WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[wintywinty]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

(~~~)
What I found suspicious here is the fact that you say that winty's vote should receive some scrutiny, which is nonsense. We can speculate the whole Day about him being a) newbie with little knowledge of the game, b) newbie who has played this on different fora, c) newbie with instructions to play a "newbie-card" by his packmates, d) newbie who thinks two steps ahead of most of us, e) newbie who just plays dashingly bold... you can continue that list. But that will lead us nowhere, especially if he doesn't come forwards to take part of the discussion - and that would not be "scrutinising his vote" anymore.

Any of these choices could be possible, but I prefer d and e. Also, Someone please explain to me how eliminating re-votes will help the Non-wolf team later on. Finally, many have mentioned how Tweedledee always has good insights on shtuff and she seems very good at the game, therefore if she is a wolf, then she would be huge asset to the wolf team. This is my reasoning for voting for Tweedledee.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Any of these choices could be possible, but I prefer d and e. Also, Someone please explain to me how eliminating re-votes will help the Non-wolf team later on. Finally, many have mentioned how Tweedledee always has good insights on shtuff and she seems very good at the game, therefore if she is a wolf, then she would be huge asset to the wolf team. This is my reasoning for voting for Tweedledee.

Yes, but she would also therefore be a good asset to the village. And besides, she's super busy, so she can't get up to too many hijinx this game.


I still fault this is egregiously poor reasoning. (And yes, I really just wanted to say egregious.)

[Isabellkya]

Are you nefariously aligned Loslote?


x'd with Loslote and Boro.

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Lottie

I almost *know* Zil, Nog and Boro aren't.

You trying to *hint* at something here? Perhaps you're fellow packmates? But you know what, I know that you would not do something THAT obvious.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Seriously, though, and adding to the IC reasoning: You jumped on the "Nerwen's *sigh* is off" mini-bandwaggon; you're jumping on the Lottie-waggon now; and you're fraternizing far too readily with the other people I think are evil (Agan, Sally, and Greenie).

Can you explain to me how and when I have been fraternizing with Greenie and Agan? I have not said two words to either of them. As for Sally, yes, I have fraternized with her, IC, as, if you have read the books, our characters go together.

Edit: Xed since last post

[Aganzir]

Okay I don't have too much time now...

*is sad about Boro's death*

Originally Posted by Lommy

First off, I'm quite surprised Fea turned out to be the cobbler.

Me too but I'm happy she was lynched in the end. That's what happens when you think you know better what Fea is doing...

Originally Posted by Lommy

four wolves who can think together and they might be rereading the thread overNight.

No s*it Sherlock!
I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs. However it's likely that the wolves spend more time looking for possible connections than the innocents. But on the other hand, Lottie might have been a relatively easy lynch today... So I don't really know.

Originally Posted by Brinn

And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...

Good morning Brinn! :-p And to be honest I'm quite surprised that Lommy is posting as early as at 11.

Lottie I'll have to go through sally myself before judging her but I think you're maybe a bit too subjective in your analysis (at least Lommy and Macalaure are allowed to laugh at this comment). Like, you've already decided she's a wolf so you consequentially see everything she says or does in that light.
And yeah this is Aganwolf defending her fellow and whatnot (by the way last night I had a dream I was a wolf. Inzil was too).

Originally Posted by Lommy

Loslote, why are you so sure the wolf quartet is Greenie, Agan, Glirdan and Sally?

I'd like to know that too (and not only because I'm one of her wolves) and I would totally be suspecting her because of it if she wasn't the other Shirriff... Because I have yet to see a day 1 when someody pins down all the wolves at once (oh wait I did that in Mith's game! But granted it was jokingly ;-)).

Okay a proper look at yesterday now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Anywho, Boro agreed most fervently about Greenie and Sally. He was not as enthusiastic about Agan and Glirdy, but he did agree that it was likely they were wolfly. He trusted Nienna and Mira most out of everyone who was him or me. Just in case you were wondering.

out of everyone who was not him or you, you wanted to say, I assume. Anyway... in contrary to people wondering about Lottie's suspects, I suggest we really consider them strongly (especially those which they agreed on). Of course, they are subjectively biased by the fact that it's two Shiriffs who have something in common who are making them, but the fact that two innocent people can communicate and agree on somebody is worth taking into account. Of course a bunch of innocents can be misled by pursuing the same illusion (and it happens all the time), but still - two brains know more than one. How many PMs did you guys exchange, Lottie? Especially the last Night? (Not sure if you are any longer around, but anyway, I think this might be a good thing to say anyway, as for us to take into account in the future - the more you've been able to put together the better.) For that matter, did you or Boro have any fears as to that you might be targeted at Night? (Like that Boro's apology to Fea in the last minute... when I saw it, it seemed like rather an unfortunate thing to say.)

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs. However it's likely that the wolves spend more time looking for possible connections than the innocents. But on the other hand, Lottie might have been a relatively easy lynch today... So I don't really know.

Curious. As I haven't been skimming through the thread much, but I haven't noticed any connection between them, however, thinking about Lottie (wondering whether she is a Wolf or not), I remembered that "I am not evil" saying of her, and came to the conclusion that if I were to believe her, then it basically screams Shiriff, as they are the ones who are not allowed to reveal - so that's as most as she could have said. But maybe your brain is just not as clever as mine or then you are intentionally misleading us (rather clumsily, though) in trying to say that you weren't part of any Night planning.

That said, whereas Agan is starting to slightly annoy me again, I still want to keep myself in check and I don't think she is a Wolf, actually. Not this time. And at least I would hope I am right.

[Nerwen]

I'd like to comment on the several people toDay who are expressing surprise or confusion where I just don't think it's warranted.

Nienna at #226 "has stopped having any sort of idea what is going on". (May be just be referring to Sally's Game reference, however).

Sally at #229 wants to know:

what the heck happened at the end of the Day yesterDay? Don't get me wrong, yay dead cobbler, but a dead cobbler is not a dead wolf. Sally demands an....an expla.....explanat....some country.....

(Hmmn. Possible hint of wolfish chagrin there?)

Sally, really, what do you mean, "what the heck happened?"

Lommy at #235 is surprised that Fea was the cobbler and had seen no connection between Lottie and Boro.

Agan at #247 agrees with her on both points.

Me too but I'm happy she was lynched in the end. That's what happens when you think you know better what Fea is doing...
(...)
I don't think the connection was that obvious either. While skimming through the thread in the night I noticed there might be something between them, but I didn't actually think they were the Shirriffs

Now, firstly, I just can't see why it's so surprising that someone who acted in a typically cobbleresque manner turned out to be, in fact, the cobbler. I know Lommy said she thought Lottie might be the cobbler yesterDay, and it was something that crossed my mind in the early part of the Day– but Fea should have been, it seems to me, a clear runner-up at least.

Secondly– I may of course be developing Nogroditis– but I'm surprised anyone didn't see a possible connection between Boro and Lottie after the end of yesterDay– and having seen it, the idea that they might be the Shirriffs is a logical next step. I mean, it wasn't the only thing that occurred to me– but to say you never noticed, or even more, that you did, but never thought of them being the Shirriffs seems a little disingenuous.

EIDT:X'd since Legate.
EDIT2: word left out.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

a question: am I reading a totally different game than you others?! for what I've seen, there was the joke Fea vote which seemed like an obvious to be retracted vote, my and Greenie's votes, Sally's suspicion and Agan's suspicion and vote for someone else than Lottie... ..what? should we start suspecting Sally now? she's the only one whose approach could be called "smooth" or sneaky...

Not sure if I understand what you mean by this... but if you mean what I think you mean, at least for me it was slightly unnerving - influenced by the worries stated by Nogrod - to see the number of Lottie-voters amassing. That's what I'd call "smooth": going on and on, nobody seemed to contest it (at least by that time). Well anyway I think I elaborated on that yesterDay back then.


Now after Lommy's post it made me once again doubt Zil's innocence, returning my somehow bad feeling about him from early yesterDay. For now thinking of it, his action in relation to the Loslote-wagon would seem like a very nice "I-am-a-Wolf, I'll start out of the way but oh look, what those evil people are doing! On the other hand, if you decide all that Lottie is guilty, fine by me, do it, I just want you to lynch somebody else than us Wolves".

Originally Posted by skip spence

G'day folks and gentlehobbits...

Skimmed the thread just now and I'm wondering, why is Lottie now though of as a known innocent? Is that based only on Boro's last moment vote retraction?

Most of all, she revealed herself as Shiriff. Unless there appears another Shiriff claiming otherwise, I trust her. And since nobody did...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, firstly, I just can't see why it's so surprising that someone who acted in a typically cobbleresque manner turned out to be, in fact, the cobbler. I know Lommy said she thought Lottie might be the cobbler yesterDay, and it was something that crossed my mind in the early part of the Day– but Fea should have been, it seems to me, a clear runner-up at least.

Secondly– I may of course be developing Nogroditis– but I'm surprised anyone didn't see a possible connection Boro and Lottie after the end of yesterDay– and having seen it, the idea that they might be the Shirriffs is a logical next step. I mean, it wasn't the only thing that occurred to me– but to say you never noticed, or even more, that you did, but never thought of them being the Shirriffs seems a little disingenuous.

Just a note here, as I think there is at least one part of it which I can see an explanation for from first-hand experience: even though I'd assume that people who have read the thread and thought about it would come to the conclusions above, it's not necessary that they have read it or came to the conclusions. For instance myself, after I have voted, I went to sleep - and later at Night only checked the outcome and did not much bother myself about who voted whom up to this morning, thus, not thinking about Boro at all (but yes about Loslote, as it was a thing I have been thinking about: so she's not lynched, but that does not mean she's innocent, but have I been wrong? So what did she say? But hey, what was this "I'm not evil!" shouting from her - and *click*, here came the idea). As for Fea, I have not seen her posting anything Cobbler-ish, unless you count the vote (for which there was other explanation offered by Lommy), by the time I went to sleep, there was like one more post from her saying nothing at all, and once again, when I read the rest of the thread, she was already dead and her role revealed. That's just to say that at least when it comes to us Europeans, I could see this as one possible thing happening that somebody might not have read the after-we-went-to-sleep things early or with much care, so I'd be taking it into account. On the other hand, if somebody claims to have read them and they have not spotted anything, that maybe might be somewhat puzzling. But otherwise, well.

EDIT: x-ed with one Nerwen, Lommy and skip

[Thinlómien]

Can I offer a timezoney explanation for somethings?

A bunch of votes for Loslote emerged quite quick because the people who had suspected her happened to be mostly European and had to go to sleep. There was no competing wagon emerging around the same time for obvious reasons: why would any American (or Nogrod ) vote when there was still several hours until the deadline which is evening their time?

And to rephrase Legate, there is also nothing weird in anyone who went to sleep when only 1/3 of the discussion had taken place being surprised by the recent outcomes. I read the Day when I woke up, but I did it only quickly, knowing that if I'm still alive the next Day, I have to reread it anyway because I want to talk about it. That way it was easy to miss significant stuff between Boro and Lottie (and btw while I can admit you can see there's something, I wouldn't definitely call it obvious even now).

Also, when I went to sleep I was certain Fea would come back later and post more sense, as she usually does, so I had no reason to believe her a cobbler, especially as I had a believable excuse for her vote in my head. (And mind you, even though she was a cobbler, it doesn't mean I was wrong about her vote. )

I also wanted to say something NOT related to timezones, but I forgot it...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

You know Lottie, I've read you're reasoning of suspecting me and I still don't quite understand it. Could I ask you to clarify?

Okay. You're evil. My reasoning in a nutshell.

Seriously, though, and adding to the IC reasoning: You jumped on the "Nerwen's *sigh* is off" mini-bandwaggon; you're jumping on the Lottie-waggon now; and you're fraternizing far too readily with the other people I think are evil (Agan, Sally, and Greenie).

[Isabellkya]

++Mira

It really comes down between her and Legate for me. With Sally voting for LEgate and hoping others would vote for him.. that worries be, couple with her behavior in the last few minutes.

I don't like how Mira used the same reason to both put Fea on a normal side, yet found Winty suspicious of it.


X'd with everything after #198.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

[high*light]++Mira[/highlight]

It really comes down between her and Legate for me. With Sally voting for LEgate and hoping others would vote for him.. that worries be, couple with her behavior in the last few minutes.

I don't like how Mira used the same reason to both put Fea on a normal side, yet found Winty suspicious of it.


X'd with everything after #198.

Switch!!! Switch!!!!

[Isabellkya]

When I say it looked obvious that there was a connection between Boro and Loslote. It was primarily his duty speech. He also seemed very anti-Loslote lynch. Perhaps they thought he was the Seer instead?

Loslote, do you have any reasonings behind your categorical choices?

I think the most o.O votes from yesterDay are Nog's for Fea and [b]Shasta[/b's for Greenie.

The Greenie and Legate votes for Loslote, I think are the most suspicious on that wagon. Legate because of what I said yesterDay. He didn't seem to actually be concerned about the Loslote wagon; he was saying it, to merely say it. Greenie's vote looked opportunistic.

Loslote. Sally was the only Legate voter. Glirdan voted for Shasta.

Haha @ Sallyglare.

I'm confused Loslote. You say Legate is more innocent, because Sally and Glirdan voted for him. But then you talk about Glirdan's vote for Shasta.

Skip. Loslote claimed to be the other Shirriff. So far, no one has counter-claimed her. So the likelihood of her actually being the other Shirriff is pretty high.

I have to agree with Nerwen in regards to the multiple sentiments of surprise for yesterDays last minute voting. Uhm.. since when are the last minutes not crazy or frantic?

Legate seems a lot more... wordy that usual.

Yes Skip. To the wolves, both Fea and Loslote were innocents.

So Sally looks to be the easy lynch candidate toDay?

Brin, are you and Winty packmates? That paragrapgh addressed to him, looked like you were supplying him with a reason.

Sally's 'defense' of the suspicions against her, seem quite flat and completely void of emotion. Almost as if she doesn't care if she goes.

I can't agree with you 'pegging wolves' is the only reason you get lynched quickly Loslote.

I agree with Aganzir on her point against Winty. As it looks like there is no legitimate reason for his statement regarding Brin - other than perhaps he is a wolf, and it was discussed amongst his fellows.

You know.. all of this 'will explain my vote later' from multiple people.. is quite irritating. Is it really that difficult to attach a sentence or two with your vote? No, I don't think it is.



I apologize. My attention span today is atrocious. It took me two hours just to get through page seven. Then a new page popped up every time I went to the next.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

When I say it looked obvious that there was a connection between Boro and Loslote. It was primarily his duty speech. He also seemed very anti-Loslote lynch. Perhaps they thought he was the Seer instead?

Loslote, do you have any reasonings behind your categorical choices?

Yes - for the two Unsures, Boro and I considered you as a possible wolf if we were wrong about someone else. Brinn I just didn't have an opinion about yet. Now I trust her more than I suspect her, but I still don't have much of an opinion.

I think the most o.O votes from yesterDay are Nog's for Fea and [b]Shasta[/b's for Greenie.

The Greenie and Legate votes for Loslote, I think are the most suspicious on that wagon. Legate because of what I said yesterDay. He didn't seem to actually be concerned about the Loslote wagon; he was saying it, to merely say it. Greenie's vote looked opportunistic.

Nog's and Shasta's? Why?

Loslote. Sally was the only Legate voter. Glirdan voted for Shasta.

Haha @ Sallyglare.

I'm confused Loslote. You say Legate is more innocent, because Sally and Glirdan voted for him. But then you talk about Glirdan's vote for Shasta.

Yes. I was mistaken about that. Sorry.

I have to agree with Nerwen in regards to the multiple sentiments of surprise for yesterDays last minute voting. Uhm.. since when are the last minutes not crazy or frantic?

Ah, but there was quite a bit of behind-the-scenes planning...I can see where some people might have gotten lost.

Legate seems a lot more... wordy that usual.

Isn't he always wordy?

So Sally looks to be the easy lynch candidate toDay?

Pretty much, and I personally am not going to fight it.

Sally's 'defense' of the suspicions against her, seem quite flat and completely void of emotion. Almost as if she doesn't care if she goes.

Lovely point, dear.

I can't agree with you 'pegging wolves' is the only reason you get lynched quickly Loslote.

True. I am also silly and people just like lynching me.

You know.. all of this 'will explain my vote later' from multiple people.. is quite irritating. Is it really that difficult to attach a sentence or two with your vote? No, I don't think it is.

Agreed.

I apologize. My attention span today is atrocious. It took me two hours just to get through page seven. Then a new page popped up every time I went to the next.

Heh. Don't worry about it. I've been having issues focusing, too.

EDIT: xed with Izzy

[wilwarin538]

So, like Nog said earlier Agan is having some internet issues and he PM'ed her vote to me. I trust that Nog isn't making it up, haha, so I'll accept it:

She would like to vote for

++ Inzil

Her message:

"He's the one I feel most confident about voting atm. Lottie makes me seriously mad and regardless of when I die, I will expect an apology for her frivolous accusations."

[Brinniel]

Okay, looking back at yesterDay I can see what Lommy was talking about with Lottie's suspicious behaviour, though I don't agree with it. No matter now.

Greenie's vote did have poor reasoning, however I'm not sure it's wolfish. She seemed a bit rushed at the time and took the easy route by going with her gut. Nogrod is the first I believe to mention he doesn't like her vote. Then Shasta votes Greenie. Later on Glirdan calls the vote bandwaggonish. Lottie is convinced she's evil. Inzil mentions her vote looks bad but excuses it due to possible RL reasons. Boro states he's for a Greenie lynch. Nienna and Loslote vote Greenie.

I'm not sure there's much to make out of this bandwagon after all. It was mostly pushed by Boro and Lottie, who are both innocent. The only ones who come out looking possibly bad in this are Nienna for not explaining her vote (though it seems she was saving Lottie, but I'm not sure how much she actually suspected Greenie) and Shasta for dropping that bomb out of nowhere. But even then I'm not sure their votes are necessarily evil.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The thing is, nobody said that you have good insights and you're a very good player/wolf - during the day.

Okay, well I thought in my skimming I just missed it. But whatever, it seems winty admits he was just making it up.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And although Brinn brought up other points against him (you can't vote for someone early and explain it by things "others have said"), her reaction to winty's post is somewhat lesser than I imagined it would be. It looks as if she was giving him advice, but if they were fellows why did he vote for her then? Of course it's possible she's nothing but an experienced player instructing a newbie, regardless of their roles...

My reaction was lesser? What did you expect, that I'd explode with outrage? winty's vote and reasons behind it were irritating, but at the same time so absurd that I had no reason to be upset. As for the advice thing, don't you think if I were a wolf giving my fellow advice about his actions from yesterDay, I would've done it last Night by PM instead? It was your last sentence which was the case; sometimes newbies need some guidance and I'm willing to do that rather than blow him off.

Mira's vote for winty and reasoning for it doesn't sit quite right with me. It's again taking the easy route, and it's hard to say whether it's actually sinister or just an innocent busy with RL.

About Sally. One thing that caught my eye from yesterDay was when she used her retraction, it really looked like she was simply following the flock in order to look better. Her vote for Legate wasn't great either; as someone mentioned, it was a bit of a throwaway considering she seemed eager to save Lottie. Today she's quite defensive, which is understandable since she does have the most votes. But with her over-the-top behaviour, I can also understand why the votes are piling up. This sort of behaviour does remind me of a wolfish Sally in previous games.

Lottie: While I believe there could very well be a good chance one of your suspects is a wolf, the likelihood of all of them being one is extremely slim. And this certainty can easily skew your opinions of everyone else. Though I noticed recently it looks like you are starting to open up the possibility that you may be wrong, which is good because you need to be open to other scenarios. Though I must say, I'm rather tempted to put Lottie's suspicions to the test and lynch one of those four. Has she beenas good at spotting wolves in the past as she says?

Also, I keep forgetting that Izzy and Nerwen exist in this game...not sure exactly what that means.

I feel like I had more to say, but if I did, I've lost it. Anyway, this post took forever and it's almost deadline which means time to vote soon..

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'm not sure there's much to make out of this bandwagon after all. It was mostly pushed by Boro and Lottie, who are both innocent. The only ones who come out looking possibly bad in this are Nienna for not explaining her vote (though it seems she was saving Lottie, but I'm not sure how much she actually suspected Greenie) and Shasta for dropping that bomb out of nowhere. But even then I'm not sure their votes are necessarily evil.

Here you are dear. You must have skimmed through it. I didn't have time to write it at the time.

[Brinniel]

For reasons stated in my post above:

++Sally

Bah, I feel like I should be bringing forth a competing candidate, but there actually really is no one else I suspect all that much. I've spent longer than I should on WW, and after all that then I haven't even begun to thoroughly examine any players thoroughly.

[satansaloser2005]

Go to bed, Brinn dear. (Or, you know, whatever else you need to do.) Don't kill yourself over the game if you've got more important things to do.

(Especially since you're already killing me. )

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

How hard is it to come up with one to two sentences on why you think said person is suspicious before you leave? It takes two seconds! Unless you really have no idea and are just going along with the pack and will get your reasoning from a fellow Wolf later on?

A good point. He really hasn't made much of an improvement from yesterDay. I'm still thinking it's more likely innocent newbie behaviour, but it's also very possible he could be a wolf.

Originally Posted by Nienna

Here you are dear. You must have skimmed through it. I didn't have time to write it at the time.

I probably did read it and just forgot.

[Glirdan]

Sorry, I actually missed the rest of it:

Originally Posted by Sally

Glirdan: He's honestly not been around much. What he's said is a bit strange, but at the same time I don't have a good enough hold on him to specifically say"Kill! Kill". He is, however, popping onto other people's suspicions and things, which seems very wolfish the way he's doing it. Wolf? Maybe!

Okay, now that I'm reading that as a whole, it makes me even more suspicious of you. The bolded bit is what got me. You're going along with the flock! What do you mean by that entire phrase? It just makes no sense and seems like you're trying to save yourself.

[Loslote]

Morsul -> Sally
Nerwen -> Sally (2)
Lommy -> Glirdan
Greenie -> Shasta
Legate -> Sally (3)
WW -> Sally (4)
Shasta -> Morsul
Mira -> WW
Lottie -> Glirdan (2)
Agan -> Inzil
Nog -> Sally (5)
Brinn -> Sally (6)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I apologize. My attention span today is atrocious. It took me two hours just to get through page seven. Then a new page popped up every time I went to the next.

Sharing the feeling...

Okay, one thing. There has been something I don't think honest in Mira's posting and now her vote on winty looks like a too easy one - like Shasta's rambling over whether to vote Morsul or winty.

Morsul tends to get lynched and at least suspected a lot just because of the way he thinks / plays (to disprove that we once let him be the whole game and of course he was a wolf then and won...). So I'm not saying he can't be a wolf, but jumping on suspecting him is the easiest choice possible because one can always quite legitimately say "he looks suspicious" as that is what he does, everytime.

With winty I see more a new player getting to grips with this game more than a wolf. And the most suspicious thing (making reasons for his vote afterwards based on things that had happened after his vote!) he admitted he had come up. Also, if they were mates, why would Brinn tell him in public on D2 how he should have played on D1? Couldn't she have just said it last Night? But it surely is easy to say he looks suspicious (he does). Say that and more or less everyone nods.

They both could be wolves (probably not both but one of them), but I'd choose someone I have a real suspicion instead of Morsul (as the chances of getting it wrong are that big) or winty (he has been better toDay than on D1, so maybe he should have a chance to show can he improve on D3). They may not be "easy lynches" as many people I think share my view on them, but they are "easily voted" as none would normally blame anyone voting for them...

Originally Posted by Sally

x'd with the Moddess, who momentarily confused me.

Even if I PM'd that vote to her, seeing Wilwa voting kind of made me gasp as well...

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sharing the feeling...

Morsul tends to get lynched and at least suspected a lot just because of the way he thinks / plays (to disprove that we once let him be the whole game and of course he was a wolf then and won...). So I'm not saying he can't be a wolf, but jumping on suspecting him is the easiest choice possible because one can always quite legitimately say "he looks suspicious" as that is what he does, everytime.

I survived for a while yes but I didn't win... for the record