WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm not sure I have the heart to tell you.

And there's another lover quote! Are you trying to make things difficult?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Actually, I read the "although it's frustrating to be alone with it" post (which also is eye catching for ending with the words "I am a lover") several times over before making up my mind that the wording, which is odd enough to jump out at me, was probably due to Mac using a second language and not any kind of hint. I'm still a bit torn about it, though.

Hmmm.... So perhaps he wasn't hinting that he was Hades, but rather that he was German.

On the subject of Steve- I said yesterday I didn't think he looked like Dionysus and I stick by that, so if Boro was the false Seer and dreamed of Steve then I believe he is innocent, as it's unlikely the false dream yielded the correct role. If Boro was the real Seer and dreamed Steve then I was at least right about him not being Dionysus, but obviously we should lynch him for Wolfdom. Bleh. Which is more likely?

I agree with Nerwen calling that one argument he made today "dodgy", but that's really all I've seen from him that gets my suspicion up.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by phantom

so if Boro was the false Seer and dreamed of Steve then I believe he is innocent, as it's unlikely the false dream yielded the correct role.

While I agree that Eonwe is probably not the cursed, the probability of the event that Eonwe has a (potentially) evil role is not affected by the outcome of the random experiment that determined the false seer's dream.

Originally Posted by phantom

Are you trying to make things difficult?

Me?

[Lalaith]

if Boro was the false Seer and dreamed of Steve then I believe he is innocent, as it's unlikely the false dream yielded the correct role

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a Seer dreams of a Cursed, is he told that the player is an ord? So for Boro to have dreamt of Eonwe and believed him to be evil, it would be either as wolf or, arguably, lover?

[A Little Green]

LEANING INNOCENT:

Wilwa - Hasn't done anything to merit suspicion. That is to say, other than casting an apologetic-toned vote for BG. I didn't like that vote, but I'm not sure if it's wolvish or not.

Lottie - I'm inclined to believe her innocent at the moment, though I'd be happier with her if she explained why she's so convinced of Tum's furriness, and suspicious of Mac and Nog.

Nerwen - If she's a wolf I'll eat my hat. I know she has fooled me totally before, but right now I have no reason to suspect her. She's making way too much sense (though sure Nerwolf is capable of that too) and just generally not bothering to try to rub people the right way.

Rikae - Right now I'm more inclined to think she's innocent. As I wrote those words, though, I got the feeling that she's grinning an evil grin right now. Werewolf makes me paranoid.

NO GREAT IMPRESSION TO EITHER DIRECTION:

Kath - Too little data for me to say this or that. She was the first to vote BG, and did so because she wanted to go for somebody quiet and thought BG was the least constructive of the quiet ones. Really, that could go either way - it's understandable (if easy) reasoning for an innocent, but also smooth for a wolf.

Inzil - Is posting relatively actively but I have no read on him whatsoever. I think this has happened before. He's a strong candidate for the one I'm reading through if I have time, as I have no idea about him.

Nienna - I have a similar problem with her as with Inzil - I just have no read on her. I'd love to have a closer look at her if I have time.

Folwren - Again, I've seen too little of her to judge properly. Nothing that would stand out as wolvish.

autume - Inzil's analysis of her looked pretty bad. But then again, she's pretty new (I assume; I've never played with her before) and all the inconsistence might be just due to that. Not sure. I'd like to know Lottie's arguments against her.

Lalaith - Is sensible and sweet (the latter might be partly due to the cute avvie, though!) to the point of being scary. I have no idea about her. Another I'd love to check.

Shasta - Falls into the "too little data" -category.

Sally - Again, too little of substance to go on with. Doesn't look like a Sallywolf this far, though.

TOO MANY IMPRESSIONS AKA CAUSES A HEADACHE:

Mira - Hmm. I didn't like her vote (the 5th for BG), she stated quite openly she votes her for reasons other than actual suspicion:

Originally Posted by Mirakeeperwhatever :p

Who I probably will be voting for toDay unless something better comes up within the next hour or so:
Blind Guardian - don't be posting that you want people to provide you with substance and then don't do anything to spark discussion.

I understand the frustration, but still - we're supposed to be looking for wolves, aren't we? Boro's hint to her was really confusing, as it implied that she had a protective role. Now it's possible that he dreamed of her, but I see a couple of problems in that. Firstly, he must have been the false Seer or she must have missed the hint because obviously she didn't protect him; and secondly, it doesn't make sense for the Seer to make such a show of being the Seer just for the sake of getting someone to protect them for the next Night (when, had they kept their mouth shut about being the Seer, they wouldn't have needed protection in the first place). If anyone has any idea whatsoever of this whole confusing Mira-business, I'd be very interested to hear it as my own don't make the slightest bit of sense.

Eonwe - Another who keeps messing with my head. My gut says innocent, but some of the stuff that's going on about him.. Still, I'm more inclined to find him innocent than not. I'll put him down as headache-causing though anyway.

Nog - Argh. I disagree with most of what he says and some of his arguments are just way off. For possibly the first time in our common ww history, though, I'm not especially suspicious of him. His sudden jump on Mac still looks bad, though. It didn't look wolf-on-wolf to me, it was too random and too sudden to serve any purpose that I can think of. If Mac isn't a wolf I'll look harder on Nog; if Mac is a wolf, I'm just baffled. He messes with my head enough to make it to this category, though.

Phantom - He's either not a wolf, or else my initial thought was correct and he is, in fact, Hera. Right now I'm more inclined to think the former.

LEANING GUILTY:

Mac - Like I believe I said previously, I will vote for him toDay unless something dramatic happens before I go to bed. The lead I have on him is, after all, rather better founded than my suspicion of anyone else.


EDIT: Ouch x-ed since phantom's 353, you people post way too fast!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

Well, now as you mention that. I have been wondering all a long why no one looks at the obvious connection of what the other part is - which is Hera of course.

"Be allied to wolves, be allied to lovers, be allied to Zeus" - who is it but Hera?

And I did notice tp nicely overlooked that interpretation in his otherwise thorough-looking close-reading of Boro's posting.

Or am I just unable to see something you all see?

*coughmyfirstposttoDaycough*

[the phantom]

Oh... my... God... Nog. I'm seriously about to strangle you.

You just completely repeated what's already been done today with Greenie and I!! Did you entirely skip our posts, or do you just hope that by bringing it up again Boro's posts will magically change to fit your view?

Once again, I repeat, Boro specifically explained that first post by saying that he had not been looking at the roles/affiliations carefully (due to the fact that it was 5 in the morning) and he mistakenly believed that Zeus was on the side of the village (i.e. allied with Zeus meant innocent).

Do I need to post his quote again?

Originally Posted by Boro

As for my Zeus remarks, I legit figured since he is my ultimate God of Gods (and sans the Disney version reviled the wench Hera) he was a defacto good guy. Wasn't thinking that indepth at 5:30 AM when I have important deliveries to run.

If the regular part of the statement wasn't clear enough for you, note the part inside brackets specifically mentions Zeus being in OPPOSITION to Hera!

If you're going to use his post to suspect me, you can't decide to ignore what he says later about his post. He knew he was a Seer, and thus knew we'd be looking back at his words should he die. Your case is so completely and obviously flawed (when Greenie made it she was honest enough to admit she didn't have great faith in it). To put it forth a second time like this sounds downright desperate, as if you came into the day with the plan of turning attention onto me.

And as for Rikae-

Originally Posted by Rikae

I would not put so much stock in Boro having said that; he was defending himself at that point, after all.

Don't put stock in what Boro says, but still use his words as a basis of suspicion? How convenient.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Don't put stock in what Boro says, but still use his words as a basis of suspicion? How convenient.

Way to oversimplify things. Why should we take what Boro said under pressure, in self-defense, more seriously than what he put in a post that we know contained hints, early in the day when he could essentially say whatever he liked?

- still reading -