T-I-G WW LXXIV: War of the Wolves - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 03-22-2010, 04:45 PM

Sorry to put all those parts of the posts there, but if one of them turns out a wolf that kind of easy-reference might prove handy later (and I had to do that anyway to get muself to read them in order).

So so me comments...

On the discussion on Wilwa.

Pitch says it's the most suspicious thing he's seen so far (after some round-abouts) - which is kind of all too easy.

Lommy doesn't take sides on suspicions but comments only on the general issue. Carefully decided not to comment on Wilwa herself?

Inzil sound opportunistic with his "interesting" and "keep it in mind".

Nerwen more or less defends Wilwa: "a Wolfwa would be more careful". Heh, were you two "more careful" in the last game?

Also it is interesting she tries to give a meta-reason (she's ill) to not think Wilwa suspicious.

Kit says it's no real sign against Wilwa (obviously... so what's the point?). Feels a bit protective.

The EW is satisfied with Wilwa's explanation... excuse me?

Inzil (second comment) misses the mark and ends up saying he would not vote on the basis of that - and that follows the new sentiment that people don't seem to suspect Wilwa that much... that could be seen as opportunistic as well.

Kit (second comment) notes Nerwen's and Inzil's reactions to the suspicion.

Izzy banged the head of the nail by saying what I was thinking about... so why I suspected Wilwa in the first place.

On the discussion on Nerwen

Pitch looks like trigger-happy again without committing himself too much (see above case Wilwa). I'm uneasy with him and the two "hits".

The EW says he will turn Nerwen's "bad conduct into a sign of innocence"... excuse me? It's the second time I just don't get him - but it might actually be just a different approach... but it bothers me still.

Inzil seems to be quick to join the group defending Nerwen - but still feels the need to re-explain after my re-stating of the point.

Sally takes the personal view: I do that as well and it's likely the same with her. Looks good, but if she is in cahoots with Nerwen she would probably have said the same...

Although (and this holds for all the people to come later as well) I'm not so sure anyone being Nerwen's packmate would think it advisable to comment on the issue at this point any more as basically everyone had already said there was nothing suspicious in there. So why relate themselves defending their mate (if Nerwen gets lynched / killed) as someone might come back to these discussions afterwards?

But Boro's "cut the crap, she's innocent" -attitude is way too overconfident for my liking. Especially the comment "let's leave it at that". Well, well, well...

Kit comes around now defending Nerwen... interesting, but probably more innocent than suspicious, regardless of Nerwen's role.

Pitch (second comment) is very carefully trying to not let the suspicion go but says he won't vote her without better reasons...

Okay. You can see quite a lot of what I think from these comments. Now I need to take a short break, read the rest that has come in while I have been writing these, and then make some kind of final remarks for the Day, vote and go to sleep.

Boromir88 · 03-22-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

But Boro's "cut the crap, she's innocent" -attitude is way too overconfident for my liking. Especially the comment "let's leave it at that". Well, well, well...

Pardon me. I did not say it was crap, nor that she was innocent. I said Nerwen acknowledged it, explained it, and we should not make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

My "leave it at that" was an attempt to indirectly say I'm uncomfortable with talk about the whole editting thing. It's meta-reason, and in some ways looks like Nerwen was being called a cheat, and speculating about how unfair it would be if Nerwen is a wolf.

What I didn't want to say, because it would have further gave attention to it, but since you Nogrod seem to want to anyway, and insist I said she was innocent.

If Nerwen's a wolf, she should be ashamed for deleting content she thought would make her look suspicious, when she knows the "unsaid" rule.

However, I find it a particularly unsporty thing to insinuate someone is a cheat, or consciously breaking the rule when there is no proof.

I have no issue with Kit pointing it out, it was good that she did to force an explanation from Nerwen. What I do have an issue with is now Nerwen must be a wolf because she editted out something without first telling us, and the insinuation that she's being unfair for doing it.

Nogrod · 03-22-2010, 05:22 PM

I see what you're pointing at Boro... and there are good reasons to say what you say - and I actually agree on them. The only problem is that I don't trust you and you would claim that same highground as a wolf... well as Nerwen's packmate.

But as I said, it was more the reactions stuff I was after. And maybe they will help us later. Hopefully they do. (And that's not just the question of Nerwen but how others reacted to that discussion)

Nogrod · 03-22-2010, 05:26 PM

Okay.

I have given this a lot of thought the last few hours.

Sorry to be the fun-killer but I must go to sleep. Hopefully there is enough to read from Day1 as it is now.

So let's "cut the crap" and lynch a werewolf.

++ Lommy

I'll make a few speculative notes in a separate post and then go to sleep - but if someone is going offline like this minute there it is.

I'm the seer and needed to find out Lommy as she fools me basically everytime. A good pick indeed.

EDIT: heh, x'd with the wolverine...

satansaloser2005 · 03-22-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay.

I have given this a lot of thought the last few hours.

Sorry to be the fun-killer but I must go to sleep. Hopefully there is enough to read from Day1 as it is now.

So let's "cut the crap" and lynch a werewolf.

++ Lommy

I'll make a few speculative notes in a separate post and then go to sleep - but if someone is going offline like this minute there it is.

I'm the seer and needed to find out Lommy as she fools me basically everytime. A good pick indeed.

EDIT: heh, x'd with the wolverine...

Hmmmm. Very nice indeed. Now which seer are you?

Go to bed, dear.

wilwarin538 · 03-22-2010, 05:40 PM

So I'm inclined to believe him, since I don't think a Nogwolfseer would reveal at this point, since he wasn't at risk of getting lynched and has a rangerwolf to protect him at Night. But an innocent!seer it makes more sense, since there are many chances he could die at Night, and would want that information out before that could happen. So yeah, I believe him, it just makes more sense.

I will therefore likely vote for Lommy, but I still want to wait....

x'ed with 2 Lommy 1 Nog

Thinlómien · 03-22-2010, 05:34 PM

What the heck Nogrod, I wanted to go to sleep!

I actually even spent like five minutes staring at the screen and wondering if I should just let it be and go to sleep. But I can't.

I don't get it. This action of Nogrod's doesn't make any sense. Not any sense. No sense, no no sense at all. Aiergh.

What are you Nogrod?

I can't see how this kind of lie would profit you - unless you're a wolf and your fellow's life was at stake.

Thinlómien · 03-22-2010, 05:38 PM

Sally the problem is that I can't see a wolf seer posting a false dream. It seems to me as a drastic move made by someone troubled, but whom?

A lover whose dearest is in danger? Doesn't still quite make sense.

But I'm sorry, I have to leave you with your own judgement here. I can't stay here and start an argument with Nogrod, it's 1.30am and I have an early morning. Do what you see best but gah at least Nogrod has probably stolen me from sleep tonight...

...

good night.

satansaloser2005 · 03-22-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sally the problem is that I can't see a wolf seer posting a false dream. It seems to me as a drastic move made by someone troubled, but whom?

A lover whose dearest is in danger? Doesn't still quite make sense.

But I'm sorry, I have to leave you with your own judgement here. I can't stay here and start an argument with Nogrod, it's 1.30am and I have an early morning. Do what you see best but gah at least Nogrod has probably stolen me from sleep tonight...

...

good night.

Exactly. Why would he lie? As a lover he'd be doomed either for lying or for being believed, and as the real gifted he'd have the same dilemma.

Like I said, I don't know which one he is, but I also don't know why he'd lie. My personal guess is that he's a wolf seer who has found you to be part of the other pack (or has dreamt you as a gifted and wants to eliminate you, but you'd have said something I think) and is willing to give himself up to help his pack eliminate one of the enemy.

Right now I'm interested in getting it down to two sides. It makes my life a lot easier for later on in the game. Three teams is too much for me.

Boromir88 · 03-22-2010, 05:41 PM

Well Lommy...he could be the seer and has a wolf. But I'm not sure why he would reveal Day 1? Ranger should protect him for another dream, but there are a lot of wolves, and if he IS the seer he will have to explain more than popping in and going.

Could be the wolf-seer who found one from another pack and is giving the dream up to look good. Though, the other pack won't want to keep him around longer.

Could be one of the other special wolves, only pretending to be the wolf seer to benefit his pack in some way.

In any case he made my head hurt more....need coffee

satansaloser2005 · 03-22-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well Lommy...he could be the seer and has a wolf. But I'm not sure why he would reveal Day 1? Ranger should protect him for another dream, but there are a lot of wolves, and if he IS the seer he will have to explain more than popping in and going.

Could be the wolf-seer who found one from another pack and is giving the dream up to look good. Though, the other pack won't want to keep him around longer.

Could be one of the other special wolves, only pretending to be the wolf seer to benefit his pack in some way.

In any case he made my head hurt more....need coffee

*hugs you* It's okay. We're all mad here. ^_^

Nogrod · 03-22-2010, 05:38 PM

So.

Being a seer in a game where half the village have you as their primary target and have two seers among them to help isn't the easiest one. Add to that the possibility of more than two deaths by Night in this small village... and the fact that you can't "play the hide and seek" up to the last hours as the DL is impossible.

Sorry about partly spoiling the Day. (I'm sure you have things to discuss the rest of the Day but it's a bit anti-climax if the seer reveals early on D1.)

But we have one wolf there and I'll get one more dream.

Also if the ranger protects me the coming Night, both wolf-teams need to attack me the next Night and at least one innocent death is avoided. They can't afford trusting the other team would do the work for them while they might kill one of them. The balance of the mutual threat that is called.

EDIT: X'd with everyone since my last post

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-22-2010, 05:41 PM

So, for now... I really have to vote now and then I have to go to sleep and I have to wake up in six hours from now, which is disgusting, so I am going to just do this short and vote. Which is horrible, as I would need something like three more hours to go through everybody's posts again and recheck. So very, very, very, very brief review of my feelings about people now:

Red area - total Wolvery: not really anybody in particular, but well. I guess no can do.

Orange area: Pitchwife (well! Believe me or not, it's all this generally-Mr.-Agreeable stuff, and personal paranoia as stated above), Nerwen (getting worried all the time)

Yellow area - low threat: Inzil, Nogrod, Shasta - basically with all of these, would need to look at them better!!! No time now.

Green area - basically meaning nothing to give any strong reasons to suspect, or reasons at all: Kitanna (some reasonable words), Sally (happy-go-sometimes nothing, but sometimes something to say), Wilwa (excusing some confusing-looking things with her momentary state, otherwise no reasons to suspect), TEW (nothing in particular)

Slightly more greener area, i.e. more inclined to think as innocents (okay, now I see I should have chosen to distribute the color scheme somewhat differently, but whatever): Lommy (genuine-looking), Morsul (looking like his innocent self), Boro (honestly reasonable-looking)

Totally green area: nobody

Okay, so be it. I have no time to think here more about this and go though stuff, I really need to go to sleep and this timing just didn't fit well with me. My best suspect be

++Pitchwife

Although to be really sort of "reassured", I would have liked to go through all posts again, but I can't do that. Okay, good night, village. Hope to see lot of us toMorrow still.

EDITNOTE: Okay! It took me a long while to sum my thoughts on this post and anyway it wasn't enough time, but it took long time for some things to happen on the thread, but I am not going to react on that! I have to go to sleep! Too late, incredible, why? I cannot think about it now. Nogrod! Why? Okay. I can't think about it now. GOOD NIGHT. Posting and voting as I have decided before. No other chances. (This effectively means, crossed with all the Nogrod stuff!!!!)

Nogrod · 03-22-2010, 05:46 PM

Love you my little wolfling! You sounded so earnest I almost had to check back I was right...

But to answer your trial of rebuttal...

As Wilwa says (and as I told in my last post), it makes perfect sense.

The innocent seer has quite a few choices with one wolf bagged at this point. The chances of getting killed by Night are considerably high, there are two baddie-seers after you (who get to know your gift, mind you!), just hinting about the wolf might be ignored by the ranger or by the village the next Day - and the dream would be lost ... also I can possibly save one innocent life on N3 with revealing now, etc.

RDIT: X'd with everything after Wilwa...

wilwarin538 · 03-22-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

both wolf-teams need to attack me the next Night and at least one innocent death is avoided. They can't afford trusting the other team would do the work for them while they might kill one of them. The balance of the mutual threat that is called.

*is impressed*

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Originally Posted by Sally

Like I said, I don't know which one he is, but I also don't know why he'd lie. My personal guess is that he's a wolf seer who has found you to be part of the other pack (or has dreamt you as a gifted and wants to eliminate you, but you'd have said something I think) and is willing to give himself up to help his pack eliminate one of the enemy.

Why would he do that? He could just kill her at Night and then get to live longer. That certainly can not make sense to you.

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Originally Posted by Boro

But I'm not sure why he would reveal Day 1? Ranger should protect him for another dream, but there are a lot of wolves, and if he IS the seer he will have to explain more than popping in and going

*is boggled*

I don't get why people are so confused by this. He's NOG, I'll be honest that if I was Nog I would do the same thing, because I think he's once of the biggest threats in WW, and especially in a game like this he is a likely Night kill choice. So Nogseer finds a wolf, knows he could possibily get Night killed before he could give us this info, knows how important it is to get wolves early because there are so many, and reveals knowing he will still get atleast 1 more dream.

It makes sense.

x'ed with a bunches, head hurts

Boromir88 · 03-22-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wilwarin538

*is boggled*

I don't get why people are so confused by this. He's NOG, I'll be honest that if I was Nog I would do the same thing, because I think he's once of the biggest threats in WW, and especially in a game like this he is a likely Night kill choice. So Nogseer finds a wolf, knows he could possibily get Night killed before he could give us this info, knows how important it is to get wolves early because there are so many, and reveals knowing he will still get atleast 1 more dream.

I was under the impression with 6 wolves the Seer would try to stay alive to get as many as possible. I grant perhaps in this format, that would be hard and more beneficial for Nog to be doing what he just did.

I'm not enthusiastically jumping on board because it doesn't make "perfect sense" as you claim. Nog was in no trouble, and yes he's a likely wolf target...but seriously you can say everyone is a wolf target! Lommy, Legate, Pitch, Inzil, sally, Izzy myself, you...wilwa I swear everyone has been killed by the wolves on Night 1 before. So, no, I don't completely by the "I'm going to die Night 1 so I have to," not without properly thinking and hearing more from Nog than "I'm the seer Lommy's a wolf."

I can think of many scenarios where a wolf-Nogrod, with a ranger!wolf in his pack, could possibly benefit from a move like this. If not only for the confusion and headache it is going to cause!

Boromir88 · 03-22-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I see what you're pointing at Boro... and there are good reasons to say what you say - and I actually agree on them. The only problem is that I don't trust you and you would claim that same highground as a wolf... well as Nerwen's packmate.

But as I said, it was more the reactions stuff I was after. And maybe they will help us later. Hopefully they do. (And that's not just the question of Nerwen but how others reacted to that discussion)

Indeed I would, you lot know me all too well. With that said now, and having my say about it, I can move on to all the cross-posting that just happened.

Inziladun · 03-22-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

No, no, these were two different things. Being "mightily scared" is a feeling: a subjective feeling, knowing that Nerwen can be a terrible Wolf, and not getting for now very good impression from her. The list I posted later was a list of my level of suspicion about people in general after a reflection about the subject.

Hmm. It wouldn't have looked as off to me if you'd clarified it in the later post. As it was, the change looked rather jarring.
As for Pitch, yes I did forget about his first post when I wrote that. But when he said he 'applauded' you, he apparently was simply glad to see some serious discussion afer all the banter. Was that really 'buttering you up'?

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

And should I add that those who skipped the discussion alltogether are the most suspicious?

Why is that? And why are the people who discussed the matters also suspicious? You can't have it both ways.

x/d with everything since 87- An event has occurred!

03-22-2010, 04:45 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Sorry to put all those parts of the posts there, but if one of them turns out a wolf that kind of easy-reference might prove handy later (and I had to do that anyway to get muself to read them in order). So so me comments... On the discussion on Wilwa. Pitch says it's the most suspicious thing he's seen so far (after some round-abouts) - which is kind of all too easy. Lommy doesn't take sides on suspicions but comments only on the general issue. Carefully decided not to comment on Wilwa herself? Inzil sound opportunistic with his "interesting" and "keep it in mind". Nerwen more or less defends Wilwa: "a Wolfwa would be more careful". Heh, were you two "more careful" in the last game? Also it is interesting she tries to give a meta-reason (she's ill) to not think Wilwa suspicious. Kit says it's no real sign against Wilwa (obviously... so what's the point?). Feels a bit protective. The EW is satisfied with Wilwa's explanation... excuse me? Inzil (second comment) misses the mark and ends up saying he would not vote on the basis of that - and that follows the new sentiment that people don't seem to suspect Wilwa that much... that could be seen as opportunistic as well. Kit (second comment) notes Nerwen's and Inzil's reactions to the suspicion. Izzy banged the head of the nail by saying what I was thinking about... so why I suspected Wilwa in the first place. On the discussion on Nerwen Pitch looks like trigger-happy again without committing himself too much (see above case Wilwa). I'm uneasy with him and the two "hits". The EW says he will turn Nerwen's "bad conduct into a sign of innocence"... excuse me? It's the second time I just don't get him - but it might actually be just a different approach... but it bothers me still. Inzil seems to be quick to join the group defending Nerwen - but still feels the need to re-explain after my re-stating of the point. Sally takes the personal view: I do that as well and it's likely the same with her. Looks good, but if she is in cahoots with Nerwen she would probably have said the same... Although (and this holds for all the people to come later as well) I'm not so sure anyone being Nerwen's packmate would think it advisable to comment on the issue at this point any more as basically everyone had already said there was nothing suspicious in there. So why relate themselves defending their mate (if Nerwen gets lynched / killed) as someone might come back to these discussions afterwards? But Boro's "cut the crap, she's innocent" -attitude is way too overconfident for my liking. Especially the comment "let's leave it at that". Well, well, well... Kit comes around now defending Nerwen... interesting, but probably more innocent than suspicious, regardless of Nerwen's role. Pitch (second comment) is very carefully trying to not let the suspicion go but says he won't vote her without better reasons... Okay. You can see quite a lot of what I think from these comments. Now I need to take a short break, read the rest that has come in while I have been writing these, and then make some kind of final remarks for the Day, vote and go to sleep. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-22-2010, 05:22 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I see what you're pointing at Boro... and there are good reasons to say what you say - and I actually agree on them. The only problem is that I don't trust you and you would claim that same highground as a wolf... well as Nerwen's packmate. But as I said, it was more the reactions stuff I was after. And maybe they will help us later. Hopefully they do. (And that's not just the question of Nerwen but how others reacted to that discussion) __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-22-2010, 05:26 PM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. I have given this a lot of thought the last few hours. Sorry to be the fun-killer but I must go to sleep. Hopefully there is enough to read from Day1 as it is now. So let's "cut the crap" and lynch a werewolf. ++ Lommy I'll make a few speculative notes in a separate post and then go to sleep - but if someone is going offline like this minute there it is. I'm the seer and needed to find out Lommy as she fools me basically everytime. A good pick indeed. EDIT: heh, x'd with the wolverine... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-22-2010, 05:40 PM	#6
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	So I'm inclined to believe him, since I don't think a Nogwolfseer would reveal at this point, since he wasn't at risk of getting lynched and has a rangerwolf to protect him at Night. But an innocent!seer it makes more sense, since there are many chances he could die at Night, and would want that information out before that could happen. So yeah, I believe him, it just makes more sense. I will therefore likely vote for Lommy, but I still want to wait.... x'ed with 2 Lommy 1 Nog __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

03-22-2010, 05:34 PM	#7
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	What the heck Nogrod, I wanted to go to sleep! I actually even spent like five minutes staring at the screen and wondering if I should just let it be and go to sleep. But I can't. I don't get it. This action of Nogrod's doesn't make any sense. Not any sense. No sense, no no sense at all. Aiergh. What are you Nogrod? I can't see how this kind of lie would profit you - unless you're a wolf and your fellow's life was at stake. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-22-2010, 05:38 PM	#8
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Sally the problem is that I can't see a wolf seer posting a false dream. It seems to me as a drastic move made by someone troubled, but whom? A lover whose dearest is in danger? Doesn't still quite make sense. But I'm sorry, I have to leave you with your own judgement here. I can't stay here and start an argument with Nogrod, it's 1.30am and I have an early morning. Do what you see best but gah at least Nogrod has probably stolen me from sleep tonight... ... good night. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-22-2010, 05:41 PM	#10
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Well Lommy...he could be the seer and has a wolf. But I'm not sure why he would reveal Day 1? Ranger should protect him for another dream, but there are a lot of wolves, and if he IS the seer he will have to explain more than popping in and going. Could be the wolf-seer who found one from another pack and is giving the dream up to look good. Though, the other pack won't want to keep him around longer. Could be one of the other special wolves, only pretending to be the wolf seer to benefit his pack in some way. In any case he made my head hurt more....need coffee __________________ Fenris Penguin

03-22-2010, 05:41 PM	#13
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	So, for now... I really have to vote now and then I have to go to sleep and I have to wake up in six hours from now, which is disgusting, so I am going to just do this short and vote. Which is horrible, as I would need something like three more hours to go through everybody's posts again and recheck. So very, very, very, very brief review of my feelings about people now: Red area - total Wolvery: not really anybody in particular, but well. I guess no can do. Orange area: Pitchwife (well! Believe me or not, it's all this generally-Mr.-Agreeable stuff, and personal paranoia as stated above), Nerwen (getting worried all the time) Yellow area - low threat: Inzil, Nogrod, Shasta - basically with all of these, would need to look at them better!!! No time now. Green area - basically meaning nothing to give any strong reasons to suspect, or reasons at all: Kitanna (some reasonable words), Sally (happy-go-sometimes nothing, but sometimes something to say), Wilwa (excusing some confusing-looking things with her momentary state, otherwise no reasons to suspect), TEW (nothing in particular) Slightly more greener area, i.e. more inclined to think as innocents (okay, now I see I should have chosen to distribute the color scheme somewhat differently, but whatever): Lommy (genuine-looking), Morsul (looking like his innocent self), Boro (honestly reasonable-looking) Totally green area: nobody Okay, so be it. I have no time to think here more about this and go though stuff, I really need to go to sleep and this timing just didn't fit well with me. My best suspect be ++Pitchwife Although to be really sort of "reassured", I would have liked to go through all posts again, but I can't do that. Okay, good night, village. Hope to see lot of us toMorrow still. EDITNOTE: Okay! It took me a long while to sum my thoughts on this post and anyway it wasn't enough time, but it took long time for some things to happen on the thread, but I am not going to react on that! I have to go to sleep! Too late, incredible, why? I cannot think about it now. Nogrod! Why? Okay. I can't think about it now. GOOD NIGHT. Posting and voting as I have decided before. No other chances. (This effectively means, crossed with all the Nogrod stuff!!!!) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-22-2010, 05:46 PM	#14
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Love you my little wolfling! You sounded so earnest I almost had to check back I was right... But to answer your trial of rebuttal... As Wilwa says (and as I told in my last post), it makes perfect sense. The innocent seer has quite a few choices with one wolf bagged at this point. The chances of getting killed by Night are considerably high, there are two baddie-seers after you (who get to know your gift, mind you!), just hinting about the wolf might be ignored by the ranger or by the village the next Day - and the dream would be lost ... also I can possibly save one innocent life on N3 with revealing now, etc. RDIT: X'd with everything after Wilwa... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...