WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lottie

No, I get what you mean now.

Ok, great. Really, I'm sorry if I've sounded cross, I'm just very very tired and it's very very late and I've been up since rather early morning.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Ok, great. Really, I'm sorry if I've sounded cross, I'm just very very tired and it's very very late and I've been up since rather early morning.

Not at all. And I'm sorry I'm trying to get you lynched, I just happen to think you're evil.

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted

[A Little Green]

Glirdan – Hmm. I have no read on him myself, others have brought up good points against him, though, but I'd have to investigate myself to form an opinion.

Nogrod – Usually, at this point of the game, I'm convinced he's a wolf. This far I guess he's never been one when we've played together. So now I'm wondering if I should get worried as I've found no reason to suspect him...

Wintywinty – Too little to go on with.

Isabellkya – From what I remember of her she's been making sense and passing unnoticed. I have no reason to suspect her, but she alarms me a little because of being so smooth and sensible.

Mira – Feels innocent though I disagree with her a lot.

Sally – Her behaviour yesterDay around the voting, concerning Lottie, was weird. Other than that, she's been the usual hard-to-read Sally.

Agan – Seems genuine and makes a lot of sense. I'm not saying she's innocent - I know how capable she is of fooling me - but I won't be voting her without a good reason.

Inzil – No effing idea.

Shasta – The reasoning for his vote was rather bad, could be even wolvish - I was a little (green) suspected at that point I think but not much, so voting for me would have been rather ideal: not rubbing people the wrong way, yet not bandwaggoning either. Otherwise he has flown under my radar.

Lottie – I believe her claim though I disagree with her about almost everything.

Nerwen – No idea.

Legate – Seems innocentish this far.

Morsul – No idea.

Nienna – Hmm. Not sure. At times she feels very genuine, at others she feels like a sneaky wolf. Can't say which she is.

Skip – Seems maybe the most innocentish at this point (discounting Lottie and myself, of course), makes sense and feels genuine.

Lommy – Has dropped the mysterious attitude and feels more or less like her innocent self.

Brinniel – I'm leaning towards thinking her innocent. Her reactions seem genuine to me.


EDIT: x-ed since my last

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Not at all. And I'm sorry I'm trying to get you lynched, I just happen to think you're evil.

I sincerely hope that you will not succeed in your attempt. Talking about getting people lynched, I'd be interested to know who people are going to vote. I want to go to bed as soon as possible, but I'd like to hear some more opinions before voting..

EDIT: x-ed with Noggy, Winty & Glirdy

[A Little Green]

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.

[Nienna]

Agan: Day One

37: Doesn’t want to die early because she hasn’t played in a while, laugh’s at Fea, wonder’s why Fea’s vote bothers Shasta, Brinn speaks sense, lets WinWin know that editing isn’t cool, suspects Nerwen for pointing out that WinWin could have a pack telling him what to do, gives advice to the Seer about being sure about people, comments on wolf voting and mentions that wolves can vote however they want to

55: Comments on Morsul’s flimsy reasoning for suspecting Fea and WinWin, discusses retractables and how everyone should use them right away, lets Nerwen know that she thinks that newbie v. newbie wolf debate isn’t a problem yet as we don’t have enough info to go on, comments to Nerwen that she’s pushing WinWin’s newbieness too hard, thinks we should vote for the most suspicious person regardless of whether we think they are the cobbler or a wolf. Thinks with Zil that maybe WinWin’s vote because he used a character name was a joke, wonders what Mira’s conclusion was regarding WinWin’s newbieness

62: A list: Suspicious – Mira for suspecting a newbie which is too easy, Morsul for his reasoning, and Lottie for a random analysis of Glirdy who hadn’t posted anything but IC banter. She comments on a few things Nog said about her Seer advice, will most likely vote for Mira or Morsul

65: Thinks Greenie now sounds innocent because they agree on things

78: Replies to Legate about Morsul and how she may still vote for him even if he is being “classical Morsul”, thinks Greenie, Legate, and Lommy have a good point about Lottie and may vote her but is unsure because she doesn’t know her playing style

80: Reminding that seer-dreamt ordos may not necessarily be innocent, Izzy seems innocent

88: Tells Morsul why she finds him suspicious, votes Mira because she seems the most suspicious, retracts and votes again because she doesn’t like retractables

93: Vote count and she mentions how she thinks we should keep track of who’s used their retracts

110: Defends why she doesn’t like retractable votes, defends her vote for Mira, defends the retractables yet again

In conclusion after Day One: she seems to be making sense. I don’t love her reasoning for voting Mira but reasoning on Day One’s are never that good. She seems pretty innocent so far so I’m not really sure what has made Lottie so gung-ho but we’ll see after the analysis of her posts today.

Edit: x-ed

[wintywinty]

Right now, I have narrowed down the twp possible people I am going to vote for to either Glirdy, or Sally. Glirdy and Sally seem to me as being the most suspicous thus far.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.

Well I was sort of wondering at first too, but then it was apparently only about the first page of toDay. Still... well, let's see where it goes. (I don't think I'll be here for when he reaches the last page, though. So probably leaving it out...)

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Right now, I have narrowed down the twp possible people I am going to vote for to either Glirdy, or Sally. Glirdy and Sally seem to me as being the most suspicous thus far.

However this is basically going along with the wind which blows in the village. Glirdan and sally = people who are definitely going to be voted by many. Not sure whether not to beat my inner jabberwocky (see post above) and just go with it.

[wintywinty]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

However this is basically going along with the wind which blows in the village. Glirdan and sally = people who are definitely going to be voted by many. Not sure whether not to beat my inner jabberwocky (see post above) and just go with it.

Would it have been more appeasing to you if I had said I suspected someone noone else did? Those two I mentioned have by far been the ones who have said the most suspicious things.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Would it have been more appeasing to you if I had said I suspected someone noone else did? Those two I mentioned have by far been the ones who have said the most suspicious things.

Okay, now we are talking! (Literally, which pleases me.) Well, it wouldn't, if you had good enough reasons for why you are suspecting such a person. That's not to say your reasons to suspect Glirdy or sally might not be valid, it just struck me as a move many Wolves are known to do, to sort of blend with the crowd. Of course on the other hand, if neither of those two is a Wolf, then it would possibly speak in your favor under such circumstances, as you have not mentioned anybody else.

This however brings me back to my original dilemma. If there were flowers out there, I might as well pick one and decide by tearing away the petals: Inzil-Brinn-Sally...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul

So Feas was a cobbler yay us.

Something that bothers me is that Lottie has been pouncing on her four suspects for "acting too innocent", but misses this completely. Lottie, I realize you're a known innocent, but really? Just because you think you've spotted all four wolves in the first day doesn't mean you stop looking at anyone else and focus solely on those four. For example, several of the points in your "Sal-alysis" are pretty clearly grasping at straws.

I honestly agree with this quote by Agan:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lottie I'll have to go through sally myself before judging her but I think you're maybe a bit too subjective in your analysis (at least Lommy and Macalaure are allowed to laugh at this comment). Like, you've already decided she's a wolf so you consequentially see everything she says or does in that light.

I think you'd be a great help to the village if you'd take off your wolf-colored glasses.

You missed this quote of Lommy's back in #251:

Originally Posted by Lommy

At least this: please people, don't mislead yourselves by concluding I must be more innocent than Legate or Greenie because of the placement of my vote. I think we would all have voted Lottie, whatever the order of our votes, but I just happened to decide to go to sleep first.

But anyway.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've already explained why I voted the way I did. I've no intention of staying on the defensive all this Day, as I had to yesterDay.

Really? I didn't feel like you were ever a major candidate for the lynch... so why did you "have" to stay on the defensive?

Originally Posted by Morsul

However Sally is quite smart whether or not I agree with her. I don't think she'd read my sarcasm as anything but, also she says she wanted to try and get me lynched but "no one would go for that" She admits trying to start a Bandwagon.

Lottie has been doing the same thing and she's a confirmed innocent. In fact, she about said the exact same thing. I notice as well that there was a rather large amount of Sally suspicion before your post... so to me this looks a lot like a wolf trying to be the first vote on a wagon in order to look better.

And ha, Nienna thinks the same.

Originally Posted by Nienna

Morsul's vote for Sally already toDay looks very opportunistic. To me it feels like a wolf realizing that our known innocent is pretty much going to lead a crusade against a fellow wolf and wanting to seem more innocent by being the first to join.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, I have to vote now– I may change it later, but I can't risk missing the DL again.

++Sally

Now, I think that's the third vote on Sallymouse, which I guess makes it officially a bandwagon.

That was actually the second vote, and the way you said "oh well, guess it's a bandwagon now" kind of bothers me, not gonna lie.


Zil says this in #276:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That said, you aren't the Seer, Lottie, so you may not be right about all your suspects.

...but then goes on to (seemingly) only consider Lottie's four suspects. Odd, that.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Though if you choose to simply focus on me, you'll find that it'll get you nowhere.

Doth I detect a challenge?

Haha, Agan agrees about Morsul too.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't like Morsul's vote. It doesn't seem genuine, it looks as if he was intentionally trying to come up with reasons to vote for her. Okay Nienna phrased it better than me, I basically agree with her.

Originally Posted by Legate

But this sounds a rather too over-the-top defensive thing and somehow, the defense sounds just fabricated. That didn't help you at least in my eyes, sally. But whatever...

I disagree. I've been a frustrated innocent before (right, guys? *waves crossbow*) and honestly, Sally had just come back to two votes and a bucketload of suspicion. I'd probably be frustrated too.

Originally Posted by Mira

That was really me floundering for something to contribute than anything else.

Here's another quote that bothers me - you were looking for something to say that would make you seem more helpful?


I will say, after Greenie's #304, that my suspicion of her has lessened. Her defense of her vote seemed innocent to me.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Glirdy's going over the top with acting innocent. First his Day 1 opening post where he enthused about hunting werewolves, now he (like Agan) expresses sorrow over the Night kill.

More straws. One - this is a themed game. Two - why not be sad to see a fellow innocent gone? I don't agree with this reasoning and never have.


Hee hee. Legate agrees.

Originally Posted by Legate

Come on! Lottie, you may be a known innocent, but you are overdoing it. Not that I am saying you should not use your time as one with proper zeal, as being partial won't accomplish anything, but this of all things is not a reason for suspicion. Innocents are known to do that too, and on the other hand many Wolves know by now that it does not help them. The reaction can be genuine, so what...

...And Zil agrees with what I said about Mira

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That's quite interesting. Floundering for something to contribute?

Stop stealing my thoughts, people!

Originally Posted by Greenie

Shasta – The reasoning for his vote was rather bad, could be even wolvish - I was a little (green) suspected at that point I think but not much, so voting for me would have been rather ideal: not rubbing people the wrong way, yet not bandwaggoning either. Otherwise he has flown under my radar.

This bugs me. You say my reasoning is bad, but don't explain why.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Sally is really starting to look bad in my eyes. Will form a fully solid opinion once I have thoroughly gone through the other pages and have caught up.

This really bothers me too. I didn't have much of a read on Glirdan yet, but the tone of that remark was definitely bandwagonnish (especially since Sally seems to be the D2 easy lynch).


...and Greenie agrees.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.
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Originally Posted by Winty

Right now, I have narrowed down the twp possible people I am going to vote for to either Glirdy, or Sally. Glirdy and Sally seem to me as being the most suspicous thus far.

Winty, do you think you could maybe say why you think that? Because as of right now it looks like you're just sheeping Lottie.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Would it have been more appeasing to you if...

Originally Posted by Glirdy the next post

Would you rather me just...

Interesting...

[Glirdan]

Address some things before I go on:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Eurgh. I'm starting to see why Glirdy is suspected. I didn't like that long post of his at all. Or, it was long, but it included mainly suspicion on one of the village's top suspects and confirming innocent a person everyone's been considering innocent pretty much all Day. He could be an innocent who just suspects the same person as everyone else, but I didn't like the tone of that post.

Would you rather me just come back on and start spewing utter nonsense seeing as I have been absent for most of the Day? I'm just trying to get caught up, but if that makes me suspicious in yours, so be it.

Originally Posted by winty

Right now, I have narrowed down the twp possible people I am going to vote for to either Glirdy, or Sally. Glirdy and Sally seem to me as being the most suspicous thus far.

Originally Posted by winty

Would it have been more appeasing to you if I had said I suspected someone noone else did? Those two I mentioned have by far been the ones who have said the most suspicious things.

Mind explaining those? Because they are rather vague and it just seems to me like you're trying to get by on the tailcoats of others, which happens to be a very Wolfish tactic by the by.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin appearing*

Oh, FYI.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I'd like to hear some more opinions before voting..

Aganzir will / would vote for Inzil.

Her internet connection died and she sent me an sms which I then PM'd to Wilwa. It's up to her, whether she accepts that kind of vote.

(~~~) *grin appearing*

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin appearing*

Okay.

I'm not going to restate all the points raised thus far. I think there are fair points raised against Sally and Inzil, and to a lesser degree on Glirdy and Brinn.

I tend to think Agan and Greenie more innocentish than not.

Skip and Izzy feel good.

Well that was original...

I'll plunge into the thread to check a few things that bother me. But I'll be around for any discussion (checking the latest posting every now and then).

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[satansaloser2005]

And of course people try to lynch me on the Day that I can't be around for much longer. I think it's some sort of conspiracy. *grumbles*

As noted, I don't have a lot of time, or at least a lot of time to be particularly loquacious. I'll give thoughts on everyone and if anyone has questions I'll answer them. How's that work? After all, if I'm to be viciously cut down in the prime of my life, I may as well offer help while I can.


Glirdan: He's honestly not been around much. What he's said is a bit strange, but at the same time I don't have a good enough hold on him to specifically say "Kill! Kill". He is, however, popping onto other people's suspicions and things, which seems very wolfish the way he's doing it. Wolf? Maybe!
Nogrod: Well he's busy, but he's too quiet even for a busy Nog. I'm concerned.
Wintywinty: The newbie pass is gone. Yes, you made a newbie mistake and you admit it, but that doesn't mean you're innocent. There's wolf cubs too, after all.
Boro88: Dead! Dead, dead, dead! *spites Lottie for picking on her so much*
Isabellkya: Surprisingly I'm getting good vibes from her. I'll certainly not be voting her toDay.
Mira: No feeling on her one way or the other.
Sally: LEAVE ME ALONE! Lol. Sorry, I hate being suspected for rubbish reasons. You wanna suspect me, fine, but don't create reasoning that's not the truth.
Agan: I need to keep a close eye on her because, frankly, I have no idea.
Inzil: Not a wolf. Plain and simple. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.
Shasta: First of all, no, I didn't follow his suspicions, I had my own. *is just saying* Anyway he's been acting quite strange lately and had some opinions on people that I think have been formed for the wrong reasons. Wolf, mehbe? *nods*
Lottie: Obviously innocent (unless she's lying) but she's really irking me. Just because you're a known innocent doesn't mean you are right about everything.
Nerwen: No evil vibes. As in, I'm getting them, so I know she's not evil.
Legate: I stand by my suspicions of yesterDay.
Morsul: Ditto. Opportunistic and a lemming. Such a wolf in my eyes.
Nienna: Not a lot on her, or rather not a lot of bad. I think she's safe.
Skip: He's not concerning me at all right now.
Lommie: I'm still worried about her, but she's not at the top of my list now.
Greenie: I see Lottie's case against her but I legitimately refuse to follow Lottie.
Brinniel: No worries from her either.


In short....

Suspect:
Morsul
Legate
Glirdan
Winty
Shasta

Ish:
Nog
Lommie
Mira
Agan
Greenie

Don't suspect:
Izzy
Dun
Lottie
Nerwen
Skip
Brinn
Nienna


undoubtedly x'd....

[satansaloser2005]

As much as I might suspect Shasta right now, I agree.

Most of Lottie's 'logic' relies on her 'calling the whole pack'. So if (rather when) she's proved wrong about one of them she'll be as clueless as she thinks the rest of us are. I'm just sayin'.


ETA: This is in relation to his #344. For whatever reason it would't let me quote him.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

As much as I might suspect Shasta right now, I agree.

Most of Lottie's 'logic' relies on her 'calling the whole pack'. So if (rather when) she's proved wrong about one of them she'll be as clueless as she thinks the rest of us are. I'm just sayin'.

I don't think the rest of you are clueless. I often disagree *cough*Zil*cough* but I think you all have good points. And my logic does not rely on my 'calling the whole pack' - even if Greenie and Agan aren't wolves, you and Glirdy can still easily be (and most probably are).

EDIT: xed.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Inzil: Not a wolf. Plain and simple. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.

Brinniel: No worries from her either.

More interesting details pouring out?

EDIT: oops, X'd with a host of voting it seems.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Morsul: Ditto. Opportunistic and a lemming. Such a wolf in my eyes.

A bit rude wouldn't you say?

Sorry I find you suspicious. Did I ever call you a horrid name? (Wolf doesn't count)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

A bit rude wouldn't you say?

Sorry I find you suspicious. Did I ever call you a horrid name? (Wolf doesn't count)

Lemming isn't a horrid name. It means she thinks you're bandwaggoning. It's not a huge deal.

[Loslote]

And Re: Greenie's vote for Shasta:

Shastawolf theory makes no sense.

If he were a wolf, do you really think he'd try to get me to *stop* blindly ignoring suspicious behavior? No. He'd be happy with the known innocent expressing trust for him, and unless I did have the rest of his packmates pegged (which, if Shasta's a wolf, I'm way mixed up anyay ) and he'd be fine with me chasing down innocents.

As it happens, your vote for him, which again was very badly reasoned, doesn't help at all with the uneasy "maybe I was wrong" feeling I was having. Now I'm quite a bit more sure about your guilt.

[satansaloser2005]

Turns out I'll be around until (more or less) deadline after all. Will be chilling with some people so still won't be very verbose, but I'll be around.

And Shasta needs to stop following me!

[Nogrod]

Darn... this has been the most disappointing ww-Day ever for me. Really. I just sit here and half-heartedly skim some pages and look for new entries. And do nothing, except going to the living room to move a pile of papers from point A to point B and have a cigarette. Maybe it's that over-stretching state where the mind and the body are over-exhausted or something (I had school today in the morning, seven hours of singing and dancing with the choir - and will have six hours of it tomorrow, went into the movies).

I just can't get hold of doing anything. Depressing indeed. And the clock is ticking (2.45AM right now).

Blah.

As you Lottie mentioned it, I suddenly remembered this (I was coming convinced that she is innocent - Greenie that is - just becasue I knew she had a tough day on D1 and I could sympathise with her haste and tiredness toDay coming to the thread such late). But it could actually fit.

Originally Posted by Sally

Greenie: I see Lottie's case against her but I legitimately refuse to follow Lottie.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That's quite interesting. Floundering for something to contribute?

Yes, dear. What about that is interesting to you? It was Day 1. That was the first post I had made that wasn't straight up banter and didn't particularly want to be accused of being evil for not participating.

In an attempt to not miss deadline for the second day in a row (which is unfortunately extremely likely considering how much studying I still have to do. Procrastination = bad), ima go ahead and vote now.

++wintywinty

There's something suspicious about the way he's been posting. It could be because he's a newbie, but I'm going to go with the idea that there's wolfish coaching going on. Might change that if The Mythology of Crime and Criminal Justice doesn't suck my life completely away before DL.

[Loslote]

I'm going to go ahead and:

++ Glirdy

I might change if Shasta, Zil, Nog, or Ni are in danger of being lynched and voting Sally would save them. As this looks unlikely as of now, I probably won't change my vote.

EDIT: xed with Izzy

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Yes, dear. What about that is interesting to you? It was Day 1. That was the first post I had made that wasn't straight up banter and didn't particularly want to be accused of being evil for not participating.

In an attempt to not miss deadline for the second day in a row (which is unfortunately extremely likely considering how much studying I still have to do. Procrastination = bad), ima go ahead and vote now.

highlight]++wintywinty[/highlight]

There's something suspicious about the way he's been posting. It could be because he's a newbie, but I'm going to go with the idea that there's wolfish coaching going on. Might change that if The Mythology of Crime and Criminal Justice doesn't suck my life completely away before DL.

To my mind, looking for ways to not appear evil is something wolves obsess about.
And as Nog noted, that surely is a safe and painless vote.

x/d with all since 379

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Nog's and Shasta's? Why?

Shasta's vote seemed to come out of left field. Nog's, essentially the same. With everything that he had been posting, I had not been thinkinghe would be voting for Fea.

Yes, Legate tends to post a lot. But his wording seems to be fluffy. He seems to take the scenic route in making his points.


Well Sally. You have had an awful lot of joking around posts. Eventually, you lessen it, and get serious and contribute. But.. you're still in a banter, joke phase.

You calling Loslote on her 'weirdness' and being innocent. Uhm... when have YOU not done that yourself? When have others not?


X'd with everything after #380. Apparently didn't refresh enough.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

A bit rude wouldn't you say?

Sorry I find you suspicious. Did I ever call you a horrid name? (Wolf doesn't count)

Sorry, dear, I thought you'd get the implication. Lemming as in a follower. There was no offense intended (other than that obvious "WOLF!" of course).

[wintywinty]

Right now, I don't have time to explain my reasoning, as I have homework to attend to. If I get a chance later I will explain my reasoning though, but in case I don't have a chance to get back on before the night, ++Sally

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Like I said... day 2 easy lynch. With Morsul being opportunistic and Winty being bandwaggonish (going to get reasons for your votes from your packmates tonight, winty?), it's kind of hard to choose, but...
++Morsul

[Loslote]

Morsul -> Sally
Nerwen -> Sally (2)
Lommy -> Glirdy
Greenie -> Shasta
Legate -> Sally (3)
WW -> Sally (4)
Shasta -> Morsul

(I think that's right.)

EDIT: xed and added Shasta's vote