Did Maedhros kill Laughter?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Accidentally stepping on bugs. Unlike Maedhros, she never stepped on heads, nor caused blood of Tuor and her other kinsmen to flow down the landscape of Dor-Lomin!

Well, exactly. Maedhros ends up having quite enough terrible deeds to his name without you throwing in extremely indirect and dubious stuff like that.

And you see, Urwen, about the bugs Lalaith stepped on– I happen to know one of them was a butterfly. Had that butterfly only lived, many insect-generations later one of its remote descendants would have flittered in front of Nienor's eyes and distracted her from being hypnotised by Glaurung.

There you have it: the incest and suicide of her brother and sister are clearly all Lalaith's fault.

I rest my case.

[Urwen]

You're babbling nonsense. Besides, had Lalaith lived, she would put herself between Glaurung and Niniel. So, I think the things for which you blame my namesake are actually Maedhros' fault

[Pitchwife]

There's always someone else for you to blame...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Urwen

You're babbling nonsense.

I think not, my young friend. You will find the fragment Narn i Gwilwileth Luin in Part 4 of The History of Middle Earth, Volume 10, as part of Note 12(b) to the long metaphysical dialogue Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Besides, had Lalaith lived, she would put herself between Glaurung and Niniel.

...become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

Of course not. Don't you see? If Lalaith had survived, she'd have tied Glaurung into a knot before going on to single-handedly defeat Morgoth and retrieve the remaining two Silmaril while fending off the futile attacks of the seven sons of Feanor with the other hand, and then... well, I don't know how she could have topped that, but she was just that freaking awesome that Tolkien simply had to kill her off before she could ruin the whole Silmarillion.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Of course not. Don't you see? If Lalaith had survived, she'd have tied Glaurung into a knot before going on to single-handedly defeat Morgoth and retrieve the remaining two Silmaril while fending off the futile attacks of the seven sons of Feanor with the other hand, and then... well, I don't know how she could have topped that, but she was just that freaking awesome that Tolkien simply had to kill her off before she could ruin the whole Silmarillion.

Ahem. I think the least you can do is refer to the book by its true title: The Lalaithion.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

I heard that's what PJ's doing for the film version....

[Eorl of Rohan]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Lalaith ... become spellbound, lost her memory, stood by helplessly while Nienor got the same treatment, then... oh... let me see... they could both have fallen for their brother, and killed each other out of jealously! How's that?

+rolls over in tears crying from laughing too much+

+sobers up+ Except the reason Turin fell for Niniel in the first place MIGHT possibly have been because he loved Lalaith very much in their childhood
and was probably unconsciously seeking someone like her in appearance and temperament as a psychological compensation for her loss. Now THAT would make for a happy ending.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Really,did Maedhros kill Laughter?

Yes.

He scowled too much, and he had this uncanny ability to give you The Look whenever you were making jokes behind his back about how his robes really clashed with his hair, and if that doesn't kill Laughter I don't know what does...





...Wrong thread?

(Would contribute, but I can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said.)

[the phantom]

It's the fault of Lalaith's great great grandparents for moving to a location within plague range of the most evil spot in all of Arda. It's the fault of the elves living up there for inviting the mortals to move there. It's the fault of the Valar for letting Morgoth loose. It's the fault of Eru for creating Morgoth. It's the fault of Morgoth himself for releasing the plague.

After all of that, it's difficult to give any sizable portion of blame to Maedhros. But I'll try, darn it! Or at least I would if it weren't for the fact that he is incredibly cool.

Plus- Turin didn't die, did he? Did Morwen? No. They were strong. Lalaith, on the other hand- she was a victim of her own weak nature, and was deservedly removed before she could drag down her mighty family.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Maybe someone could move this to Mirth? Then I'll explain how Lalaith is actually a Warg.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I was thinking the same thing, Eomer - this thread has definitely taken a turn into the mirthful! Consider it done.