WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum: Holding Cells(Game Thread)

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Well, judging by the fact that he threatened to go tell "mom" [...]I would think he's pretty much joking.

But we know who "mom" is, don't we?

Originally Posted by the Joker

four(4) Patients: All Clinicly insane some even think I'm their mommy isn't that cute?

Too much 'joking' going on there...

Seriously though, I think we should let Glirdan be for toDay, as he's got a RL time issue and may not be able to speak for himself in time.

The more I think about it, the less I'm inclined to suspect Lottie and Nerwen for the whole hint-or-no-hint business. Wolves don't need to stir the pot like that. Unsubstantial suspicions are an endemic Day 1 disease and pop up no matter what, as the innocents desperately look for signs of wolvishness in any- and everybody. Wolves don't need to do that - not to the same extent, at least, and not as early; they've got to think about who to vote and prepare some reasons for their votes to reduce the appearance of open bandwagoning, but otherwise they can afford to be laid back and pretend to be the voice of reason (except nervous first-timers, but I don't think we have any of these in the present line-up).
So let's look at the people who have been most reasonable up to now - which would be Kit, Nog and wilwa (sally too, now she's started actually playing, but to me at least, she just screams 'innocent' - much too straightforward and spot-on for any hidden agenda). Of these, the only one that has presented any point of attack seems to be wilwa, with her "take it easy/Yes we can!" attitude which sally pointed out... Hmmm. *ponders*

(x-ed w/ Nog & Lottie)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Too much 'joking' going on there...

~~~

(sally too, now she's started actually playing, but to me at least, she just screams 'innocent' - much too straightforward and spot-on for any hidden agenda). Of these, the only one that has presented any point of attack seems to be wilwa, with her "take it easy/Yes we can!" attitude which sally pointed out... Hmmm. *ponders*

1. You can never have too much joking.

2. Actually, I'm not sure about her. Sally dear, are you innocent?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

1. You can never have too much joking.

2. Actually, I'm not sure about her. Sally dear, are you innocent?

Depends on whether you're asking me because you wanna know if you should lynch me or you want to know if you should Night kill me. Which is it?


Nah, I'm completely innocent. Well, not completely, but as far as the game is concerned I'm as pure as the UNdriven (which makes so much more sense) snow.


EDT: x'd with Pitch and Sir Nog

[Nogrod]

*Nogrod wrestles away from his tormentors; the nurse and the doc give him a chase through the corridor*

If you look for the reasonable and careful, look for Kit, Boro and Pitch.

If you look for the bold, look for Nerwen or Dury

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together...

I do agree with Boro here: with no seer around the wolves may play also "the supporting game". No one would believe the wolves could fex. try to save each other on every lynch possible etc. (it has happened, and the last remaining wolf *coughValiercough* won that time as no one believed she could play it that openly).

Interesting spotting this "mom"-thing there with Glirdan (heh "tell mom" = tell Morsul/Joker to get rid at Night of someone threatening him?). I'd not recommend lynching him for that though.

Sally I'm quite baffled with, like...


*The Doc and the nurse finally catch up with Nog and hit him unconscious with a baseball bat*

Doc: Get him the medication. No more running amok for this guy.

*Nog is given a serum and dragged away*

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?

I think someone said that what Boro was saying here was taking it too far, or making too big a deal of it or something, but I don't agree. Boro has a point, this does happen to him a lot, so I don't think this reaction is out of place.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

About wilwa - this "we've got loads of time and no reason to worry" attitude is something I'd usually overlook (as in not notice), especially as she's so reasonable otherwise. But you're right, it's not exactly conducive to catching wolves.

It's called optimism. Boosts up the moral of the village and makes the wolves think they're chances are lower. I always find the statistics to make it seem like the village has better chances, it makes me more relaxed and then I can think more clearly and enjoy the game better.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*

Yeah, I actually disagree. I think since there are only 2 of them and they do have to survive together a while they would actually be more adament about their trust, they don't want to risk one of them dying so they should be more likely to defend each other. I would suggest we spread the votes out a bit every day, and try to avoid too many bandwagon type voting. This way when we get the first one we should have a lot of voting information to help us find the other.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nog: Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?

Nog, again, I love you.

My turn!

New Patient: But I don't want to go among mad people.
Wilwa: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
New Patient: How do you know I'm mad?
Wilwa: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.


edit: x'ed with Nog

[Nogrod]

Heh, the Cheshire Cat acting catch-22?

[Nogrod]

Okay the drugs are doing their work and I feel soo sleepy...

On the one hand I could go for Kit as just a lucky shot meeting the description of a wise and careful wolf.

On the other hand I'm tempted to vote for Nerwen because she not only made that infamous "Go wolves" (followed by the IC underlining of her madness as an excuse to say that). It would be bold but intelligent from a wolf or a cobbler. Also her part in opening up / maintaining the Boro-issue back there looks sneaky indeed. Someone said the wolves would just like to sit down, but they also like to steer the first targets of discussion as then it's publicity away from them (the ones who are talked about end up being high on the lynch-list).

Then there would be this Pitch - Lottie duet... but to go for it I'd need to be able to hear more from them (Well, needing to get out at this time leaves the same taste for everyone of you) and right now I have no hope of getting rid of two vocal players who seem to make sense. If Wilwa is right about her math then there should be time to read them more.

A vote in a moment...

[Boromir88]

There's a 3/11 chance to lynch someone we'd want to.

7/11 regrettable, but ultimately canon-fodder lynch chance.

1/11 chance at lynching someone we really don't want to.

What's the point in listing the captain obvious stats? Really no point in making tentative, cautious voting, because there's a better chance for the lynch to be a good result, a high chance it'd be bad but only be a flesh wound, and a very minimal chance at a terrible lynch.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Depends on whether you're asking me because you wanna know if you should lynch me or you want to know if you should Night kill me. Which is it?

If the latter, she wouldn't have to ask; as you should know quite well. So -?*frowns*

Originally Posted by Nog

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together...

I suppose you mean something along the lines of Lottie for stirring, me for - let's call it "damage control"? Yep, once you mentioned it, it occurred to me we might make a good team. Maybe in another game.
For the record, though, while Lottie replied to your "P&L-in-cahoots"-theory, I didn't up to now, as far as I can remember. So even though you're right, how could you know we both recognized what you were talking about? I don't suppose you can read my mind, or can you?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

IFor the record, though, while Lottie replied to your "P&L-in-cahoots"-theory, I didn't up to now, as far as I can remember. So even though you're right, how could you know we both recognized what you were talking about? I don't suppose you can read my mind, or can you?

Nope. But you went into a kind of round-about damage control eg. speaking how implausible a close working together of the wolves would be...

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nope. But you went into a kind of round-about damage control eg. speaking how implausible a close working together of the wolves would be...

*slaps forehead*
Will you believe that my thoughts were nowhere near your theory when I wrote that? If you were right, I'd honestly have to rep you after-game for a damn good catch, but as things are, that was pure coincidence. (Damn - just when I thought I'd caught you trying to fabricate a case...)

[Nerwen]

I am getting very concerned about Jonathan now. He is just too sweet and crunchy (all of him). What does he have to hide?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

So let's look at the people who have been most reasonable up to now

That'll teach 'em.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*

Ah, isn't treachery the way of the Sith? How do you know they won't be merrily (and obviously) stabbing each other in the back?

Actually... *assumes serious expression* I'm not sure what we can expect from the current set-up. We've got three unusual factors: two wolves, no Seer, and a tiny village. Would the wolves be able to ignore each other?

That's if we're hunting wolves. We seem to be hunting cobblers toDay. Tally-ho!

EDIT:X'd since Sally at #60.; clarification.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

It's called optimism. Boosts up the moral of the village and makes the wolves think they're chances are lower. I always find the statistics to make it seem like the village has better chances, it makes me more relaxed and then I can think more clearly and enjoy the game better.

Now that those pesky villagers have been lulled into a false sense of security, right?

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Yeah, I actually disagree. I think since there are only 2 of them and they do have to survive together a while they would actually be more adament about their trust, they don't want to risk one of them dying so they should be more likely to defend each other.

Ye-es.... only it'll be harder then usual for the wolves to control the lynch this early, and if one dies and leaves a clear trail to the other– game over. (Poor widdle fings )

So I could see them turning on each other, if it came to that... I mean, it depends on who they are, and what happens.

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.

Like so:

Nerwen: Jonathan, what would you do if you were a wolf?

Jonathan (squeaky voice): Oooo.... let me see... if I were a wolf, Nerwen, I'd be long, squishy, green and tasteless. Definitely.

Nerwen: Whereas you are in fact round, crisp, red and delicious? *voice drips with irony* Oh, how very convenient!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nog: Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?

Doc: Don't try that on me. It won't work. Here's the good news: you'll soon be blissfully ignorant of what goes on. How's that?

Nog: Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Soup of the evening, beautiful Soup!
Beau--ootiful Soo--oop!
Beau--ootiful Soo--oop!

Doc: Nuu-urse! The straightjacket, please!

*a mild struggle ensues*

Nog: Soo--oop of the e--e--evening!

Doc: Okay that's it.

*hits Nog with a hammer so that blood spills all around*

Doc: The bad news then... You suffer, beside your overt madness, from a rare syndrom called Europeanismus narcolepticus. It means you will fall in a deep sleep quite so soon...

*starts staring Nog in the eye and swinging a pendulum in front of his eyes*

Nog (resignedly): Beautiful, beautiful soup...

*hits Nog to a head with a hammer, more blood around*

Nog (hardly audible): Beautiful soup! Who cares for fish,
Game, or any other dish...

Doc: Nuu-urse! Nuu-urse! Get this weirdo to room 9, will you?

Stop! Stop! I'll go mad! Mad, I tell you!

...Oh, wait, I already am.

Carry on, then.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.

What a wonderful plan! But then of course the wolves would do exactly what they said they would so that they look good, so then we have to lynch the ones who do what they say they would do.

What's the point in listing the captain obvious stats? Really no point in making tentative, cautious voting, because there's a better chance for the lynch to be a good result, a high chance it'd be bad but only be a flesh wound, and a very minimal chance at a terrible lynch.

Yay for optimism!!!

I really have to do homework, I'll keep popping on and off for the next little while. Once this assignment is done I'll skim through and try to establish some suspicions.

[Pitchwife]

What we should do is ask everyone what they'd do if they were wolves, and the ones who do the exact opposite are the actual wolves.

Now that's really helpful, thank you.And that right after making a really good point about wolf strategy in this game. (Yes, Nog and wilwa, I've noted your objections, but I'm not quite convinced yet.)
But d'you know what, Nerwen, this mixture of perfect sense and madness is getting on my nerves...

(x-ed with wilwa)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

this mixture of perfect sense and madness is getting on my nerves...

The game is working it's theme quite beautifully... beautifully... beautiful Soup!

[Pitchwife]

Nog, go for me if it makes you happy; I'll deal with that toMorrow (hopefully), right now it just distracts me.

My rendezvous with the bedbugs is drawing near, and so is voting time. So...

Will not vote for:
- Glirdan, for reason given in #56, and I don't really know what to make of the little he posted.
- Kit, because being reasonable is not enough evidence.
- Lottie, not because I 'trust' her, but because I haven't seen any real evidence against her so far.
- sally: she does look innocent to me (too innocent to be true? don't know, wait & see).
- Boro: need to see more of him to get a picture.

Unsure about:
- wilwa: I'm flip-flopping quite a bit about her, with her "Yes-we-can"-attitude...
- Nog: maybe he's trying to fabricate something after all, but I admit I'm biased here.
- Izzy. I considered her lynchworthy for lack of contribution, but I see she's just turned up.

Might vote for:
- Dury for combination of submarining and unexplained suspicions
- Nerwen: another one I'm flip-flopping bigtime about; I'd highly appreciate it if she'd commit to either lunacy or reason, and I usually suspect her way too little - maybe it's time to break that habit.

[satansaloser2005]

Nog, you are a nutter. A proper, deep, scary nutter. And I love you for it. <3

(And oi, I'm narcoleptic. You trying to imply something? Hehe.)



Now a list.


Suspicious

Wilwa: Like I said, she seems good enough but the tone of her posts just seems off to me, as if she's playing at something more than what she's saying. You know my record of mixing up wolves with gifteds, but I'm going to put her toward the top of my list because she just seems too unreal to be innocent.

Nerwen: I'm recognizing a change from 'normal' Nerwen behavior and whether she's cobbler or wolf I'm leaning toward an evil roled Nerwen more than a gifted Nerwen.

Durelin (?): I think I'm just not used to playing with her since it's been quite a while but she seems off to me. She's not my first choice for the Day (partly because it has been a while since I've played with her) but she's not my last either.


Erm, yeah, that's really as far as I got. Sorry; I'm distracted. But still. Here's a quick and dirty one so you can see where I stand, even if I don't explain all the way.

Guilty
Wilwa
Nerwen

Not as guilty
Lottie
Pitch
Durelin

No real feeling
Izzy
Nog
Glirdan
Kit
Boro



So, erm, yeah. I totally had this post done hours ago but then I left and never submitted it. *shifty eyes* I know. I suck a bit at life.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Loslote. Nerwen and Wilwa are your top suspects because they speak sense and are bantering?

Why is that suspicious?

No, I think it's suspicious that Nerwen's saying "Oh I'm soooo evil! Haha isn't it hilarious???" and Wilwa's playing along. I doubt if they're both wolves, but I'm pretty sure one is. I think it's Nerwen. Soo...

++Nerwen

[Isabellkya]

What purpose would it serve her, if she were nefarious to go around proclaiming it?
To see if it would be passed off as first Day banter and play?

If she is nefarious and is lynched because of her proclamations; then that would be quite the silly wolf. Or do you supposed she is the Cobbler?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

What purpose would it serve her, if she were nefarious to go around proclaiming it?
To see if it would be passed off as first Day banter and play?

If she is nefarious and is lynched because of her proclamations; then that would be quite the silly wolf. Or do you supposed she is the Cobbler?

She might have been hoping people would say "oh, a wolf would never be so bold, she must be innocent!"

[Glirdan]

Okay, so I'm back after that really long sleep I had...Doctors gave me some meds for my....*attention is grabbed* Oooo!! Look, pretty butterfly! And no I don't mean that crazy girl who only thinks she's a butterfly.

Anyways, will go back and read through the posts a little more carefully (only had time to briefly scan through) and make some judgments and a vote.

X'ed with Lottie