WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[satansaloser2005]

At the time rationale, by the way:

Paranoia probably is not a wolf because I don't think Shasta would put two newbies in a wolf pack, even with Boro. I know it's meta, but I think that if (for instance) Paranoia, Tum, and Blind were drawn as wolves, Shasta would be like "erm, no" and redraw. Of course if there's another very experienced wolf around (which most of us would be if we were in that role) it could happen. Dunno.

Cel just doesn't give wolf vibes. I know she's busy, but I think she'd be trying a bit harder if she was a wolf. (Not that I think she's trying to slack, but I think she would at least stir up more discussion if she didn't want to be dead weight.)

Nog should be in this game, because he should be a wolf in it. He's not. So wrong.

Morsul's either evil or just not helpful. Either way he's not an asset to the village, so while I'd much rather vote a confirmed wolf over him I'd be very happy to be rid of the possible faily danger he brings with him.

I've got no reasoning on Tum, because....well, I'm used to her in RL so I'm still getting used to her in WW and it's hard to read her yet.



Dun, actually, grows more and more light as I read his posts. However, I know how dangerous it is to underestimate him so I went with caution on my list.

Lottie's innocent in my brain, at least right now. But she's....weird. Can't explain.

I don't have anything to say about Mira, which is disconcerting, but I'm feeling good shiny things about her so I'll have to analyze (both of) her later to see what I think properly.


EDIT: x'd with Paranoia

[satansaloser2005]

You know what'd be great? Make the wolves get modfired (sort of).

So assuming most of us already hadn't voted for Blind, we could have gone for X, Y, or Z. I know, it'd be possibly reducing our numbers, but we do know Blind's a wolf, so we could take down their pack and leave them for later. She probably would either go along with the majority (which tells us nothing, alas) or make crap up (the same) but she'd really just be dead weight, if she even voted at all. We have known baddies build up and then we just lynch them off in a row. Ah, it'd be so great.

(Alternatively, this would be better in a game with multiple lynches. Leave people hanging out and then lynch like three wolves in a Day. It'd be a good feeling.)


Sorry. Had the thought and it just made me cackle. I need to put in some laundry, watch Dr. Horrible (again), and read through the thread.



ETA: The modfire mention was for if we could get the wolf to just not vote at all. They'd not do it because it'd be letting us get a free lynch, but it would be funny. *shrug*

[satansaloser2005]

Seriously, how are there no posts?

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Seriously, how are there no posts?

Simple. Follow the cop blues. -__- So many people let the cop (or seer as you guys know it) lead where I'm at as soon as they claim they all but shut down when they decided on a lynch for the day. It gets really aggravating, really quick. Not much is benefited for the town if everyone's sitting in limbo so uh... guys? Pick it up?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, come on, people. What do you all think of each other?

Suspicious:
BeiGe
Morsul?
Noia?
Sally????? (Not at all sure there, but Zil makes good points...)

Innocent:
Nerwen
Me
Mira?
Xed?
Zil?

Not a clue:
Tum

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I don't have time at the moment to give my impressions of everyone, but I think tum deserves some serious attention toDay for going along with Boro and voting McCaber. Along with BG, it looked like she was obviously trying to save Boro, and with so many people saying why voting Cab was not a good idea for the village, I see no legitimate reason tum would have done it anyway.

This is a really good point, but I have a hard time believing there were no innocents at all in that bandwaggon. Could be, but I think that'd be wacky.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Hmm. Slow toDay, innit?

Let's see. With BG gone toDay, two wolves left. And who might they be?

Looking back, there was an effort to avoid lynching Boro, and at the same time stay away from the poisonous McCaber vote. Who was behind that?

The "hints" that Sally gave for her reasons she thought Boro might be a Gifted did not give me the same idea. I thought that was a serious reach.

"All innocents together"? Really?

"I'm not a wolf".

Now here, Sally says that she thought Boro was hinting at being the Ranger or the Hunter, and she believed from that Nerwen was the Seer. Question: if she thought Nerwen was the Seer, why this effort to save Boro, when Nerwen was heavily pushing for his lynch well before she revealed? Something doesn't quite add up.

Like I said above, that's a very good point. All of a sudden, I'm not feeling as happy about Sally as I was earlier...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Morsul's either evil or just not helpful. Either way he's not an asset to the village, so while I'd much rather vote a confirmed wolf over him I'd be very happy to be rid of the possible faily danger he brings with him.

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Lottie's innocent in my brain, at least right now. But she's....weird. Can't explain.

I have to agree with you about Morsul, although I'm more inclinded to think him evil.

Also, didn't we already know I'm weird?

Originally Posted by Paranoia

Not much is benefited for the town if everyone's sitting in limbo so uh... guys? Pick it up?

Eh, I'm working on that now, but I'm actually going to have to leave early - friend's graduation party - so I'm not going to be around at dl. Sowie.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by autume98

Yes I did put my vote in early. At the time, I really didn't have any suspicions, and I had to vote because a strong storm had come through earlier in the day and knocked out the power in parts of the city. The internet kept on going down, and I didn't NOT want to vote. I saw voting for Cabs my best option. I didn't want to put a vote in for an innocent.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'll have to go back, but I think he became more of a candidate after I voted. I do remember talk about the reasoning for voting vs. not voting for Cabs. If Boro was a main suspect that would be me not understanding that he was a suspect at the time.

There are such things as timestamps, tum. You were around for over an hour yesterDay, which I believe is quite long enough to get an idea of what was going on. Also, you made six posts in that time. In three of them (#249, #254, #257) you defended Boro; in three (#257, #263, #273) you discussed Boro's vote-plan. Yet now you say you didn't realise he was under suspicion? Really?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And yeah, I just assumed she suspected him. Besides, since I was squirming about the possibility of Boro being a gifted (which he thankfully wasn't, so while I'm not happy Nerwen had to come out I'm glad that got sorted) I didn't think it all the way through. Basically I was going for gifted preservation, or at least trying to.

But why did you think I was the Seer, then? Who did you think I had dreamed?

EDIT:X'd with Loslote.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But why did you think I was the Seer, then? Who did you think I had dreamed?

Well I thought you were gifted, and I just kind of placed a seer label on you, I suppose. I figured Boro was safer making the "hints" he was if (assuming he'd been being truthful) he was the ranger or hunter.


I had no idea. That was one of my tasks to investigate. But then you told us, so I was like "derp, I should have seen that coming".


Laundry time. Back in a couple. Oh, and I'm having some serious eye issues tonight so in advance forgive any and all typos and any misreading I may do. Thanks so much (and I can't wait to get new glasses)!

[Blind Guardian]

Btw, Noia's a wolf. 'cause I know.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well I thought you were gifted, and I just kind of placed a seer label on you, I suppose. I figured Boro was safer making the "hints" he was if (assuming he'd been being truthful) he was the ranger or hunter.


I had no idea. That was one of my tasks to investigate. But then you told us, so I was like "derp, I should have seen that coming".

And yet, Sally, if you think a person is the Seer, and that person keeps going after another, repeatedly says he "feels furry" etc., and finally outright asks you to lynch him... well, I mean, there's a pretty obvious conclusion to be reached there, no?

EDIT:X'd with tum and Wolf Guardian.

[Paranoia]

Honestly, I don't buy into the "Sally is a wolf." bit based on her push at the end of day 2; she was actively pushing the Blind Wolf lynch right up until Nerwen's seer claim; honestly I find it doubtful that she even would do this, as if her aim was to save Boro, she would have pushed *anyone* but BG. And if she thought Nerwen was the seer, there'd been no point in her pushing the lynch so Boro could have slipped on by today as a gifted; the only way this would make sense is if Sally planned on Nerwen being the night 2 kill. OH WAIT.

Then things make a bit more sense. Trade off a newbie wolf in favor of say... an experienced one. Kill the seer while everyone is looking elsewhere and let boro slide for a day. Maybe two; kind of unlikely in the slide by case; as far as I can tell, it was a deliberate attempt at just trying to end things before Nerwen had a chance to claim; either way, I'd kinda request that Nerwen investigate Sally.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

There are such things as timestamps, tum. You were around for over an hour yesterDay, which I believe is quite long enough to get an idea of what was going on. Also, you made six posts in that time. In three of them (#249, #254, #257) you defended Boro; in three (#257, #263, #273) you discussed Boro's vote-plan. Yet now you say you didn't realise he was under suspicion? Really?

Thanks for pointing that out. Like I said I would have to go back, and I still hadn't the chance to do that. I had forgotten about the part where people were finding Boro suspicious due to his vote. (I probably shouldn't look at WW while I'm at work, and I end up playing with one eye over my shoulder ) And I kinda was on for over an hour according to the time stamps. However I'm still getting the hang of everything, and it didn't help that I kept losing my concentration due to the internet cutting in and out. I'm sure as I play more games I'll get better at all of this.

As for defending Boro, it looks like I did defend him in post #254. The other posts I was either agreeing with him or talking about vote-plan. It was a bad call on my part to think that he might be innocent. I'm just glad that he's gone, and that another wolf is going down.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by autume98

Thanks for pointing that out. Like I said I would have to go back, and I still hadn't the chance to do that. I had forgotten about the part where people were finding Boro suspicious due to his vote.

How did you manage to forget that, tum? You posted on exactly two topics yesterDay, and that was one of them.

Originally Posted by autume98

(I probably shouldn't look at WW while I'm at work, and I end up playing with one eye over my shoulder ) And I kinda was on for over an hour according to the time stamps. However I'm still getting the hang of everything, and it didn't help that I kept losing my concentration due to the internet cutting in and out. I'm sure as I play more games I'll get better at all of this.

As for defending Boro, it looks like I did defend him in post #254. The other posts I was either agreeing with him or talking about vote-plan. It was a bad call on my part to think that he might be innocent. I'm just glad that he's gone, and that another wolf is going down.

At #249 you said,

Originally Posted by tum

I noticed Boro is under suspicion for bandwagoning Lottie yesterday. Is this the only evidence we have on Boro is there something else?

I should call the use of "only" there a subtle defence, implying as it does that his clearly opportunistic vote wasn't really suspicious. And at #257 you said

Originally Posted by tum

I'm not convinced Boro's vote is enough to vote for him.

Brief defences, true– but considering the only topics you discussed yesterDay were a.) Boro and b.) Boro's plan, I find it significant. Oh, and the bolding is mine. #249 was your very first post of the Day, and you were clearly well aware of the situation then.

EDIT: clarity; X'd with Zil.
EDIT2: formatting.