WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thanatos specifying the rules

Eros: Will NOT be able to guard himself (as he is also part Hunter)

Pah: WILL be able to guard himself but may only do so once.

So there is no ruling to deny the group-work from Eros and Pan? Really? Well, hey, we've used any loophole in the rules before as well - even if I have thought double-rangers always been against the spirit of the game...

So both seers reveal, we make a deal that Pan protects A and Eros B and the other way around the next Night and so on - until the wolves figure out who either Pan or Eros are and do away with one (they need not come forwards, just silently stick to the plan we others come up with). Well that's a head-on tactics which would surely cause a stir, and be a bit dangerous: just one of the guardians need to mess up with the rangering and we have the seer flushed out very early on and the wolves having a chance to go at her/him... but then again the wolves would need to check that out every Night (whether one of the rangers is missing her/his duties) and thus waste their kills... and thence not be able to find them just trying to kill the seers - unless we try to lynch one of them rangers of course... hmm.

Surely it's up to the seers to decide on this.

Being a sporty player I do personally dislike the automatic protection -idea. In a way it's a bit unfair - but this has it's dangers as well. So at least discussing it wouldn't be that unsporty? It would be quite a fool-proof way to grant our seer multiple Nights to dream - unless we had real bad luck or someone really messes up what s/he's supposed to do...


So what say you?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So what say you?

There are revenge-kills in play, too. We'd flush out the Seers and leave them to die at the hands of angry lovers. I think, besides the fact that it is rather unsportsmanlike, it's too dangerous.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loslote

There are revenge-kills in play, too. We'd flush out the Seers and leave them to die at the hands of angry lovers.

That's actually a good point (had to check the rules once again). And what's most dangerous, it's the wolves from the lover-pair that have the revenge-kills - so they'd have every reason to go for our seers - unlike if the revenge-kills were with the innocent parts of the love-relationships. True.

It requires the lover-pairs to have found each other though and the innocent one of them dying so it might take some time things get that far, but anyway you're right, it looks a bit too risky.

So let's forget the idea.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So there is no ruling to deny the group-work from Eros and Pan? Really? Well, hey, we've used any loophole in the rules before as well - even if I have thought double-rangers always been against the spirit of the game...

So both seers reveal, we make a deal that Pan protects A and Eros B and the other way around the next Night and so on - until the wolves figure out who either Pan or Eros are and do away with one (they need not come forwards, just silently stick to the plan we others come up with). Well that's a head-on tactics which would surely cause a stir, and be a bit dangerous: just one of the guardians need to mess up with the rangering and we have the seer flushed out very early on and the wolves having a chance to go at her/him... but then again the wolves would need to check that out every Night (whether one of the rangers is missing her/his duties) and thus waste their kills... and thence not be able to find them just trying to kill the seers - unless we try to lynch one of them rangers of course... hmm.

Surely it's up to the seers to decide on this.

Being a sporty player I do personally dislike the automatic protection -idea. In a way it's a bit unfair - but this has it's dangers as well. So at least discussing it wouldn't be that unsporty? It would be quite a fool-proof way to grant our seer multiple Nights to dream - unless we had real bad luck or someone really messes up what s/he's supposed to do...


So what say you?

An interesting idea. I suppose it's not any more risky that the rangers will get killed than that the seers will, and at least this way we'll have the benefit of all the seers' information out in the open, all the time.

But what's to prevent a false reveal from tying up one of the rangers?

EDIT: X'd with TP & Nog.

[Rikae]

Phantom - although I'm beginning to think this whole discussion better be wrapped up, so we can get on to more useful things - half the village may or may not matter, depending on which half the lovers are in.

And you talk about matters of "style" being bad "form" while you consider it bad "taste" to go against the dictates of the majority. Well, I reply that it is bad "taste" and "form" not to allow individual players to play according to their own "style", unless, that is, you prefer to play with a village of robots. Furthermore, if the lovers had indeed been barred from winning and without an alignment after their partners' death, trying to obscure that fact would mean, as you put it, "disturbing the balance set up by the Moderator."

But in general, I will say that I always put good form and fairness, as I see them, first - ahead of my own victory. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.

Originally Posted by Phantom

It is possible for Werewolves to miss hints, as at busy stages of the game it is nearly impossible to examine every last post of every person in complete detail, where as on the other hand no way would the WWs miss an open reveal.

As I said to Loslote, you were talking about wolves who have dreamt of the "seer". They would have a whole night to go over the quotes of this alleged seer and decide whether or not to kill xem, and, if they're in a situation where their choice of kill is especially important (which you're assuming) there is no reason to suppose they'll miss something that will be obvious to the villagers the next day, with exactly the same information.

EDIT: X'd with Phantom.