How did Celeborn, Glorfindel and Beregond get their information ? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 06-08-2010, 10:45 AM

Glorfindel had left Rivendell nine days before he met the hobbits and Aragorn however they had travelled by slow routes and later with a gravely ill Frodo. It is 348 mile from Bree to Rivendell andso not far short of 400 from Woody End even as the crow flies which is more direct than even an elf must run . Frodo met Gildor on the night of the 24th Sept and Glorfindel leaves Rivendell on the 9th of October so there is a maximum of two weeks if Glorfindel left on the day the news arrived. I think that an average of 28 mile a day is eminently "doable" for swift and tireless elven feet - the three hunters managed 135miles in four days. And the message may have been relayed because of reference to the travelling companies. However they may have used Osanwe Kenta, a kind of elvish telepathy. It isn't like picking up a telephone - communication depends on the skill and degree of affinity of the communicants as well as distance. I can't find a suitable link and unfortunately it is an essay that hasn't been published in a widely available format.

Inziladun · 06-08-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

However they may have used Osanwe Kenta, a kind of elvish telepathy. It isn't like picking up a telephone - communication depends on the skill and degree of affinity of the communicants as well as distance. I can't find a suitable link and unfortunately it is an essay that hasn't been published in a widely available format.

Hm. Something along these lines?

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Often...[Celeborn, Galadriel, and Elrond] would sit together under the stars, recalling the ages that were gone and all their joys and labours in the world, or holding council, concerning the days to come. If any wanderer had chanced to pass, little would he have seen or heard, and it would have seemed to him only that he saw grey figures, carved in stone, memorials of forgotten things now lost in unpeopled lands. For they did not move or speak with mouth, looking from mind to mind; and only their shining eyes stirred as their thoughts went to and fro.

ROTK Many Partings (emphasis added)

An interesting thought. Perhaps Gildor or one of his people was able to fire a message to Elrond that way. After all, they were Noldor, and could be said to have had an 'affinity' with those in Rivendell.

Lindale · 07-16-2010, 01:46 PM

A quick question--where is this Osanwe Kenta written? I'm dead curious about this.

Rumil · 07-16-2010, 02:38 PM

Here you go Lindale -

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...ghlight=Osanwe

A cracking good thread from back in the mists of Barrowdownian time, though you'll recognise a few monickers. Whatever happened to Lindil anyway? A much missed poster!

**lindil** · 09-20-2010, 04:32 AM

It is not so much 'Elvish' telepathy, as a property of having a Fea [spirit].
Thus the Valar hold council this way [as do the elves in the RotK citation below]. But Aragorn and other Men with Disciplined minds [Denethor - for sure] also have skill here. So it has more to do with strength and purity of mind [reference Galadriel's words to frodo about knowing Sauron's mind, but he does NOT now hers.

06-08-2010, 10:45 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Glorfindel had left Rivendell nine days before he met the hobbits and Aragorn however they had travelled by slow routes and later with a gravely ill Frodo. It is 348 mile from Bree to Rivendell andso not far short of 400 from Woody End even as the crow flies which is more direct than even an elf must run . Frodo met Gildor on the night of the 24th Sept and Glorfindel leaves Rivendell on the 9th of October so there is a maximum of two weeks if Glorfindel left on the day the news arrived. I think that an average of 28 mile a day is eminently "doable" for swift and tireless elven feet - the three hunters managed 135miles in four days. And the message may have been relayed because of reference to the travelling companies. However they may have used Osanwe Kenta, a kind of elvish telepathy. It isn't like picking up a telephone - communication depends on the skill and degree of affinity of the communicants as well as distance. I can't find a suitable link and unfortunately it is an essay that hasn't been published in a widely available format. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-16-2010, 01:46 PM	#3
Lindale Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: midway upon... in a forest dark Posts: 975	A quick question--where is this Osanwe Kenta written? I'm dead curious about this. __________________ The heart does things for reasons Reason itself cannot comprehend. - Blaise Pascal Legal Madness.

07-16-2010, 02:38 PM	#4
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Here you go Lindale - http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...ghlight=Osanwe A cracking good thread from back in the mists of Barrowdownian time, though you'll recognise a few monickers. Whatever happened to Lindil anyway? A much missed poster! __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

09-20-2010, 04:32 AM	#5
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	It is not so much 'Elvish' telepathy, as a property of having a Fea [spirit]. Thus the Valar hold council this way [as do the elves in the RotK citation below]. But Aragorn and other Men with Disciplined minds [Denethor - for sure] also have skill here. So it has more to do with strength and purity of mind [reference Galadriel's words to frodo about knowing Sauron's mind, but he does NOT now hers. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.