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Pitch, I'm a bit uneasy about the way you used the "exasperated innocent" explanation for both Izzy and Wilwa, and then lump them in similarly together toDay. I thought Wilwa and Izzy's behavior was quite different, and absolving two players with that one reason? Well, I don't know if I really buy it in Wilwa's case.
As for Wilwa bandwagoning on a fellow morph's vote, I think it's possible. She's been around long enough to see that it wouldn't *necessarily* leave a trail. As for Pitch killing Eomer and Lottie because they suspected him - that's not even necessary. Whoever the last morph is, as I said before, I'm almost certain they killed Lottie as a suspected gifted. I don't know about Pitch, but when I'm evil, getting the gifteds is priority number one. Trails? Those are nonsense anyway. There are very few wolves out there any more who will simply and straightforwardly kill those who suspect them (too obvious) or avoid killing them even if they think they're gifted (because of point #1 - there's nothing terribly risky about killing someone who suspects one. Everyone will just call it a framing attempt anyway). Thus, in response to Pitch's points here: Quote:
1. I don't think that's any more or less likely than the opposite. Since Pitch was one of those suspects, it makes him look nice and honest... a bit too much. 2. Eomer is always mysterious. However, it's nice to know that you, Pitch, found him giftedishly mysterious! |
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Additionally, I think Pitch's words toDay thus far seem pretty reasonable. Para looks fairly clean at the moment for his Wilwa vote, and his explanations yesterDay. I don't agree with the majority of winty's points, but that doesn't mean he's evil. Rikae? Always a tough one for me to figure out. She was laying low early on, at least more so than I might expect. However, yesterDay she looked more like the Rikae I remembered. She seemed to make some good points about Izzy. Her vote for Izzy seemed well-reasoned enough. Izzy and Shasta were the other two (along with Lottie and me) in the BG wagon. It's quite obvious everyone who voted BG wasn't a Metamorph, but I do think it's highly improbable there were no Metas involved. Shasta didn't vote, saying in the Admin Thread that he forgot about DL. Well, I guess it happens. He had been saying Wilwa would have been his vote. Anyone can say that, granted, but he'd also been suspecting her before, as I recall. Is wolf-on-wolf out of the question? No, but with only two of them left it would seem unnecessarily risky. Which leaves Izzy. The sudden vote against Rikae bothers me somewhat. It might have been a knee-jerk reaction of an innocent against suspicion, but it could also have been a seizure of opportunity in finding a plausible reason to vote for someone besides Wilwa.
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Here and reading.
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As for yesterDay - yep, I used the same expression in both cases. I guess the best I can say is that at the moment I'm not terribly proud of my reasoning yesterDay. Pitch enamoured with his Paramorphia theory, believing he's had a stroke of genius while everybody's concentrating on Izzy and wilwa , and getting carried away so far that he lets the real morph off the hook... and in the process drawing enough suspicion to himself that the last morph is probably leaning back with a bowl of popcorn right now. Not to mention the Cyberbear, or WereCyborg, or whatever it is whose kill Lottie managed to prevent last Night. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Alright, I'm caught up. Now I'll finish that analysis of Pitch from yesterday.
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Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV |
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![]() Pitch could be the last Meta, certainly. But do you really think it's likely Wilmorph would have been so blatant as to follow his vote on Para so quickly? If she'd waited a bit to test the wind, then done it if no one else questioned Pitch about it, I'd think it more plausible. EDIT: to respond to winty, a werebear kills at Night like a wolf, but he's by himself. He only wins if all the wolves die and he's left alive.
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Mellifluous Maia
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The situation as it stands now is ideal for a bear: only one competitor-morph left, but that one means the number of innocents decreases quickly - and, out of the gifteds, only the one who can't do the bear any harm left (and who might even end up treating the bear as a sort of "known innocent"!) |
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Scratch my thought that the 3rd party and Metamorph were both after Loslote. She merely blocked the thirds attack.
known innocent known morph Day 1: Loslote -> Pitch BG -> Loslote Izzy -> BG Shasta -> BG2 Paranoia -> BG3 Dun -> BG4 Wilwa -> Sally Day2: Pitch -> Paranoia Wilwa -> Paranoia Rikae -> Izzy Paranoia -> Wilwa Winty -> Pitch Dun -> Wilwa2 Loslote -> Wilwa3 Izzy -> Rikae Pitch -> Paranoia. If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW. Wilwa -> Paranoia I'm not going to vote for Inzil, because I have the feeling no one will go along with that. Ditto for Lottie and Shasta. So I'll go with my fourth option, though I wasn't originally planning on voting him, I'm willing to since I do find him suspicious and I'd rather not waste my vote toDay. Rikae -> Izzy #205. Yeah, Izzy's pretty suspicious, indeed. I don't see anyone more suspicious around, so: Paranoia -> Wilwa #211 Should I get lynched in the interrim, I'm laying down my suspicions as Pitch, Wilwarin, and Zul as a possibility. I am uneasy about Izzy but I don't feel too bad about her at the moment. I believe Shasta, Lottie, and Rikae as town. Winty -> Pitch Most Suspicious: Pitchwife, Wilwa, Noia, and Zil Dun -> Wilwa For previously stated reasons. Loslote -> Wilwa For, of course, previously stated reasons... Izzy -> Rikae You can deem it as OMGUS I suppose, though that isn't the reason. Yes we interpret what others do - but blatantly spinning it to fit your vote.. come on. - I could not find a reason for why Paranoia voted for Wilwa. Unless I am remembering wrong, one or two people have said that he looks good because he voted for WIlwa. Yet.. where is the reason for it? I actually don't see him discuss her at all in regards to his suspicions towards her. The previous Day, he had no read on her. Was this an OMGUS vote for her Paranoia? Or were you simply preemptively voting for her, because she looked like she might be in trouble? In the post you voted for her, you listed as you were suspicious of Pitch more thanyou were of Wilwa. So why vote her over him? -Winty's official vote was posts later after his list. If I remember correctly, he was having issues with the tagging. Again, where is the reason for your vote? -Dun. What previously stated reasons on Wilwa? I looked through all of yours posts from yesterDay and couldn't find a single instance of where you described your suspicions upon Wilwa. #221 you said she was still 'tops on your list'. Am I missing a page or something? X'd with every thing after #266
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On Pitch -
#18 - Banter. Asks Eomer what's suspicious about BG. #22 - Banter. Laments the fact that the Assassin can't reveal and act as a pseudoSeer. Asks Eomer if he's just stirring the pot. #26 - Tries to turn discussion away from the rules. #28 - Disagrees with Rikae about the effectiveness of a revealed Hunter. #39 - IC flattery of Inzil that I mentioned earlier, which fits my current working theory of Inziltraitor and Pitchmorph. Also flips a bit on his thoughts on discussing game mechanics in response to Lottie's suspicion of Wilwa... Quote:
#40 - Asks BG what she has to say about Eomer's suspicion of her. #42 - Numbered points in response to BG. This post seems almost naggy, and kind of nitpicky. Now, granted, several people (myself included) began pressing BG later in the day (about her list), but this is earlier in the day, and looks sort of like a preparatory witch-hunt. The question is, would a Pitchmorph be this obvious? #54 - Responses to Eomer. Ends up deciding not to vote him. Mentions that BG was a "loudmouth wolf[/b] in the previous game. #55 - Notes that Eomer's vote isn't highlighted. #158 - Analyzes the BG wagon (or at least relates it). Here's the bit I find fishy. Quote:
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#162 - Analyzes Eomer and his death. Suggests that he was killed because he had another Morph among his top suspects, or that he appeared Gifted (although this seemed to be an afterthought). Then says it would have made sense for Lottie and/or Wilwa to have killed Eomer to frame said top suspects. Then says it could have even been both. #165 - Responds to Izzy, but finds the fact that she voted BG so quickly suspicious. Doesn't think we should concentrate on the BG voters to the exclusion of all else, but doesn't think we should ignore them (no one really was, at this point). #166 - More "feelgoodery" in response to Inzil. #168 - Details his thoughts on Noia. This bit right here is interesting... Quote:
#171 - Details his thoughts on me. I've responded to most of this already, but it's worth noting that Pitch also takes the opportunity to plug his wilwa-suspicion here. There are several things in this post, as well, that make me think that this was preparatory to becoming an actual case on me, but was later aborted. I could, however, just have a tremendous ego. #172 - Asks if Mira was modfired. #173 - Details his thoughts on Lottie, Winty, Zil, Rikae, and Izzy. Trusts Lottie, sees nothing morphish about Winty, trusts Zil (of course), sees nothing morphish about Rikae, and suspects Izzy. #178 - Considers the most likely morphs to be Wilwa, Noia, me, and Izzy. Is set on Wilwa being a morph, quite firmly so. Starts pondering if Wilwa might be the Traitor instead. #187 - Mr. Agreeable rears his head again. Thinks I look better after my responses to his earlier post. #190 - Two things interesting here. Quote:
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#191 - Responds to Inzil's explanation of the flattery earlier. Also mentions that a Pitchmorph and a Zilmorph working together would look like Lottie's game (because playstyles never, ever change, right?) Also, starts trying to alleviate suspicion on Wilwa - this could be a Pitchmorph realizing that his morph-on-morphery has worked a little too well and trying to do damage control. #193 - Votes for Paranoia. Now there's a lot wrong with this. Rikae's gone through some of it, but I'd like to add that earlier on in the day Noia was apparently the least suspicious of the [b]BG]/b] voters, according to Pitch. #252 - Pops in to read the narration. #258 - A long post that basically comes down to "Oops." Pitch analyzes his own reasons for voting Paranoia yesterday and finds them to be not as great as he'd originally thought they were. #259 - Notes that he wouldn't be daft enough to leave a clear trail to himself as a morph with the kills. Then invalidates his post completely by noting that he used a defense that's not a defense at all. #266 - An extension of #259, basically, combined with an "Aw, shucks, they done fooled ol' Pitch again" vibe. Not buying it. Conclusion - After going through Pitch's posts individually I'm really thinking he's our last Morph. Also, something we're forgetting - a werebear tends to act exactly like an innocent would in any given situation, because they have no ties to anyone. That's what makes them so hard to catch. "Clearing" someone because of how they interacted with Wilwa, for instance, doesn't "clear" them at all. That took forever.
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Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV Last edited by Shastanis Althreduin; 06-15-2010 at 03:34 PM. Reason: X'ed with [b]winty[/b]. |
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Haunting Spirit
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Shasta - impressive case. Very impressive. So impressive that I'm almost convinced myself. What really sucks about it is that I think you're doing this with the best intentions, and I've given you all the fuel for it, and none of us is going to find the true morph like that.
Right now I'm seriously tempted to Nilp myself and help you lynch me (I'm sure winty will be glad to assist), just so that is cleared up and you can move on. Only it's not the best option with two killers still running loose toMorrow. And now I'm thinking in circles and cirles and circles, and have no clue what I can possibly say that won't make everything worse, and no idea whom to vote in good conscience. Bah. ![]()
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No, I didn't come out and say "I think Wilwa is a Metamorph". However, she was the only one I'd really suspected all day, so I didn't think I needed to spell it out. x/d with all since Izzy's last.
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Oh Moddess, dear, am I allowed to tease them? Just a little? Just to make them come out of hiding, of course, so they'll vote and discuss and such. Please?
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Winty. Have you thought about the possibility that both Eomer and Loslote were killed because they gave off Gifted vibes?
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In regards to Paranoia attempting to butter us up. He would more than likely kill the both of us off first. Your entire analysis on Paranoia looks more like you are trying to fit what he has said/done to fit your WereBorg theory. As opposed to reaching that conclusion after you analyzed him. You seem to be confident that what powers the WereBorg may or may not have, are more powerful than what the Morphs have. Is there anything to back this up? Or pure speculation? Is there also some clear statement that the Assassin can not do anything to the WereBorg? Or more speculation? Have you factored in the possibility that the Assassin perishes? "plus the Morph's only got their kill left" Did the morphs have something more than a Night kill? Dun. "Dun. If Wilwa and I were morphmates. Why throw my vote away on Rikae? Why not 'seize opportunity and find a plausible reason to vote for someone other than Wilwa', whom would keep her away from the noose? Some one like.. Paranoia for instance. I was the last vote, why not try and save her?" I copy/pasted my own for your benefit. Seems you missed it somehow. Care to answer? ![]() Shasta. Not even going to give Paranoia a chance to respond? Or.. anyone else really for that matter? You can not fit under timezone differences; because I believe you and Paranoia are in the same one... Paranoia. Pitch apparently is unconcerned with his survival. I call bluff tactic. Appeal to emotion? Shasta. Are you saying his past game defense is not helping, because of what happened in the past games? Or because meta is not so ehm relevant? The inner judge in me would say - you opened that door, first. I rather dislike this current position we are in. Last two votes.. myself and Dun?. I was planning on voting for Dun. plgh. X'd with Dun.
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Paranoia, Dun, and myself left to vote. Plgh more!
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I may not get a chance to post again toDay, and at this point I still find
++Pitch the most suspicious. If Pitch isn't, I really don't know who else even could be the final morph. Might as well go by reverse alphabetical order, it's as good as anything. Too many submarinish players on this ship! Promised discussion Paranoia and werebearery will have to wait until another time (or not, if I don't survive toNight, and I don't really expect to). A lot of that is based on a feeling/werebear experience, anyway. I'm confident, at this point, that Izzy is not the final morph, at any rate. Last edited by Rikae; 06-15-2010 at 04:36 PM. Reason: spelling |
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Huzzah!
Rikae-->Pitch
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Rikae-->Pitch
Shasta-->Paranoia
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I have prior engagements that will hold me until the DL, so I must vote now.
Because of reasons previously stated: ++Pitch |
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