personally if he could help me answer the question. The fact is I was leaning towards believing that Mac was not Hades, but up to something entirely different, and was trying to give him a chance to hint me to it (to confirm what I was thinking). It remains to be seen whether or not I was right.

And sorry, but I can't answer for Greenie. If you think we're Zeus and Hera, you're wrong. And just a minute ago weren't you saying I was Hera? It looks to me like you're determined one way or another to go at me, once again giving me the feeling that you came into the day with a plan to try and float me as a lynching target.

But since your new theory has me as Zeus, if you wished to test the theory I assume you'd try to lynch Hera first, yes? If that's the case, go ahead. Feel free. I have no special bond with any other player. And if Greenie turns out to be innocent, then what? Go back to Day 1 and attempt to misuse Boro's words on another unrelated party? I mean, keep in mind looking at his words I am clearly not Zeus, but you've formed a theory despite that where I am, and then assuming that false assumption is correct you build upon it and attempt to identify Hera.

This seems like a totally insane way to try and use the dead Seer's words. Not to mention the very obvious fact that he may be the false Seer and thus your false reasoning is based on false information to begin with.

I stated at the end of yesterday that I was not agreeing with your logic and reasoning at all this game, and I see that it has continued into today. If given the chance I would definitely try taking a shot at you with the lynch today.