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Old 05-15-2010, 03:55 PM   #1
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I don't think it's been done yet, so, at 25 translations:

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"Door, but now Bixu Xiang this line because it was more than a foot in the schools, roads and community needs. Well, as I do not know."
Any guesses?
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:46 PM   #2
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But what do you make of this:

25 translations. Eönwë's forbidden to guess.
And I guess I am forbidden too. Hilarious, though!

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I don't think it's been done yet, so, at 25 translations:



Any guesses?
Honestly puzzled
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Old 05-15-2010, 05:35 PM   #3
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And I guess I am forbidden too.
I'm afraid so...

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I say! 'Bixu Xiang' sounds like it could be some place in Khand, or rather Far Rhûn, where the stars are different etc. Not sure that's canonical, though...

But d'you all know what, since this turning more and more into a quote quiz after all (and maybe predictably so, although I didn't foresee it when I started it) I've been thinking whether we shouldn't try to establish some order of procedure rather than go on posting new translations while there are still a lot unidentified. So if you think this is fun enough to continue, I suggest we* start a new thread in Quotable Quotes**, and either
  • repost all hitherto unidentified quotes there, and whoever guesses the last one gets to ask a new one, or
  • we all reveal the quotes to our hitherto unidentified translations on this thread, and start afresh on the other one.
Seeing how weird some of the results have turned out, it might also be wise to set a maximum of e.g. 10 or 25 translation rounds.
Thoughts, suggestions, criticism?
*(probably meaning myself, as the original thread owner, but I'd be perfectly fine with someone else doing it once we've agreed on how to handle it.)
**(Yes, Urwen, I know you've tried to do that already... shall we just say, great minds are sometimes ahead of their time and therefore misunderstood by their contemporaries?)
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Old 05-15-2010, 05:47 PM   #4
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Sounds like a good idea. How about we just reveal our quotes? Mine was "The Road Goes Ever On and On" - the Bixu Xiang showed up after a Chinese translation early on.
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Old 05-15-2010, 06:33 PM   #5
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Mine was "The Road Goes Ever On and On" - the Bixu Xiang showed up after a Chinese translation early on.
*major headdesk (or facepalm: I'm not sure which applies here, but meaning "I'd never have guessed that")*
Care to give some of the intermediate stages?

And thanks for the feedback. Maybe this has the potential for two threads - a quizzy one in QQ, and a more linguistically-minded one enquiring into how exactly these translations turn out the weird way they do. I'd be quite interested in the latter, and I imagine some others might be, too, but probably not that many - and if the thread turned into this direction, it might be considered misplaced in Mirth, and possibly off-topic altogether on a Tolkien forum. Comments, opinions (esp. by the Mods)?
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Old 05-16-2010, 04:31 AM   #6
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But d'you all know what, since this turning more and more into a quote quiz after all (and maybe predictably so, although I didn't foresee it when I started it) I've been thinking whether we shouldn't try to establish some order of procedure rather than go on posting new translations while there are still a lot unidentified. So if you think this is fun enough to continue, I suggest we* start a new thread in Quotable Quotes**, and either
  • repost all hitherto unidentified quotes there, and whoever guesses the last one gets to ask a new one, or
  • we all reveal the quotes to our hitherto unidentified translations on this thread, and start afresh on the other one.
Seeing how weird some of the results have turned out, it might also be wise to set a maximum of e.g. 10 or 25 translation rounds.
Thoughts, suggestions, criticism?
*(probably meaning myself, as the original thread owner, but I'd be perfectly fine with someone else doing it once we've agreed on how to handle it.)
**(Yes, Urwen, I know you've tried to do that already... shall we just say, great minds are sometimes ahead of their time and therefore misunderstood by their contemporaries?)
A similar Game thread started already as early as 2000 Another mistranslation ! and lasted until 2005

And this one:Lost in Translation
People used this to translate, something very like the site Pitchwife found.
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Old 05-16-2010, 02:33 PM   #7
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Ah, so I've once more re-invented the wheel, it seems. Serves me right for not searching. Thanks for the links, Guinevere! *goes browsing*
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:51 PM   #8
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Just two more not-guessing ones

Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, etc., became, after 25 translations "Tom Bombadil was a man full of shoes, blue and yellow jacket. Adam was arrested when he was gentelman. Play music and leg heal quickly." Hmm, I do not think Tom Bombadil would recognise it.
I tried one line, just one! And "Rowan mine, I saw you shine, upon the summer's day," becomes "Raun, I look to the summer," in ten translations. Sorry if I broke the rules by volunteering these.
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Old 05-28-2010, 06:25 PM   #9
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Hi Orofarne, and welcome to the Downs if I haven't welcomed you yet!
Up to now, no rules about how to continue this have been agreed on, so you certainly can't have broken any.
Funny translations, anyway. You may or may not be aware of this, but Tom Bombadil's nature and identity has been a much discussed topic on these Downs, and one suggestion offered I don't know when & where by I don't know whom was that Tom & Goldberry represent an unfallen version of Adam & Eve, so I find it quite fascinating that 'Adam' would pop up in this context... wonder which language did that.
And this is rather off-topic Tolkienwise, but you inspired me to try
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When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?
which after only 10 translations became
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When he beat Adam and Eve, who is that?
PS *points to your signature* Exactly!
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