WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Blind Guardian]

I'M HERE! I DONT WHAT TO SAY, NOR DO I HAVE ANY CLUE OF WHATS GOING ON! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO POST? A WHOLE BUNCH OF NONESENCE!? THAT'S WHAT GOT ME KILLED LAST TIME!! I can't win!

[Blind Guardian]

Kill me I just want to play a game and last more then one day

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I'M HERE! I DONT WHAT TO SAY, NOR DO I HAVE ANY CLUE OF WHATS GOING ON! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO POST? A WHOLE BUNCH OF NONESENCE!? THAT'S WHAT GOT ME KILLED LAST TIME!! I can't win!

Blind, it's actually just the same thing that got you lynched last game: you're obviously parroting other people, and forming no opinions of your own. Last game you copy-pasted someone else's suspicion-list; this time you didn't even try to hide the fact that you were just "suspecting" people because other people suspected them. I mean, you weren't even sure what I was supposed to have done, were you?

No, I'm not going to vote for you, unless I need to do so to save myself, or you do something really suspicious. At the moment you look to me more like an innocent who's made herself a target, again.

EDIT: X'd since BG at #204.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Before I forget:

++BG

[Blind Guardian]

But what else can I do? I'm just like that

[Blind Guardian]

This is a bandwagon again. Last time you lost your seer. THINK PEOPLE!

[Macalaure]

6 pages on Day1... and there's still two hours to go... I needs me a list.

Probably innocent
Rikae (argumentative plus defending me when I'm misunderstood, that's innocent-Rikae)

Fine with me
Kath (hasn't said much, but what she said I liked - defending me is the way to my heart )
Folwren (couldn't say anything bad about her)
Lalaith (simply no alarms)

Fine with me at the moment, but still wary
Wilwa (talks about roles too much, but since she helped planning, that's ok for now. Don't like her vote, though... really bad)
Nogrod (went on about Eonwe too much and followed Greenie with her suspicions of me, but otherwise fine, especially his vote)
Phantom (nothing bad to report yet, but you never know with him)

No clear opinion, but no alarms
BG (really don't get those votes, she's being herself perfectly)
Eonwe (I don't buy the cursed theory. If he is the cursed, he's aligned with good at this point and should behave that way. I don't think he would bend the rules like that)
Shasta
Sally

Somewhat suspicious
Lottie (vague bad feeling again)
Nienna (had a bad feeling about all her posts so far. Also: BG-voter)
Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)
Keepandir (just the vote. Annoyance might be cover for convenience)

High on my list, but not an aim toDay
Boro (I still think he made a hint, but I'll let it rest for now - don't come complaining to me when you feel his or his lover's fangs in your neck)

Baddie, baddie, bad, bad
Inzil (vague bad feeling from the beginning on; don't like the way he went after me; BG-voter)
Nerwen (I would have given her the benefit of the doubt with the hint-thing, but her behaviour around it now is suspicious. She dismissed it very casually and went after me instead, and now that Nogrod addressed it, she seemed very tense)
Autume (passive, going along with the crowd / after easy victims -type feeling, which, to her defense, is not out of character for her)

[Macalaure]

Raise your hand if you'd like to lynch somebody suspicious instead of BG.

Yes, she might not be very helpful, but that's not a good reason to lynch and you know that.

[Macalaure]

Foley -> Eonwe
Greenie -> Mac
Kath -> BG
Lalaith -> Boro
Inzil -> BG (2)
Nienna -> Eonwe (2)
Sally -> BG (3)
Nogrod -> Nerwen
Wilwa -> BG (4)
Keeper -> BG (5)
Rikae -> phantom

Bad votes: Inzil, Nienna, Wilwa, Keeper for joining/fueling pointless bandwaggons, Rikae for throwing away her vote.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Raise your hand if you'd like to lynch somebody suspicious instead of BG.

Yes, she might not be very helpful, but that's not a good reason to lynch and you know that.

Me! Me me me me!!!

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Raise your hand if you'd like to lynch somebody suspicious instead of BG.

Yes, she might not be very helpful, but that's not a good reason to lynch and you know that.

I am definitely with you on this one. I also know that we definitely see each other as enemies right now. As much as I have my suspicions about you I'm not sure I'm willing to vote for you just yet. Maybe it's because I feel the same way about the BG votes. It'd be an easy lynch and I don't agree with that.

Edit: x-ed with BG, Rikae, and Nerwen

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

6 pages on Day1... and there's still two hours to go... I needs me a list.
...
Somewhat suspicious
Nienna (had a bad feeling about all her posts so far. Also: BG-voter)
Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)
Keepandir (just the vote. Annoyance might be cover for convenience)

Baddie, baddie, bad, bad
Inzil (vague bad feeling from the beginning on; don't like the way he went after me; BG-voter)
Nerwen (I would have given her the benefit of the doubt with the hint-thing, but her behaviour around it now is suspicious. She dismissed it very casually and went after me instead, and now that Nogrod addressed it, she seemed very tense)

I want to touch on a few of the items you mentioned. For the most part I agree with your innocent list. I say most part instead of all because I'm not in your innocent list.

I know I've played with Nienna but can't seem to remember how she plays. However as you pointed out she's a BG voter. I think some of the people who have voted for BG have been throwing their votes away.

Not sure what you meant by this: Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)

I think you make a good point about Keeper. Maybe something to look at.

As you pointed out Inzil is a BG voter.

And I wanted to touch on Nerwen. To me her comment seemed innocent, and I didn't see her defending herself as being tense.

Edit: x-ed with up to post #237

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

But what else can I do? I'm just like that

You'll just have to learn better, or this will keep happening.

Meanwhile, I'd like to note that four of the five people who have voted BG played in the last game, when she got lynched in much the same way, and turned out to be the Seer.

Sure, she also played much like this as a wolf in her first game, but still... at the moment, it just seems like this is how she plays, whatever her role.

EDIT:X'd since BG at #210.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I'M HERE! I DONT WHAT TO SAY, NOR DO I HAVE ANY CLUE OF WHATS GOING ON! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO POST? A WHOLE BUNCH OF NONESENCE!? THAT'S WHAT GOT ME KILLED LAST TIME!! I can't win!

I'm sorry; it must be very frustrating. If you don't understand well enough to post anything but nonsense, though, and you really can't figure it out, where's the fun in that?
I don't like to see someone lynched for simply not catching on, but I can also understand why it happens. If you can't keep up you just end up as a question mark in everyone's mind, with nothing to go on either for or against you - and that's not how the game works.

Originally Posted by BG

But what else can I do? I'm just like that

Then, and don't take this the wrong way, why do you want to play WW at all? If you don't want to analyze and debate and so on, why bother? That's what it's all about.

I'm not going to vote BG because, well, it seems a little harsh at this point. The point about not participating has been made, and I don't see her as especially wolfish. I also don't see much purpose in voting for Steve: he hasn't had a chance to explain his "hint", and, if it was, he's on our side for now and we'll know when he isn't. Instead, I'm just going to do something that really should be done more often on day Ones everywhere:

++the phantom

For being the phantom.

Yeah. That felt good.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm sorry; it must be very frustrating. If you don't understand well enough to post anything but nonsense, though, and you really can't figure it out, where's the fun in that?
I don't like to see someone lynched for simply not catching on, but I can also understand why it happens. If you can't keep up you just end up as a question mark in everyone's mind, with nothing to go on either for or against you - and that's not how the game works.

I try. I didn't just copy and paste like what someone said, it just came out the same. I want to play, I want to get past day one!

[Rikae]

Hm, so Tum, do you mean the "it's frustrating to be alone with it" bit or the "I am a lover" bit? Or something else?

Originally Posted by Mac

argumentative plus defending me when I'm misunderstood, that's innocent-Rikae

Silly. I always defend you - even when we're not on the same side. You know that.

[Rikae]

Mac, I didn't throw away my vote. A vote for Phantom is always a vote well spent.

[Macalaure]

Autume, who, if not BG or me, would you like to lynch then, and why?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume, who, if not BG or me, would you like to lynch then, and why?

As I was looking at my list I am wondering about wilwa and her post for BG.

I am also not sure about Boro. He sure did stir up the pot, but I'm not sure that he's a wolf.

Looking at my list of players no one is jumping out at me screaming wolf. I'm wondering if they are one of the quiet ones.

You mentioned Zil. Is there something that makes you suspect him or you just suspect him on principle?

Edit: x-ed with up to #231

[Macalaure]

Autume: this might irk you now - or a few others - but I'll vote Nerwen. I suspect her, and you don't mention her. Since I don't really trust you, that makes perfect sense to me.

++Nerwen

[Blind Guardian]

Inzil

because he started this bandwagon and I'm mad.

[the phantom]

(Oh my goodness, you guys posted a lot while I was gone. I'm still catching up, so pardon me if this post seems a bit behind and silly, as it's as far as I've advanced in the discussions.)

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Regarding the Boro opening post incident-

Originally Posted by Rikae

but Phantom seems to have given it some thought before posting what he did, so I'd be interested in hearing what his intentions were.

I thought it was possible he was trying several things, and with my comment to him I hoped to engage him in dicussion and see if I could guess which based on his reaction. The thing that stood out to me wasn't the Zeus comment so much as his constant reference to the Seer. Given simple odds I knew it was unlikely, but- I had a brainwave that perhaps he was talking about the Seer so much the WWs would try to kill him (thinking he was a Seer "hiding in the open" as they say), when in fact he was the Cursed and wished to be turned!

And so I worded my comments to him rather vaguely, knowing that if he was in fact the Cursed he would know precisely how to interpret my comment and also he would assume that I was on his side given the fact that I had "spotted" what he was up to and hadn't sounded the alarm. And so if he were to hint back to me that I was on the right track, I would turn on him and blow the whistle.

I realize it sounds like a lot of effort for something that is such a slim possibility, but the idea of the cursed going over to the other side was just too large of a threat to sit by and not try something, just to be certain.

And indeed, I guess he didn't intend anything at all if we are to believe his quote from earlier today-

Originally Posted by Boro

As for my Zeus remarks, I legit figured since he is my ultimate God of Gods (and sans the Disney version reviled the wench Hera) he was a defacto good guy. Wasn't thinking that indepth at 5:30 AM when I have important deliveries to run.

Moving on now, I'm not sure about Nog's idea about making something of the responses to Boro, as at that stage I personally believe everyone was just itching to have something real to discuss- mechanics and hammering out rules etc. Stretching their legs. Had a Day 2 comment been over-analyzed and jumped on I'd be more likely to agree.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Re: Mac's comment about Nerwen - I thought that perhaps he was trying to confuse Persephone into picking Nerwen, who I doubted (and figured Mac doubted, since he didn't try to get her lynched) was actually Hades. I didn't really think a wolf would have made the comment Nerwen did, as it seemed too risky.

This was exactly what I thought upon viewing Mac's comment and Nerwen's comment before it, which is why for the time being Mac and Nerwen are firmly in my innocent column.

(back to reading, on page 5 now)

[Nerwen]

You know, Nogrod and Mac's suspicion of me, Mac's of Boro and tum's of Mac all come down to the following bit of illogic:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And this is a game where several people would need to hint at their mates or possible allies! So it would be incredible if no-one tried to make a contact!

And therefore, if you can't find proper hints, then any comment about the role "must" be a hint, even if it doesn't make sense as one.

EDIT:X'd since Mac's vote-post... and I see Nog's made this argument again.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if you gave it even an effort, if you protested even a bit more I could see the innocent frustration in there.

No, actually I don't believe you. I don't believe there's any "perfect" way I could have responded that would have convinced you of my innocence. Whatever I did, you'd be saying it was a sign of guilt and something else the perfect response of an innocent. Sorry, played with you too many times, Nogrod.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As that is the easiest way, trying to find another scapegoat rather than giving multiple choices which are more insecure others might go for... or are right in the beginning (which is the concern an innocent has).

Again, attributing motive to me: I wasn't "trying to find a scapegoat". I wanted explanations from Mac for his conduct.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also you seem to be avoiding some of the questions I made... like the fact that some people (especially Hades!) really need to try to establish a connection and you were one of the only ones a trial for that could be read out from.

See my last post for why this is invalid.

Edit: X'd since my last post.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, so Tum, do you mean the "it's frustrating to be alone with it" bit or the "I am a lover" bit? Or something else?

It was this line:

Originally Posted by Mac

Since we only have three, that's not a bad hint.

Edit: Changed coding

[Rikae]

Ok, in that case... that makes no sense at all.

[autume98]

I know there are rules about editing posts. So quick question, anyone here know if I can fix the quote since it shows: [quote ] [ /quote] I can't believe I forgot to preview my post before I hit Submit Reply.

Thanks in advance!

[Rikae]

I think that's probably fine, just note it in the "reason for editing" box.

EDIT: X'd with Lottie.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Raise your hand if you'd like to lynch somebody suspicious instead of BG.

Yes, she might not be very helpful, but that's not a good reason to lynch and you know that.

*raises hand*

Personally, I'd like to see Mac or Tum, but that doesn't look very likely. I do not like this BeiGei bandwagon. It's an easy, almost mindless vote.

EDIT: xed with Tum - if you mark that you changed coding, no one will be mad. Happens to all of us.