WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum: Holding Cells(Game Thread)

[Kitanna]

*cough cough wheeze* I'm sick today so chances are I'll probably only be making this one long post where I look at those who are still alive. And then I'll vote closer to deadline, but don't expect too much else out of me today.

Onto business:
Nerwen:
Day 1: Post 1: Starts out the day with a "go wolves" statement, that eventually becomes a topic of debate. She also comments like Lottie did on Boro possibly hinting to the wolves.
Post 2: Banter to begin with, but shifts to something more serious in regards to Boro hinting.

Well, then: wolves and cobblers don't often jump straight in and start hinting away in the very first post of the game. So it probably wasn't a hint. But then again it might be. Or maybe not. Who knows?

She won't pin herself to a theory one way or the other.
Post 3: Banter
Post 4: Banter for part, but switching to another serious remark, poising the question to the village:

We've got three unusual factors: two wolves, no Seer, and a tiny village. Would the wolves be able to ignore each other?

Post 5: Between her usual banter Nerwen does make the point that wouldn't wolves want to distance themselves early on since the village is so small and a trail would be easier to follow.

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.

An interesting notion, but...
Post 6: Says she's getting a cobbler vibe from Lottie and that Pitch is creeping her out. Judging by the quotes she highlighted it seems her issue with Pitch is that Pitch doesn't appreciate the in-game banter she has been employing thus far.
Post 7: Banter
Post 8: Calls Lottie opportunistic because she feels Lottie is basing her statements on joke posts.
Post 9: Continues a defense of herself against Lottie's reasons for voting for her.
Post 10: More of the same
Post 11: Backs off her defense with Lottie to mention Pitch, Durelin, Wilwa, and Boro. She's not sure how she feels about Durelin, doesn't think Pitch looks right, and questions Wilwa and Boro's voting for one another. Though it looks more like she's suspicious of Wilwa.
Post 12: Comments on Glirdan's idea that her and Lottie are doing some wolf on wolf arguing. States she's defending herself as she sees fit.
Post 13: Says she'll vote Lottie or Wilwa.
Post 14: Votes Lottie
Post 15: Has the gut feeling Lottie is only the cobbler
Day 2: Post 1: Apologizes to Lottie for being right about Boro and because the village lynched her. Also mentions my idea that Wilwa is a wolf who daringly killed Boro in the night, says it's possible and that Wilwa's reasons for voting weren't good. Talks about Glirdan's vote for Lottie as well.
Post 2: Questions why suspicions came up about me. Questions Glirdan as to why he's adamant she's the cobbler and not Lottie (the conversation quoted is from Day 1). Says his accusations are "with the flow" and says Sally's are from lazy playing.
Post 3: Says she was Sally's top suspect until Nogrod and Durelin mentioned me and then comments how Sally voted me.
Post 4: Votes Sally, but says she's not liking Glirdan either.
Day 3: Post 1: Asks Sally why she switched back to Nerwen as her top suspect. Asks when Sally will commit to a suspicion rather than saying this person "feels evil".
Post 2: Responds to Isa about Sally and her accusations.
Conclusion:: Nerwen looked better to me on Day 1 than she did Day 2. She has lots of banter, but also raising questions that if they achieve no other end at least stir up conversation. The one thing I wonder about is her suggestion to ask "if you were a wolf what would you do? How would you act?" This seems like an exercise in futility because who would answer that honestly? On Day 2 though it looked to me like she was going to vote Glirdan, yet she voted Sally. Her case against both seems to revolve mostly around them being somewhat opportunistic.

And in fact all his suspicions have that "going with the flow" look to them. Reminds me a lot of the way he played last game.

As for Sally herself– in that same post, all her suspicions are variants of "Just seems evil. Yeah." Which is, at best, very lazy playing.

Today she's sticking with Sally rather than looking at anyone else. Though she still has time too, but if her vote were to be cast now I'd be surprised and concerned if she voted for anyone other than Sally.
Also, Nerwen says the wolves would be distancing themselves from each other. If Nerwen is a wolf she's being careful to distance herself from plenty of players so as not to leave a trail.
Sally:
Day 1: Post 1: Banter
Post 2: Banter
Post 3: Banter, says she's going to look at things with a more critical eye.
Post 4: Banter
Post 5: Banter
Post 6: This is her epic post where Sally seemed to forget how to use the quote button. Says Boro looks fine. Says Wilwa looks to like "ra-ra village". Agrees with Glirdan that there's too much overanalyzing of Boro's "hint", but says there's nothing else going on.

Yes, but at the same time the wolves may often hide by posing as cobblers. So looking for cobblerish behavior can in fact help us. Of course no two wolves are the same so we have to employ a variety of wolf-hunting strategies. *nods*

Probably the most helpful thing she had said so far. A lot of stuff in the post is vague statements like "it could be this way, unless of course it's not." She highlights this and that, but doesn't really give a solid opinion one way or the other.
Post 7: Apologizes for epic post of quotes.
Post 8: Nothing substantial
Post 9: Banter
Post 10: Banter
Post 11: Lists top suspects. Wilwa, Nerwen, and Durelin with details. Wilwa feels off, Nerwen has changed her playing style from what innocent Nerwen would do, and Durelin also seems off to her. Wilwa and Nerwen are her top suspects and Durelin falls into "not as guilty" pile. Lottie and Pitch are there also.
Post 12: Comments that there are six votes for six people
Post 13: Votes for Wilwa based on previous suspicions. Which were...? Wilwa seemed off to her.
Post 14: Banter
Day 2: Post 1: Says Pitch is thinking too much, Durelin is insane, Nogrod is probably innocent, Nerwen is acting like she has a role, Wilwa is still off, I'm both wolfish and maybe not wolfish at the same time, Izzy has nothing, and wants to give Glirdan more time to respond.

Speaking of which, there's far too much discussion about Wilwa. If she's a wolf, fine, but she's not the only one, so let's diversify some more

Interesting...
Post 2: Says my post is wolfish, but maybe I'm not.
Post 3: Banter
Post 4: Says she'll vote me when, as Nerwen put it, before she was on the fence. Lists Wilwa and Nerwen as well.
Post 5: Votes for me
Day 3: Post 1: Banter
Post 2: Gives a list she made without use of the internet. Nerwen is guilty, Wilwa is likely guilty, needs to look harder at Durelin, doesn't say much about Izzy instead tells a story, Nogrod is most likely innocent, says I'm guilty if Nerwen isn't.

Wilwa/Nerwen
Wilwa/Durelin (just a hunch and a gut, really, nothing to base it off of)
Kit/Izzy (would be good for a wolf like Kit to have a quiet partner)
Nog/Durelin (we would so be screwed, no joke)
Nog/Nerwen (ah, a crafty team indeed, and if Nog was a wolf it would make sense)
Nerwen/Izzy (again with the quiet partner, and I just sense a vibe thing between them)
Wilwa/Kit (very possible, though I’d need to investigate it more)
Durelin/Kit (an unlikely pairing, but lack of likelihood based on their behavior makes me think)
Sally/Fea (Clearly the evil ones. Let’s lynch them straightaway!)

Conclusion: I find it interesting Sally only acts on people who seem off, but doesn't provide any real evidence. I find it extremely bizarre she is pretty consistent in her stance against Wilwa, but doesn't like that at one point the village seemed focused on her. That waves a red flag in my face. Sally has been loud, but not exactly committed to her ideas. Rather she's vague which is a pretty easy way to hide.
Wilwa: Since I looked at Wilwa's Day 1 I will skip them and move into Day 2 and beyond.
Day 2: Post 1: Defends herself against Glirdan's accusation she did a 180 on Boro. Most of the post is a response to things Glirdan had said against her.
Post 2: Says/agrees wolves probably didn't kill Boro because they thought he was the cobbler.
Post 3: Says who looks good and admits she doesn't really have any suspects. Durelin and Nerwen confuse her and she says Glirdan looks the worst (she had pointed out some stuff in her first post of the day, so no surprise there.)
Post 4: Nothing
Post 5: votes Glirdan.
Day 3: Post 1: Comments that Sally is still going by feelings rather than evidence. She doesn't like how Sally says it for so many people (in the post she highlights where Sally has said it). Says she doesn't understand Durelin and Sally.
Post 2: Prepared to vote for Sally or possibly Durelin.
Post 3: Digs up some stuff on Durelin. Sally and Durelin seem to remain at the top of her list. Izzy and Nerwen give her no reading. Everyone else feels semi-good to her.
Conclusion: Since the Day 1 bantering is over and done with I feel better about Wilwa. I thought maybe she could be a wolf pair with Glirdan, but he's been proven innocent and her side of their Day 1 argument didn't look nearly as suspicious as his did. Right now, I'm not worried about her.
Isabel:
Day 1: Post 1: Banter
Post 2: Doesn't think Boro looks suspicious. Says joking and serious should balance each other out.
Post 3: Asks Lottie why Nerwen and Wilwa are her top suspects based on bantering.
Post 4: Asks why nerwen would proclaim herself as evil. Says this is a silly wolf move, but maybe not so silly for the cobbler.
Post 5: Continues to question Lottie.
Post 6: I'm not entirely sure of the context of this post and I don't feel like backtracking to figure it. (there I admit fully my laziness :P)
Post 7: Continued argument with Lottie.
Post 8: Votes Lottie.
Day 2: Post 1: Glad to see cobbler dead.
Post 2: "Recaps" argument Lottie and Nerwen had among other things.
Post 3: Nerwen held on to her vote to potentially finagle it. Says Nerwen gives her a bad gut feeling, doesn't like what Sally has said, says Wilwa is baiting Glirdan, says Pitch gave myself and Durelin free passes for our Lottie votes and that he was too confident Lottie was innocent, doesn't like Glirdan's bandwagon vote, doesn't see me as evil, and suspects Nogrod mostly for meta-game and thinks he's playing dirty in regards to her crossposting with Glirdan.
Post 4: Doesn't know what to feel about Durelin. Gut tells her mildly-evil
Post 5: Back and forth with Durelin.
Post 6: Votes Durelin on gut. (based on her reason could have voted anyone)
Day 3:Post 1: Doesn't like Sally's reasoning toward Nerwen.
Conclusion: Day 1 Izzy doesn't provide any real suspects. She questions Lottie a bit, but doesn't say if she really suspects her until her vote. Day 2 doesn't give much else either. She says anyone could be evil the way she's feeling, but to me she had more suspicions for Pitch or maybe even Nerwen, but not Durelin.

Ugh Nogrod and Durelin remain, but the thought of this continued analysis is killing me. So, I will return in an hour or so to finish those two and then list my top suspects.

[Nogrod]

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Fry bacon in a pan, add onion, garlic and carrot and saute well (do not burn). Add the meat (good meat chopped finely or quality mince). When the meat is browned add some milk and let it evaporate. Then add some red wine and let it evaporate as well. Season to your taste (thyme, oregano, basil, chili...), salt and pepper of course. Then add canned tomatoes, some tomato puré and little water. Cover and simmer gently for 3 hours (or more) adding water occasionally to not let it dry.

Enjoy with spaghetti or as part of a lasagne. Ab fab!


Hmm... Pitch was an interesting choice. I could see people that would have been harder to get lynched than him, so was there something in there or were they just scared of the Batman? Or both at the same time as someone suggested?

[Nogrod]

Interesting. On D1 Nerwen and Izzy made a joint cross-examination of Lottie and that led to her lynch. Now they are again together pressing on Sally... That looks so like team-effort - or the other trying to please the other sharing the points and creating a good feeling & an illusion of "mutual understanding".

Now Sally may be a baddie. And Izzy & Nerwen can be both innocents. But what bothers me is their clear lack of interest to take a wider picture or trying to look outside the box they have chosen to stay in both of them.

Concentrating one's effort on someone who is a good lynch candidate and being careful not to offend or suspect anyone else is just soo wolfy...

Izzy and Nerwen have done that twice now.

Like I said, I'm not as yet convinced they both are wolves, but the way they "hunt together" one target at the time sure raises eyebrows...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Interesting. On D1 Nerwen and Izzy made a joint cross-examination of Lottie and that led to her lynch. Now they are again together pressing on Sally... That looks so like team-effort - or the other trying to please the other sharing the points and creating a good feeling & an illusion of "mutual understanding".

Now Sally may be a baddie. And Izzy & Nerwen can be both innocents. But what bothers me is their clear lack of interest to take a wider picture or trying to look outside the box they have chosen to stay in both of them.

Concentrating one's effort on someone who is a good lynch candidate and being careful not to offend or suspect anyone else is just soo wolfy...

Izzy and Nerwen have done that twice now.

Like I said, I'm not as yet convinced they both are wolves, but the way they "hunt together" one target at the time sure raises eyebrows...

I'd rather noticed that too. Of course it could be unintentional on one of their parts but you never know. It seems too easy, but I'd love for it to be so.


Also, go Kit on the epic post. Now get some rest. *gives tea and cookies*


As I mentioned before (although I just posted it so whoops on my part heh) I found them both a threat, but decided that taking a marginal risk to lynch Kit was better for the village than me wasting a vote on Nerwen when I wasn't sure anyone else would vote her. I voted for the lesser of two evils (if you will) with hopes of catching any evil at all. Does that make more sense?


EDIT: x'd since my last

[Isabellkya]

A quick note.

Nerwen and I are not hunting together Nog.
I have no more idea to her alignment as I do anyone else's.

Your insistence that I have only focused on a single person each day is wrong. Which leads me to believe that you are picking and choosing specific details regarding people, to set-up your vote to make it look better. Who would need to set-up their vote? Wolves only.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry to be a pain, but I've a headache coming on and I'll be needed more later tonight than I will be right now. I'm going to pop off for a bit, but I'll be back.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

commenting enough to get by and sticking pretty well to those she suspects

Oh my, really? And according to Wilwa I'm in trouble for changing my mind about Sally.

You're reading me the wrong way, Kit. You read perhaps the most into my posts of anyone's (and mine are the shortest and the fewest! maybe that's why?) You're grasping but you're not grasping as much as some. Like Wilwa and...

Sally acting like a wolf under some pressure?

Nogrod still bugs me. He seems more agreeable than usual (in a trying to be nice and pleasant sort of sense), but I haven't really agreed with him much. And he just discussed how the wolves would try to be as pleasant as possible and stick to suspecting the fewest people possible. Hm.

I am getting similar feelings from Isabel and Nerwen (similar between them, not similar to Nog), but don't particularly suspect them right now, actually. And that's bugging me, too.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Sally acting like a wolf under some pressure?

I'm under some pressure where? And I'm acting like a wolf where?


Thought not. Thanks for sharing though. Here, have a cookie.


You do have a point about Nog, strangely enough. I'm rather frightened by how much we're agreeing. *hides in her hidey hole*

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Your insistence that I have only focused on a single person each day is wrong.

Nope. I haven't said that.

I said you and Nerwen made a co-cross examination on Lottie on D1 and it looked like you were doing the same toDay. In any case after your interrogation was over Lottie was more or less done with - and same looks true toDay for Sally.

Also you can't quite honestly say you have been suspecting people left and right. "Timid" would be the word to suit the spread of your suspicions. You have been careful not to suspect too many people at the same time (which is different thing to say that you have only suspected one person per Day - which I didn't say).

Add to that, that I said I'm not thinking it is somewhat plain simple you two guys are the wolves. I would actually be surprised if you were even though I don't think it impossible. But I could bet quite a lot one of you is a wolf.

Sally's spicy defence and attack does make me wonder though...


Heh, Dury: are you claiming that I have not suspected people? Well you said you haven't read the thread so maybe you should then not comment on that kind of issues? Read the thread first and come back then with your opinion whether I have played it safe or not, or trying to please everyone or not.

With all love, that is. But really. You just couldn't make that kind of claim if you had read the thread. Sorry.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally's spicy defence and attack does make me wonder though...

I'm spicy am I? Oooo, lovely.


(No really, though, what do you mean? 'Cause you're too young for me, mate. I'm saving myself for a nice older gentleman, not some overgrown Finnish kid. Aaaand now I'm gonna run away before someone shoots me.)



I need dinner. Oh, and Wilwa? I'm making muffins tonight. Just thought that might entertain you.

[Nogrod]

Somethging that caught my eye from Sally's post on Nerwen...

Originally Posted by Sally

Actually, I’ve been drawing the same conclusions from multiple joke posts. It’s not the jokes that’s a problem, it’s the tone and placement of them. And again, she seems to be trying to make Lottie look bad and thus keep people from listening to her. Seems pretty nasty to me. (Of course with the internet thing, fine, as I completely feel your pain.)

Seems pretty flimsy defense to me. Sorry dear, I’m not buying it. Try putting it on eBay.

The underlined parts are the ones that bother me here big time.

First: "Yeah, and I might have just been having fun". Well yeah. But if you were just having fun and you are innocent would you have phrased it like that? Maybe we go here into language issues and I'm no native speaker but to my eyes that looks more like avoiding things or trying to take a cloak of an innocent than plain being one.

Secondly: "I was seeing how she'd react". Okay. It's an old and sometimes working idea to test someone you suspect by making an attack or open suspicion and waiting to see how the one you suspect reacts to that. But you said the reason for that "trial" was the fact that you didn't like how wilwa repeated her optimism. Now how come I get the feeling this is an explanation invented afterwards?

Also I'm a bit confused with that case for "you went on me after I said I had internet problems". Some of us have internet problems, some of us live in different timezones (you Nerwen should know that!), some of us have more time while some of us have busier days, some of us have time to use for this in the afternoon, others in the evening and some at night etc. So I don't think you can say there's immunity from suspicion for anyone who fits one or another restriction? If there was such a restriction you could fex. never lynch me in these American-run games as I always have to sign off hours before the DL.

And there really is a difference between evilly timed suspicions made at the crucial moment or giving the final blow to someone who has just about cleared her/himself from the edge at the last minute (I know that from experience... *coughRoacoug*) and making points when one has time for it. (I'm not claiminng anything on behalf of Sally here, I'm just stating my feeling of you over-reacting to Sally's suspicions).



Sally: I mean that you dropped off that joking mask and started really working to both show your innocence and even more to show Nerwen's guilt. And that was a huge effort, everyone can see that. So that made me wonder whether you have reason to invest more in this game you usually do... and being a Batman I think is no option with you in this case. You make just too much noise to work in the best interests of the asylum as the one who would need to stay alive both Days and Nights. So a wolf then? Or just one who suddenly decided to give her best effort?