WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Morsul the Dark]

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

Ah, yes, do tell us all your evil plans. Tell us now!

*waits with baited....yes, I actually mean baited....breath*

[Morsul the Dark]

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that

[Morsul the Dark]

Agan changed Avatars mid-game Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Agan changed Avatars mid-game Obviously Evil!!!!(Joking)

Just returned back to my old self because I like it better and recognise it faster.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Just returned back to my old self because I like it better and recognise it faster.

*concurs* I kept thinking there was a new player but then looked to the side and saw it was you...

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

Okay.

There were some suspicions on Lottie from early on (Fea's unexplained vote, my comment on understanding that vote...). Suddenly everyone was lynching Lottie.

There were a few comments about disliking retrackies (Lommy's explanation of Fea's behaviour, Boro's continuation on the same vein...). Suddenly a band of people are using their retrackies.

Does anyone else find that interesting?

Is that just herd-mentality (oh, Nietzsche how right you were?) or is there something else at stake?

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Plans? I have none last few times it came down to my vote I made the wolves win, I'm going to try Not to repeat that

Okay... I wanted to say that generally, I dislike the idea of using up retractions when we already have them, as that kind of ruins the point, but then again that I understand the danger hidden in that, but now that Morsul said it... I know exactly what he is referring to, because it happened in the game I have modded, on the last Day he voted early, Wolves bandwaggoned it, and the Wolves won. On the other hand, such things can be (in most cases) avoided with careful reasoning before voting. Also, of course, if people decide to keep their votes, it would have the point only in the case if they keep it for really until late, otherwise it might end up just with the scenario outlined by the retraction-opponents, that is, that all innocents use up their retractions in a few first Days' voting and the WWs then all have their retractions and outsmart the village.

EDIT: x-ed since Agan changed her avvie (so basically since the post I quote)

[Glirdan]

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Sorry it took me so long....Those horse radishes were being rather stubborn, stampeding all of the place and trampling my feet.... Sheez...(AKA: Read the Admin thread). And now there are so many people that I don't think I have enough tea Well, we shall make do!! And Sally, what have I said about that tea pot!! Anywhoseits, I shall return again after I have read all these posts.

I'M NOT IN THE TEA POT, YOU SILLY BUGGER!

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^*scrabbles across the keyboard to get away from mean Glirdan*^

[Glirdan]

First off, hello wintywinty and welcome!! Second:

Originally Posted by Tweedledum

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

Oh my...he really does seem to be a plain old innocent for this comment....yet Nerwen brings up an excellent point:

Originally Posted by Dodo

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

He very well could be simply a confused innocent or a really smart wolfywolfy....Currently I'm inclined to believe the first.

And Nerwen's sigh threw me off there too...A sigh of exasperation. Perhaps either because she is exasperated with the newbie thing or perhaps a sigh of exasperation of her fellow packmate?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Lottie and Glirdan are a bit too excited about IC posting, but I don't think it makes them necessarily guilty.

You would be too if you were as crazy about tea as I am!! Oh, and happy unbirthday!

Originally Posted by Morsul

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Nothing about Day 1 is meaningless. What happens on Day 1 is our foundation for what is to happen in the later Days. Yes, most of the posting at the start is purely IC, random and sometimes completely pointless, but not always. There was a game not too long ago that I played where I got Hunter-Killed by a certain someone on Day 1 *coughMORSULcough* and most of that Day's discussion was purely speculation on some of the rules and thus led to the votes that were placed. (Or maybe I'm mixing that up with the game BEFORE it was restarted )

Originally Posted by Lottie

Gut feeling: Wolfie. LET'S HUNT WOLVES!! W00T! <= wolfly behavior. No other reasons as of yet.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Now this is mostly banter with Mira, which raises the possibility of a Glirdy-Mira wolf partners...I doubt it, though. I think, if Glirdy's wolfly, then Mira's probably innocent...which, coincidentally, lines up with my impressions of her, as well. Also the Lottie song parody/Shasta tea thing seems to be sort of a "haha, don't vote me, I'm nice" buttering up sort of thing...although it might also be banter. Either way, not a particularly favorable impression - I dislike buttering up; I actually suspect suspicion of me far less than trust of me. I'm weird that way, I know.

Come on now chica (sorry...just finished performing West Side Story last weekend, Puerto Rican accent still in head), you've played with me before, have you not? It was all IC posting at that point.

Originally Posted by Agan

Glirdy. Content? Where's the actual content?

Sorry, would have posted more if it weren't for the fact that, as I have mentioned in the Admin thread, a good portion of the Day happens to occur during my sleeping hours and then six hours of schooling (with rehearsals every once in awhile afterwards) so I could not get much in other then IC stuff. By the way, it is a pleasure to play with you for the first time!

Originally Posted by Lommy

Glirdy - lots of banter, little substance = typical early Day1 Glirdy but slightly annoying.

Love you too.

As for all of this retracting of the votes this early, I see the points raised on why it we should do it. However, personally, knowing my track record, I'm going to hold onto mine for a Day or two more.

As it stands I am still at a loss of who to suspect and who not to...Lottie kinda stands out for me right now, but that might just be because she thinks I'm a Wolf.

I'm giving Agan a vote pass seeing as it has been a year since she's last played. I'm also giving a vote pass to skip and ww as the newbies to the game....Which leave everyone else.....

Okay, I'm going to go do a little more scrutinizing after I've found something to eat....

[Glirdan]

Quickly doing this for everyone:

Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn (please correct me if I'm wrong on this....)
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea

Okay, will be back shortly

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Let's all use our retractable votes so if a wold happens to trick us we're done. With my track record I'm saving mine

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

Lol. You're great. I'm not entirely sure he's joking though, or at least that he's being completely innocent in said joke. But again, paranoid.

[satansaloser2005]

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

++Legate


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

You best, I love that song.


*snuggles her Wonderlanders*

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by me

Why is Mira the most suspicious to you, my dear? Possibly you said so already and I just missed it.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Mostly because of this comment though:

Basically, "It's suspicious because it could go either way."

Hmm. Makes sense, I guess. I might go for Mira in lieu of the Lottie-wagon.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

However it's always best for the seer to not reveal during the last-minute voting frenzy.

But you never know when a Seer or other Gifted might be backed in a corner, thinking they're going to be lynched. Then, a reveal is their only chance.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I agree that this Lottie bandwagon doesn't look great. I'm still a bit confused as to why she looks so suspicious. From what I'm getting, it's because of her silly behaviour*, which tends to be a popular reason for a Day One vote, though more often than not that person turns out innocent. I can't really say yet if anyone who's part of the bandwagon is necessarily suspicious. There could be a wolf among them (4 voters now, right?), but there's also a good chance that all of them are just lazy and taking the easy route in terms of voting.

True, and Lottie could well be a wolf. This train just looks evil to me, though.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'd like to avoid this bandwagon, but let's all be careful about creating a second bandwagon too. Often a second bandwagon formed due to the disliking of the first can end up being just as disastrous, if not more when it's done last minute.

Also a good point. Trouble is, I'm not sure who else to go for.

x/d with Wilwa and Nog

[Inziladun]

Time to vote.

I'm tempted to go for Nog, since I still do not see the point of his 'case' against me. Then again, it would probably be a throwaway.

Let's see...

ww: newbie pass.

Mira: Hmm..I don't have anything on her beyond what Agan said.

Fea; I wasn't fond of her vote, but that seems rather reckless for a Feawolf, as it drew a lot of attention to her. That's not generally a desirable thing for a wolf.

It's the people who have jumped on the Lottie-train that are more worrying.
Nog said Greenie has RL reasons for maybe giving a dodgy vote.

Which leaves Lommy and Legate. But I don't really want to vote for either of them right now, because they've mostly been making sense otherwise.

In that case:

++Mira

[Nienna]

Zil I really don't like your vote. You are voting based on someone else's very weak suspicions. I'm not saying that Mira can't be guilty or even that she shouldn't be voted for but in the same post you write how you don't have anything against her except what Agan said and then you vote for her. I just don't like it.

Edit: x-ed with 2 Glirdys

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Zil I really don't like your vote. You are voting based on someone else's very weak suspicions. I'm not saying that Mira can't be guilty or even that she shouldn't be voted for but in the same post you write how you don't have anything against her except what Agan said and then you vote for her. I just don't like it.

Fair enough. I was actually thinking DL was now, for some reason, so I was rather rushed. Basically, I didn't (and don't) have much against her, but as I said, the other options didn't seem especially bright either.

x/d with Boro

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

(I don't think it's game-related, but it's an amusing coincidence nonetheless.)

Coincidence? Yes. Amusing? Not so much, no.

*flails and makes a little list*

Evil:
Greenie
Agan
Sally
Glirdy

Sally and Glirdy are wolves; either Greenie or Agan's a wolf and the other's the cobbler.

I trust:
Boro
Zil
Mira
Nog

The rest of you could easily be the last evil dude.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Fea; I wasn't fond of her vote, but that seems rather reckless for a Feawolf, as it drew a lot of attention to her. That's not generally a desirable thing for a wolf.

Well, Fea likes the attention no matter her role, which is the biggest question, because it serves no indication of her role. Ya, Ni is correct, she's being very "Fea" but that' doesn't mean much at this point, or it could mean anything.

It gives the "I don't care" persona, but that's quite far from the truth when it comes to Fea. She does, make no mistake. I wouldn't read too much into the Day 1 vote, there's no doubt a reason...could be as simple as being busy, and wanting to vote, or thinking that Day 1 really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

The good news is there's a ying and a yang. She loves the attention, and is certainly great at attracting it. Why she is? Who knows? However, carefully watch her for a few days and you can catch her if the motives are sinister. Just hope it's not too late, like when she was a recent lover and flat out owned the village and wolves' with Sauce.

[Brinniel]

Hmm...I see there's some Legate suspicion happening, and I'm not sure I like it. On one hand, his vote does look pretty bad and bandwaggonish. But then again, a move like that just seems too obvious to be coming from a wolfish Legate. From what I recall, he's much subtler than that when he's a wolf. I suppose it's always possible a wolfish Legate could be just changing up his style, but I'm not going to hold any suspicion on him based solely on that vote.

Anyway, it is time to vote:

++Fea

It's not unusual for her to vote out of thin air and disappear, and it doesn't say anything about her role. But for once, I'd like her to actually explain her vote. Voting that early without an explanation is a dangerous thing, and it can start bandwagons as we are already seeing. While it's certainly possible it's just an innocent Fea having fun, I could also very well see an evil Fea pulling it off thinking she can get away with such a vote with little scrutiny...she has before. And not only has she not explained her vote, but she has not made any sort of contribution. Only two posts, a vote and banter. Perhaps she is busy, but so am I. If you're going to make a vote, then explain it. Whether the reasoning is good or poor, there should always be at least some explanation. It doesn't take long to write a sentence or two.

EDIT: X-ed with Izzy

[Glirdan]

Okay, so I am back and with a slightly clearer (albeit, it's still a little hazed, not gonna lie) view on things.

Nogrod – Cheshire Cat

For some reason I never suspect this guy....Maybe it's just because he always comes across as the level-headed one among us (which is saying something this time around ) or maybe it's just a charm he has....Although his vote for Fea has me a little worried. Voting for her simply for initiating the voting for Lottie? What reason is that? The bandwagon for Lottie (at least the voting anyway) did not start until well AFTER she had voted.....Hmmm....

Wintywinty – Tweedledum

Newbie pass

Boro88 – the Caterpillar

No read on him as of yet....Want to vote him but that would just be a retaliation vote

Isabellkya – White Rabbit

Has been rather quiet this time around. Maybe there is something RL that is preventing her from being here, or maybe it is a Wolvish tactic to try and sneak by?

Mira – March Hare

I have no read of my fellow tea patron

Sally – the Dormouse

Seems to be, well, Sally: Confusing and unreadable (and thank you for getting out of the tea pot!) yet I see nothing that indicates Wolvish behavior....yet.

Agan – Queen of Hearts

Giving a pass to her as she hasn't played in a year and I don't want to see her go just yet and has also been making some wonderful contributions to the game.

Inzil – King of Hearts

No read on His Grace

Shasta – Knave of Hearts

His vote for Greenie came out of nowhere and looks to me as if it is a Wolf trying to perhaps save one of his own from being lynched. Yet would a Wolf be so bold?

Lottie – Duchess

I don't know what to make of her....However, last time I played with her, we both were innocent and she got lynched Day 1....after having pinned all three Wolves on Day 1 (The sad thing is it happened to me on Day 2 )

Nerwen – the Dodo

Seemed a little too overprotective of winty initially, but that could easily have been her being exasperated with the newbie.

Legate – Jabberwocky

Has definitely been one of the few people talking sense all Day. Yet his vote for Lottie has me a little perplexed. He stated that he did not like all the bandwagon votes and suspicions for her yet he himself later voted her? True he had stated suspicions of her for awhile, but his vote almost seems as if he's making it to ensure her being lynched....Hmmmm....

Morsul – the Mock Turtle

Has seemed very Morsul like....which bugs me....Yet last time I voted him, he ended up being the Hunter and he Hunter killed me....So I think I'm going to leave him be for the time being.

Nienna – White Queen

Seems to be flying under the radar....perhaps a little too much, at least for my liking. Wolvish tactic to stay clear perhaps?

Fea – Red Queen

Her vote for Lottie is the only thing that holds any suspicion for me, yet it could very well be a Cobbler tactic....However, as pointed out earlier, the Cobbler can prove to be our downfall later in the game. Or maybe the vote was simply to be rid of her retractable vote?

Skip – Humpty Dumpty

Also getting a Newbie pass

Lommy – the Gryphon

I have no read on her.

Greenie – White Knight

Her vote for Lottie seems kind of like a bandwagon vote to me.

Brinniel – Tweedledee

Her posts all well thought out and full of substance


Okay, will make a list, will post it in a few and perhaps with my vote as well.

EDIT: Xed with Zil, Boro, Moddess and who knows who else....

[Glirdan]

A Vote Update!


Fea -------> Lottie
winty -------> Brinn
Lommy ---> Lottie(2)
Boro ------> Glirdan
Greenie --> Lottie(3)
Morsul ----> winty
Agan ------> Mira
Legate ----> Lottie(4)
Skip -------> Fea
Shasta ----> Greenie
Sally -------> Legate
Nogrod ---> Fea(2)
Zil ----------> Mira(2)

[Glirdan]

Not Voting
Winty
Skip
Agan
Brinn
Morsul

Probably Won't Vote
Sally
Nerwen
Boro
Izzy
Mira
Inzil
Nienna
Lommy

Could Vote For
Fea
Lottie
Nogrod
Legate
Greenie
Shasta


By the by, this is not necessarily in order (as in the could vote for, just because Fea is at the top does not mean she's my top suspect)

EDIT: Xed wiht Lottie, Brinn and Izzy

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

[*highlight]++Legate[/highlight*]


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

If you want me to live to see another Day, try not wasting your vote on someone who is not at all likely to die.

[wintywinty]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

++Legate


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

This seems suspicious, as if he is attempting to remain innocent, but throws away a vote on someone who is obviously not going to be lynched, not helping save Lottie, even though he states he wants her to live.

[Thinlómien]

...? Now winwin seriously baffles me. I'll think about it toMorrow if we're both alive - now I'm too tired (just suddenly got veery sleepy, but after all it's midnight here...)

So, my vote

++Glirdan

I'm willing to give Zil the benefit of doubt for toDay, and I'm not convinced enough of Sally's guilt to give her a third vote, especially now that her recent defense has left me with mixed feelings. Mira? Brinn? Nog? Not enough actual points to make a vote against them. So Glirdan it is. For reasons:

Originally Posted by me

- Glirdan (says the bandwagon is ridiculous and asks why get rid of Lottie since she's good at spotting wolves... really, most of us are good at that at our best, and should we lynch those who aren't just to ensure they'll never learn?)

Originally Posted by me, bolding added only now to emphasise the point

Suspicious
Glirdan - weird comment against the Lottie wagon, had all the wagoned-for people on his suspicion list late yesterDay yet still made a throwaway vote and refused to take sides.

Have a good chat and lynch a wolf! Good night!


edit: xed with Agan & Mira

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Yes dear, would you care to explain that one for me please?

How about you first explain to me...

wintywinty's vote is more suspicious. I do agree with whoever suggested it might be of a wolfish nature and xe was told to act newbieish to allay suspicion. Or it could be a newbie mistake.

...why his vote is more suspicious because it could go either way? That was my main issue about your post, not the fact that you defended Fea.
Do you also want me to explain again why I suspected Morsul more than Lottie?

Oh and do you have any other reason to consider voting for me but that I suspect you?

And wintywinty now that you're apparently here, could you please answer my question? Who said Brinn is a good player?

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

How about you first explain to me...

...why his vote is more suspicious because it could go either way? That was my main issue about your post, not the fact that you defended Fea.
Do you also want me to explain again why I suspected Morsul more than Lottie?

Oh and do you have any other reason to consider voting for me but that I suspect you?

That was really me floundering for something to contribute than anything else. And no, I got the Morsul thing, and so far you suspicion is really the only reason I'm considering voting for you. I could look for more basis if you'd like.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

That was really me floundering for something to contribute than anything else. And no, I got the Morsul thing, and so far you suspicion is really the only reason I'm considering voting for you. I could look for more basis if you'd like.

That's quite interesting. Floundering for something to contribute?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Back from Alice in Wonderland to... Alirin in Wonderland. Okay, let's see...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

This looks to me a lot like a wolf preparing to leap on an easy victim (or turn on a packmate, whatever), then hastily going into damage control mode when it doesn't work out.

I have actually noticed that earlier too, just before I have left. I am keeping it in the back of my head, though my thoughts about sally are not particularly clear at the moment.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sally demands an explanation for this suspicion crap. Like, seriously?

I'll explain the thing with Morsul and Shasta though, because I can see how you would be confused. I suspected Morsul already and had been planning to say something about it, so when Shasta did as well I was like "Look, yay, support, I'm not crazy". Then Shasta says he realized Morsul was kidding (yeah, because NO ONE has every hidden behind jokes before, oh noes, never) and I thought it was strange because for pity's sake, that was a quick flip flop and quite the lame excuse. So then I made it clear that I suspected Morsul anyway, 'cause I hadn't been following Shasta in the first place, he just happened to post first.


Oh, and did no one see that I'd been suspecting Lottie from the beginning? Sure, Legate can say he started the trend but I said "Something's not right with her" well toward the beginning of the Day. (Yes, I know, I was clearly wrong, but that's not the point.) And I never went toward a "Save Lottie she's innocent" point of view. The only thing I said that could be read like that was that I wanted to not kill her on Day One (AGAIN) and that I thought there were better candidates.



Really, this is ridiculous. I think you've all been putting things in your tea.

But this sounds a rather too over-the-top defensive thing and somehow, the defense sounds just fabricated. That didn't help you at least in my eyes, sally. But whatever...

I am sure I had several more important things to say, but as I did not happen to quote them, I apparently forgot them. Okay, one of them was that I don't have any idea about Glirdan, and he does not seem suspicious to me (or suspicious enough to suspect him, if you get my meaning) as he does to many other people. Otherwise... something of Zil's replies made me think that he would be a lot more aggressive if he were a Wolf, on the other hand maybe he just doesn't want to retaliate on me as it would be dangerous for him... but anyway, I am still unsure about him. And yes, one last thing was probably Brinn, whose answer did not convince me about that there were not ulterior motives in not mentioning (nobody said she'd have to look at it herself, but she could have proposed it) looking at the bandwagon she was in (for more details to get a clear idea about what I mean by this look at one of my first posts toDay).

EDIT: x-ed with about ten posts since WW