WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Tea, gloriiiiiiious tea! I'd love a slice - I mean a bit - I mean a side - I mean a cup! Yes, yes, that's what I mean.

(And the vote of the Red Queen still bothers me.)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Yes indeed. The Duchess is one to keep an eye on. I don't trust people who make songs. Not at all. Songs make my forehead ache. Anyone who has time to make songs has time to make mischief. Has anyone seen my Queen? Off playing croquet again I suppose. At this rate we'll be out of hedgehogs by Sunday. We keep losing them.
What were we talking about? Songs? Why do songs make noise anyway? Why can't they be quiet? Can't you have a song without music or singing?
I'm going to find some tarts. Not that I know what's in them.

I don't sing my songs, if it helps. I sneeze them in direct contradiction of canon, 'cause I'm just awesome like that.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

As for all this Lottie nonsense....Well, I very much like singing. So I don't see anything THAT particular with her currently....but if she so much as touches my top hat.....

*touches your top hat*

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

(And the vote of the Red Queen still bothers me.)

I, as well, am rather bothered. You can tell - I'm yawning less frequently.

[wintywinty]

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.
++Tweedledee

[satansaloser2005]

*jerks awake*

STOP BLOODY VOTING FOR PEOPLE WITH NO REASON!

Erm....hello. When did you all get here? And would you like some tea? Some....some tea....



*slumbers once more*


ETA: An introduction. *waves* Hello there, winty. I'm Sally. Nice to meet you, blah blah I really shouldn't have edited this in but felt the need to say 'hello' properly so there it is.

ETA #2: Also, winty dear, your vote should technically be placed on a separate line. Just so Wilwa's head doesn't explode.

[Brinniel]

Umm, do votes for character names as opposed to player names count?

If that's meant to be a serious vote, then we're going to have a problem here. Because silly random throwaway votes based on banter that are cast within the first hours will get us nowhere. I hate Day Ones, but we can make them productive if we choose for them to be. Behaviour like this will just end up wasting the Day. Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Fea does not have to be a trendsetter!

Fea does have to be a trendsetter. There is no question about that.

[skip spence]

Pops in for few moments...

Hard to make out much at this point, is is not?

Winty could be a Bob Dylan-fan though, whatever that signifies.

Tweedle-dee Dee is a lowdown, sorry old man
Tweedle-dee Dum, he’ll stab you where you stand
“I’ve had too much of your company,”
Says Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee Dee

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.
++Tweedledee

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Duchess Lottie

Nerwen: clearly evil because she made my head hurt with Big Words and 'cause she's horrible when she's evil.

I motion that Your Grace take into consideration the fact that my sesquipedalian loquaciousness is exemplary of the practice popularly known as "role-playing" or "IC-posting". As Your Grace is aware, such "role-playing" is customary in one's preliminary post, and may also be continued in posts of a subsequent nature; however, in deference to Your Grace's wishes, I will undertake to suspend it on the present occasion.

(Also, it takes so darned long to say anything this way.)

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

Anyway, Mr Tweedledum, let me tell you that voting completely randomly is not well thought of, even on Day One.




*Sorry, but that name's just asking for the "Nerwen Treatment".

EDIT:X'd with Greenie and Sally.

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

Ms. GreenWhite Knight you can't help this being the oddest Day, we're all odd here... and you're too, or you wouldn't have come here. And what's this thing being all green and white at the same time anyway, if not odd?

And Mr. HumptySkipDumpty, it may be hard to make out much at this point, but the point is in the direction you wish to make it, isn't it not?

We'll get somewhere, we're sure to do that, whoever we lynch toDay. And after lynching long enough... the time will tell who wished for which direction, does it not?

One more thing. I'm relatively uneasy with LottieDuchesses' poetry - like it seems our FeaQueen is, whatever her alignment is or whether I approve of her methods of showing that. For the Duchess surely goes into that infamous mode of "no bad person, even insane one, would do that kind of a thing" - like screaming "Go wolves!" on D1...

You'll see me at the croquet match later.

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Thinlómien]

Hjckrrh!

(and that's as much IC as I will go toDay, I'm sorry )

So, what do we got?

Greenie's entrance post pretty much summed up my thoughts ("Did the rules say we have to play mad instead of just having a WW game in a mad setting?") but she didn't even try to do anything useful with the little time she had.

The others? Uhh...

Fea and ww (wouldn't that be a good nickname? ) made weird votes. I bet I know why Fea made her vote like that but I it's more fruitful to let you speculate than tell the right answer right now. Winty's vote is weirder, but we shouldn't judge a newcomer so harshly. Maybe s/he is not very acquainted with our way of playing this game - voting late in the Day and having serious discussion before it, not voting randomly in the beginning of the Day. Besides, Fea was showing bad example.

Lottie and Glirdan are a bit too excited about IC posting, but I don't think it makes them necessarily guilty.

Nienna's jumping on Lottie seems more sinister though, it seems ill-reasoned and opportunistic. Zil is the same, unless he's sarcastic...? Lottie herself doesn't take Fea's vote too seriously which speaks to me in her favour (unless Lottie and Fea are wolves together).

Nerwen and Shasta seem ok, and I have no read on Mira or Sally yet (too much banter) nor on Skip or Brinn (too little material).

Looking forward to more discussion...


edit: xed with scary grinning Nogrod

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

'Twas brilig, and the votling wustle
did mulsomingly pestiply,
not only fungoltch lamless parsle
but unpremining detrimy.

Beware the Jabberwock, my foes,
or friends who speak of "Day 1 noes"
when uffish Nogrod Borogrows
...all of you could be voted out.

In other words, I know certain members of the royal birth among us feel their right to checkmate from the start, I also know some of the newcomers to this party might be under the false impression that Day 1s are nothing to go with, but enough is enough and we should quickly stop it.

Just for the record of those who do not know, there is *plentiful* to go on with even on Day 1 - if you save your vote for later in the Day, that is, as by that time you can gather enoug hinformation, at least to help you decide whom you nightlike and whom you dislynch.

Because it is also easy for the Wolves to hide among random votes, if everybody made them, and also, I wonder as to whether a Cobbler would not give her or his presence away by making some stupid move... like voting randomly. Or something. Ahem.

EDIT: crossposted with the predicted Nogromiening pair.

[Aganzir]

YYYYEEEHAAAA!

Because I don't know pretty much anything about the books, I'm going to be sensible/boring (depends on your point of view) and not even try to post in character (except for the next few sentences).

Okay things in the order in which they occurred to me.

I am your Queen and it's my business to order executions. You are not allowed to hurt me.
In other words, I am going to be mad if somebody kills me during the first few days/nights because I haven't played in a year and it's going to be long till I have time to play again. But this is just my personal opinion.

Just thought to tell you that I spent the Night walking around Helsinki dressed as a wolf because a friend wanted me to play one for her Little Red Riding Hood art project.

I always wonder why, if the mod starts a day early, they allow the wolves to PM at the same time that the village can talk. I would so want to seize the opportunity to do something silly with my fellows if I was in that situation.

Hahaha Fea.

Originally Posted by Shasta

(And the vote of the Red Queen still bothers me.)

Hey Shasta why does Fea's vote bother you? And why do you say 'still' when that's the first time you say it?

Brinn seems to be her normal self (ie she slightly rubs me the wrong way). But yeah she speaks sense, unlike most of the others.

By the way winty, we shouldn't edit our posts except to mark cross-posting. And it's true there are no reasons for votes yet, but that's why we're talking. Sooner or later somebody says or does something suspicious. Of course it helps if we have some corpses whose relations to living players we can observe, but first we need to get going.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Agan: clearly evil as she is not with her King right now.

No it doesn't make me evil, it only makes me unfaithful.

Yippee Greenie's tone strikes me as overly self-conscious! Nothing has indeed changed during my absence! :-D

Originally Posted by Nerwen

*sigh* Now I suppose we have to decide whether this is innocent or guilty-looking. Would a wolfywolfy's* packmates have shown him the ropes on Night One, and told him not to do this? Or would they have left him in the dark in the hope that he'd look like a confused innocent? Or is he, in fact, innocent? You know, the usual.

Usually when a newbie wolf enters the pack the older team members tell them to look just as new and ignorant and confused as they normally would and not to give away the slightest hint that they have received nightly counsel. And you have been a wolf enough times to know this is true. Or are you speculating about what you did last night?
What exactly made you draw attention to winty after two posts? It looks like a Nerwolf looking for an easy lynch.

Originally Posted by Legate

Because it is also easy for the Wolves to hide among random votes, if everybody made them, and also, I wonder as to whether a Cobbler would not give her or his presence away by making some stupid move... like voting randomly. Or something. Ahem.

Ahem what? Are you perchance giving advice to somebody?

The seer should keep in mind that they can't trust their dreams 100% because the cobbler appears as innocent. Last time I played in a game where the seer couldn't discern the cobbler's true identity, we wolves totally used it to our advantage and left him alive although he was supposedly a known innocent, and in the end we won because we could control his vote... Ah fond memories! But yeah that's why I think the cobbler should be killed as soon as possible (ie if the seer says 'X is an ordo' but we think 'X is damn suspicious' => lynch X), I've played in too many a game (three readily spring to mind) where people have said, 'Let's go for the most wolfish-looking person, we can deal with the cobbler later.' Well, when there are fewer and fewer people left, nobody wants to 'waste' a lynch on the cobbler and ta-da, soon the cobbler plays a crucial role in the evil victory.
Also, if the Cursed is turned (and the risk exists until they die and we see they were the Cursed), it practically destroys the seer's known innocent list.
I am saying this now as I've said this before, because it's better if the seer isn't sure than if the seer is too sure and wrong.

Originally Posted by skippy

A seemingly random vote makes much more immediate sense for a wolf, does it not? An innocent person getting lynched is no problem for a wolf, and a wolf may even vote for a fellow wolf to avoid suspicions later on. Chances are that the wolf-mate won't get lynched anyhow.

In a way yeah, but because people don't like random votes, it's likely they'd demand the said random-voters head on a platter for it.
Basically a wolf can vote in any way whatsoever, and playing a major role in the lynching of a wolf doesn't redeem anybody because wolves might as well sacrifice one for the pack to make the rest look good.

Okay I'm going to be here for, hmm, half an hour before I have to go.

[Brinniel]

Ah, so I see it's been mostly banter so far, though it seems we're beginning to head toward a more productive path. It's not that I mind banter (unless it continues for half the Day), but with my limited schedule, I just don't have time to read it. So if anyone plans on placing serious comments within their song parodies, you probably should give a heads up if you want me to see it..

So far we have a Fea making a very Fea-ish vote. Since this kind of behaviour isn't unusual from her, it doesn't concern me terribly....though I do agree with the others that an explanation would be nice.

I don't have much else worthy of saying at the moment, and I really should be going to bed, so that's all for now. I'll make some more brief appearances during the Day and do my best to stay caught up. Until later.

[Loslote]

Seriousity? I can sort of comply. Sort of.

LIST!!!! Bwahaha.

Fea: clearly evil, as she voted for me, the epitome of wonderfulness.

Sally: clearly evil because she shed fur in Glirdy's tea.

Glirdy: clearly evil because he let Sally shed in his tea.

Zil: clearly evil as he does not have his Queen with him.

Agan: clearly evil as she is not with her King right now.

Shasta: clearly evil as he is dragging out his iiiiiiis.

Brinn: clearly evil as she does not have much time, just like she warned us.

Mira: clearly evil for breaking china.

Nerwen: clearly evil because she made my head hurt with Big Words and 'cause she's horrible when she's evil.

Nienna: clearly evil for...I don't know really, she actually looks evil, just on gut reaction.

Skip and Winty: clearly evil for not having played before.

And then others: clearly evil for not doing anything to make me notice them.

~~~

Alright, defend yourself!

EDIT: xed with Wint and Sally

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Tweedledum dislikes Tweedledee, his name sounds too much like me.

Heh. *pets you*

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*jerks awake*

STOP BLOODY VOTING FOR PEOPLE WITH NO REASON!

Erm....hello. When did you all get here? And would you like some tea? Some....some tea....

*agrees about the voting thing*

*although is seriously contemplating voting Nienna for making so much *sense**.

[wintywinty]

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.


-and Hello to you to Satansaloser2005

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.


-and Hello to you to Satansaloser2005

...is it just me, or does New Guy Wint remind you of Formy? Just sayin'...

[A Little Green]

*falls from horse*

Did the rules say we have to play mad instead of just having a WW game in a mad setting? Seriously, this is one of the oddest Day 1 beginnings I have ever seen. I dislike the votes so far, though that isn't to say anything on whether they are necessarily signs of wolvery or not.

My contribution toDay will be pretty much horrible - this is the worst possible day for me to be playing Werewolf - but I promise to be much more active in the Days to come! I've got to dash, but I'll return later. Try to be sensible, meanwhile. (It's easy for me to say, of course, given that I won't be around for most of toDay.. )

[satansaloser2005]

*glances up*

Who are all you strange people? There's some young woman all in green and a little man skipping over the fence....pence....sense....



(I don't like the voting either. Rubbish, I say, rubbish. I'm very confused.)

[Mirandir]

Apparently I was just kidding on the "this might take a while" thing. WW is way more entertaining than studying.

#30 banter, says participation will be shoddy

Can't say there's anything really suspicious about that.

#61 Questions my analysis of winty's vote, but doesn't find it suspicious. Find's Agan helpful but admits she always suspects her when she's innocent so maybe she's a wolf now. Apologizes for flip flopping. Doesn't like Lottie's "gut feeling" post. Thinks Lommy acting "purposefully mysterious" is wierd, but doesn't know if it's suspicious.

Sort of defends winty, isn't sure about Agan or Lommy, and doesn't like Lottie's logic. Lottie is now a known innocent. .

#86 Admits reasoning is "outrageously bad," afraid Lottie will become typical Day 1 easy lynch but is the only one she has a valid point on. Votes Lottie.

Unless I missed something, I wouldn't call not liking gut feelings a valid point. Pretty much I don't like it because now Lottie's a known innocent. But then again, hindsight is 20/20.

So pretty much my entire suspicion of Greenie is based on the fact that she voted Lottie yesterDay. Well that backfired. *headdesk*

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by wintywinty

Well considering how noone has died yet, nobody has a real reason for voting for anyone, therefore voting randomly is just as much a reason as voting for any other reason.

Okay, as a fellow newbie I'm thinking aloud here. There are 5 baddies (4 wolfs and a cobbler) and 15 innocents, right?

So, for an innocent, what are the chances of a completely random vote striking home? 5/19 or 26 % And the odds for collateral damage, as the US army so evasively expresses it, are subsequently 74 %. Unplayable odds, those. Of course, there's a good chance that any vote at this stage may prove meaningless but nevertheless:

A seemingly random vote makes much more immediate sense for a wolf, does it not? An innocent person getting lynched is no problem for a wolf, and a wolf may even vote for a fellow wolf to avoid suspicions later on. Chances are that the wolf-mate won't get lynched anyhow.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sumpling up to now.

'Twas brilig, and the Glirding Mirhares
have unstarted with nopoeham,
and Inzy were their simifroshares
no clue of either one of them.

Nienna didn't say much either, but at least seemed to be "concerned". Maybe. The same could be said of Shasta. Let me also note that sally looks all of a sudden far more reasonably behaving than usually in this company... (no offense)

wintywinty... well. I have said it basically above. As a newbie in any case, gets my benefit of doubt toDay, not going to lynch a newbie on Day 1... otherwise looking for more to know about him (her?)

I have no idea about what Fea wanted to accomplish, if it wasn't supposed to be in-character, so I just expect that when she shows up, she will give some explanation, if there is any.

'Twas Brinig... I wonder, not anything suspicious this far, her reaction to the votes (esp. the second one) maybe a bit too "reserved", but okay.

I am slightly at Lossloss, however I hope that as the posting continues, there will be higher frequasonable posts from her, which will help me to make a crilighter idmaginature of her.

Nerwenising Dodo, more or less Nerweanosable, which includes both typical Nerwenish behavior and being reasonable and being slightly nosy

Whittlegright, not suspicious now, yet she might easily be rading (yes, I mean as in "rade under the slipper" );

Juckprising Nogrin did catter much more and was much less - to my gasperate scaspation - Fearied about the winting votes;

thineasy fealing, seems to or wants to seem to know something more about Fea's vote than other people do (or at least more than I do) and even finds Lottie innocent on the basis of that, I would be much interested to know what it is, then. I can think of only one theory right now and if that's what she thinks, it's utter rubbish. Also the *jump* on Greenie felt sort of weird and, how would I say that, unnecessary. In any case, unexpected.

spencible, although a newbie Wolf who had just been instructed at Night might just as well have said the same.

So that's it in shrot.

EDIT: Aganixed.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

thineasy fealing, seems to or wants to seem to know something more about Fea's vote than other people do (or at least more than I do)

Anyone who has played with her before in games which have a certain rule (which this game has) should be able to read her behaviour as well as I do. Provided that I'm correct, of course...

[Morsul the Dark]

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

Either way I find the votes meaningless and suspect.

Other than that have 3 minutes till I leave for work won't get much done today I'll be on for an hour later at which point I'll have to vote.