WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[Morsul the Dark]

I can't add reasons now?... When I posted she seemed to be going along with the banter the play just added to the reason... I don't understand your point.

[Inziladun]

Hmm. So Boro and BG have votes already. What to make of that?

YesterDay I wasn't too impressed with Boro's reasoning for voting Lottie. It looked extremely bandwaggonish, coming after Glirdan's vote.

I already didn't like the way he seemed to be saying two contradictory things about Nienna here:.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

I made a comment on that, and Boro answered thusly:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Maybe to you, but to me it says I'm telling Nienna I like her usual business-like approach, but not the content.

Now to me, when you say a post makes someone look innocent, you're saying you think their words are those of an innocent. Granted, I'm notoriously pedantic, but that did seem rather wishy-washy.

Boro's response to suspicion toDay doesn't look too bad, though.

And BG?

I've thought some of her newbieness was so overt as to be suspect. Then again, I have to wonder if she was a wolf, if her packmates wouldn't have told her to tone it down last Night.

Lynching either of them might tell us something useful, but I'd like to look at some others to avoid tunnel vision here.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I can't add reasons now?... When I posted she seemed to be going along with the banter the play just added to the reason... I don't understand your point.

You can add reasons now, technically, but you shouldn't use it as explanation for previous suspicion. Also, your logic itself is faulty. Nerwen's play was anything but going along with the banter. If you want to suspect someone based on the banter, suspect me or BeiGe - the ones who were doing the bantering.

[Morsul the Dark]

hence my BlindGuardian vote.. the reason it made Nerwen suspicious Vs. you... you Always banter she's usually fairly serious

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

hence my BlindGuardian vote.. the reason it made Nerwen suspicious Vs. you... you Always banter she's usually fairly serious

Yeah, I do always banter, I'm not going to argue that. But Nerwen didn't really banter much herself. Her play was more rolling her eyes at the banter, or at least, that's what I got from it.

[Morsul the Dark]

Rereading it I see what you mean... Though you have to admit at a glance it does seem reminiscent of your many song parodies(I spelled reminiscent correctly proud of self.)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Rereading it I see what you mean... Though you have to admit at a glance it does seem reminiscent of your many song parodies(I spelled reminiscent correctly proud of self.)

I don't see the connection, really. But glad to see I wasn't completely off.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Now to me, when you say a post makes someone look innocent, you're saying you think their words are those of an innocent. Granted, I'm notoriously pedantic, but that did seem rather wishy-washy.

I just think there's a difference between attitude and the content. Like Lottie usually winds up saying several confusing things and writing creepy song parodies that get her in trouble. However, be PM buds with her for a day and you'll also find out she's quite the feisty, aggressive wolf-huntress. I mean in that relationship I found myself being the calmer and tempered one, and that rarely happens.

Yesterday, she just confused me and was distant from the action until the end of the day. People may think it's a weak reason for a vote, but it was a vote and at the start of today it looked like everyone's just assuming she's innocent and ignoring the fact that an innocent got lynched. So, I make this vote that apparently was a weak one, but besides Lottie there shouldn't be many who have insight to her role, and I'm definitely suspicious of those who are claiming that I made a bad vote with terrible reasons.

Today, she's been feisty and in the action, which seems typical Lottie and good to see, but I do not like the content she's been saying about me! It's essentially what I meant about Nienna yesterday, it was good to see her "cut the banter, I'm going to make my posts mean something" attitude, but not the rather random advice for the seer.

Boro's response to suspicion toDay doesn't look too bad, though.

Well, I actually agree with Nerwen, I've been disappointed so far in my own participation. I find myself loving the game mechanics and "bonus" options, but I don't have the time to partake in more. I mean I'm probably going t be in bed within the hour, because literally my weekdays I spend over half the day preparing for work, driving to/from work, and work. So, I may seem a bit of a grouch the first few days, that's nothing anyone's done, just my own exhaustion setting in. (I think I was the one who called you lazy Morsul, didn't mean any offense. My frustration is I'm able to find time after 13 hours a day away from a computer, at work, and still play and vote than there really is no reasonable excuse for anyone aside from bad internet or being straight out sick. I mean you might not like having to make a decision based on 3 pages of banter, but it screws the rest who do make that voting decision as well as just being kind of rude to the Mod.)

I'm feeling a little less curmudgeonly than the start of the day. The thing about the start is it was like it was determined I drew the short straw today and everything was building fast for every possible reason.

1. Didn't like my vote - sorry, but how is it bad again? And how can anyone say it was weak and easy when multiple people didn't even vote at all, and then others at the end voted to lynch an innocent Nienna? For what reason? She voted for a newbie on Day 1?

I guess it was a throw away on her part, she couldn't have expected a new player to get lynched on Day 1, but she voted for someone who up to that point didn't post at all. I was going to ask her why she didn't vote McCaber, who is not a new player and had not shown up, and yet again hasn't shown up. This has got me in trouble for suggesting it before, but as far as I know right now McCaber is going to get mod-fired if he doesn't come on to vote. We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

2. I killed Izzy because her vote meant I thought she was the seer - Now I always want to kill the seer early as a wolf, because fact is I'm likely going to be an early seer dream. But newsflash for you, I don't freak out about every single person who votes for me and think IZZY VOTED FOR ME SHE HAS TO BE THE SEER! Izzy's a savvy vet, and to give away her dream that easily, is not only bold but I don't see it. Also, the fact that of the multiple people who voted towards the end yesterday I swear 3-4 of you announced some sort of suspicion, or uncomfortability about me (including Paranoia trying to take back his vote and vote for me)...that would raise my alarms of a possible seer much more than Izzy voting for me.

Has it even been considered that Izzy, who would have known one wolf was taking directions of who to vote for, from the wolf that she knew? There were a lot of people who said I looked suspicious yesterday, but nope, I killed Izzy because I freaked over the 1 vote for me.

3. Some mysterious narrational hint, that wasn't a hint at all and Mira back-pedalled from.

4. Saying I'm going to "curl into a ball."

So 3-4 I might be exaggerating a bit, but seriously at the start of the day I had everything being thrown at me...at least I haven't heard the "Boro's looking too desperate in defending himself" Probably because I can't participate much, and after this post, wonder if that one will be added to the laundry list.

Edit: crossed with several, but hey tum's showed up, don't have to worry about that. McCaber?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I just think there's a difference between attitude and the content.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's essentially what I meant about Nienna yesterday, it was good to see her "cut the banter, I'm going to make my posts mean something" attitude, but not the rather random advice for the seer.

I understand what you meant, now. It wasn't terribly clear earlier.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My frustration is I'm able to find time after 13 hours a day away from a computer, at work, and still play and vote than there really is no reasonable excuse for anyone aside from bad internet or being straight out sick. I mean you might not like having to make a decision based on 3 pages of banter, but it screws the rest who do make that voting decision as well as just being kind of rude to the Mod.)

I can understand that as well. Day 1 I slept and worked virtually the whole Day, and had to make a mad dash to make it in time to vote, having about 2 minutes to skim the thread.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

This makes sense to me, yet at the same time I'm almost tempted to vote for them.

I may have to vote soon because my internet keeps on going out, and I don't want to not vote again. I'm soooo loving that idea...NOT! Especially since it doesn't look like there's a lot to go off of. I'm not convinced Boro's vote is enough to vote for him.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It wouldn't if the wolves didn't get a Night kill. Since they do, it would be more like yet another double kill for the wolves - and that's not exactly an ideal situation.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

I can see where Boro's coming from - the non-voters are annoying and I don't appreciate them getting to live when the participating people are lynched - but it would be a waste of a lynch. Unless we have reason to think xe is a wolf, I wouldn't vote them. Still, please people, participate!

EDIT: xed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I'm really not liking this post. I can understand his logic, but at the same time it seems like he's trying to be too careful. Then again, at the same time I haven't seen him as too suspicious (at least not without taking a closer look at him) so I think I'm just reflecting everyone else's paranoia.

If someone's going to get modfired, let them get modfired. For all we know Cabbie is a gifted and if we use him as our "backup lynch" that could end even worse than if we use someone some of us, I don't know, suspect.


List in a moment I believe.


EDIT: x'd with Lottie, bolding

[satansaloser2005]

Hold on. Only two people have voted so far? Surely I've missed some!


Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm really not liking this post. I can understand his logic, but at the same time it seems like he's trying to be too careful. Then again, at the same time I haven't seen him as too suspicious (at least not without taking a closer look at him) so I think I'm just reflecting everyone else's paranoia.

If someone's going to get modfired, let them get modfired. For all we know Cabbie is a gifted and if we use him as our "backup lynch" that could end even worse than if we use someone some of us, I don't know, suspect.

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

1. Didn't like my vote - sorry, but how is it bad again? And how can anyone say it was weak and easy when multiple people didn't even vote at all, and then others at the end voted to lynch an innocent Nienna? For what reason? She voted for a newbie on Day 1?

I guess it was a throw away on her part, she couldn't have expected a new player to get lynched on Day 1, but she voted for someone who up to that point didn't post at all. I was going to ask her why she didn't vote McCaber, who is not a new player and had not shown up, and yet again hasn't shown up. This has got me in trouble for suggesting it before, but as far as I know right now McCaber is going to get mod-fired if he doesn't come on to vote. We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

I agree with this. I really see nothing wrong with your vote. Granted I haven't played much with you so don't really know how you play or vote. I also agree that there are those that haven't voted. I know I am included in that, however I was traveling so wasn't able to. As long as my internet continues to work, I will be voting toDay.

I do wonder where everybody has been. It seems that there isn't much to go on. Pretty much some of the votes from yesterDay, but even that doesn't seem like a lot to go off of.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So 3-4 I might be exaggerating a bit, but seriously at the start of the day I had everything being thrown at me...at least I haven't heard the "Boro's looking too desperate in defending himself" Probably because I can't participate much, and after this post, wonder if that one will be added to the laundry list.

This just made me laugh. Sounds like you have a reputation around here.

Edit: x-ed with Inzil

[satansaloser2005]

Our esteemed mod is unable to grace us with his presence this Evening. That being said, he's asked me to call DL and all that rubbish, and I'll be texting him the lynch result, so there won't be a big lull in information or anything. I love considerate mods! *snuggles Shasta* So yeah, that's about it. Continue!

[Loslote]

Edited out smilies.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

1. Didn't like my vote - sorry, but how is it bad again? And how can anyone say it was weak and easy when multiple people didn't even vote at all, and then others at the end voted to lynch an innocent Nienna? For what reason? She voted for a newbie on Day 1?

I guess it was a throw away on her part, she couldn't have expected a new player to get lynched on Day 1, but she voted for someone who up to that point didn't post at all. I was going to ask her why she didn't vote McCaber, who is not a new player and had not shown up, and yet again hasn't shown up. This has got me in trouble for suggesting it before, but as far as I know right now McCaber is going to get mod-fired if he doesn't come on to vote. We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

2. I killed Izzy because her vote meant I thought she was the seer - Now I always want to kill the seer early as a wolf, because fact is I'm likely going to be an early seer dream. But newsflash for you, I don't freak out about every single person who votes for me and think IZZY VOTED FOR ME SHE HAS TO BE THE SEER! Izzy's a savvy vet, and to give away her dream that easily, is not only bold but I don't see it. Also, the fact that of the multiple people who voted towards the end yesterday I swear 3-4 of you announced some sort of suspicion, or uncomfortability about me (including Paranoia trying to take back his vote and vote for me)...that would raise my alarms of a possible seer much more than Izzy voting for me.

Has it even been considered that Izzy, who would have known one wolf was taking directions of who to vote for, from the wolf that she knew? There were a lot of people who said I looked suspicious yesterday, but nope, I killed Izzy because I freaked over the 1 vote for me.

3. Some mysterious narrational hint, that wasn't a hint at all and Mira back-pedalled from.

4. Saying I'm going to "curl into a ball."

So 3-4 I might be exaggerating a bit, but seriously at the start of the day I had everything being thrown at me...at least I haven't heard the "Boro's looking too desperate in defending himself" Probably because I can't participate much, and after this post, wonder if that one will be added to the laundry list.

Edit: crossed with several, but hey tum's showed up, don't have to worry about that. McCaber?

1. Because I didn't think that sort of vote was something you would do. But I agree that the no-shows are a bit annoying.

2. Okay, when I first read this, I got all excited because I thought he'd revealed, and then I read further.

3 - 4. But that's so obviously evil! It's really the only definitive proof we have!

Anywho, this whole post is very vexing to me, because it looks rather innocent. And that means I have to think rather than just keep suspecting him (which is, as you all know, much easier). Now my poor little brain is all awhirl with confusion, because my gut says "noooo! wolf!!! lynch!" but my mind is saying "are you sure you're not just retaliating? keep him around for another Day!" and I don't know which to follow.