Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 02-09-2010, 08:59 PM

++Form

Why not?

satansaloser2005 · 02-10-2010, 09:49 PM

Sorry, sorry! Youth group ran late and then the net died on me....again.

ToNight, Candy and Killer conspired amongst themselves and in the end poor Brinn was slain. An ordo sweet was she.

(Narration to follow, I swear. I'm so sorry I fail, but this illness is getting the better of me both in RL and online. Trying to catch up, I promise.)

ETA: For the record....

The Dead
Gwath (ordo)
Nienna (hunter)
Mira (Thriller)
Pitch (ordo)
Glirdan (Diller)
Nog (Chiller)
Brinn (ordo)

The Living
Nerwen
Lottie
Fea
Rune
Steve
Dun
Wilwa
Izzy
Form

satansaloser2005 · 02-10-2010, 10:06 PM

Btw you can totally post now. I'm probably going to bed, so if you need me and want to risk my wrath you can find my number on my facebook. Later all!

Nerwen · 02-10-2010, 10:08 PM

We don't have another wolf, do we?

satansaloser2005 · 02-10-2010, 10:14 PM

Btw, added a list of the living and dead, so you don't have to search for one. Night!

Nerwen · 02-10-2010, 10:20 PM

Well, regardless of exactly what's going on, I suggest that no-one vote Lottie toDay.

Now that we know Nog was a wolf, it looks very black for her, and that's on top of her links to the other two.

I wonder why Brinn was killed? A suspected gifted? I thought she might be one myself, so I shouldn't be surprised if the wolf/wolves did.

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-10-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

I wonder why Brinn was killed? A suspected gifted? I thought she might be one myself, so I shouldn't be surprised if the wolf/wolves did.

It would make sense. Since Hunter-Ni had a PM-buddy Lover, and Brinn said she had a PM-buddy that should feel ashamed for not jumping to save her... it might make sense that Brinn could have been the Ranger. Clearly she wasn't, but the logic's not horribly flawed...

Inziladun · 02-10-2010, 10:33 PM

Well, I don't think we'll go wrong going after Lottie. If we strike gold there, then we can move on to the next one.
The trouble spotting a Cursed is you don't know when they might have been turned, so they might have been acting perfectly innocent one Day, with subtle changes the next. It seems it's a bit more problematic than finding wolves there from the start.
However, it's 7-2 against the wolves at the moment, so I quite like our chances as long as we keep our heads.

Loslote · 02-11-2010, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, regardless of exactly what's going on, I suggest that no-one vote Lottie toDay.

Now that we know Nog was a wolf, it looks very black for her, and that's on top of her links to the other two.

Oh, and: I admit it, I was wrong. Glirdy would be that obvious. I didn't think he would because I never would have. Wolf!Lottie would never do something so obvious, particularly not first-time-wolf!Lottie. Coming back from a long break in werewolfing, I expected (wrongly, as it turns out) that Glirdy would be somewhat similar. In my mind, clear ties to known wolves means very little, because I never believe that a wolf would do that, even though it has been proven that they do. I put more value in subtle ties to known wolves, which is why I suspected Wilwa over Nog. I still suspect Wilwa, too, for that reason (and others) and am not happy with the way she's slipping under the radar again. Steve and Rune, too - no one really looks at them. And yes, I am aware that there's one too many wolves in that little list of wolf-dom. I just suspect all of them. It doesn't help that Rune trusts me...I never trust people who trust me. I trust people who suspect me. Zil and Izzy look really good. Nerwen I'm pretty sure is innocent... which is one reason why the fact that they're trying to lynch me is a bit annoying.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-10-2010, 10:15 PM

Looks like it, Nerwen.

One at a time, I guess.

I feel so naked toDay without my Simon power...

Formendacil · 02-10-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

We don't have another wolf, do we?

Ugh... "Candy and Killer." It sure looks like it...

Yeah...

I've got nothing.

Why eat Brinn?

Inziladun · 02-10-2010, 10:16 PM

My guess would be Fea was right about the Cursed role.
At any rate, I'm quite confident Lottie is a wolf. Proven links to two known wolves, and general suspicious activity make me think she ought to be our lynch focus toDay.

x/d with Moddess, Fea, and Form

Loslote · 02-11-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

My guess would be Fea was right about the Cursed role.
At any rate, I'm quite confident Lottie is a wolf. Proven links to two known wolves, and general suspicious activity make me think she ought to be our lynch focus toDay.

Yeah, Fea's right. Candy doesn't exactly fit with the other wolf names, does it?

Could you specify "general suspicious activity"? You have used this before, and I have always been innocent before.

Nerwen · 02-11-2010, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Links to the other two? I fail to see how I could possibly be linked to Mira. To be honest, I'd basically forgotten she was playing.

True, I probably overstated the case saying you had "links" to Mirawolf. But then she was only around for a Day. She did vote for you (and Glirdan).

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Oh, and: I admit it, I was wrong. Glirdy would be that obvious. I didn't think he would because I never would have. Wolf!Lottie would never do something so obvious, particularly not first-time-wolf!Lottie.

"If I were a wolf I'd behave in such-and-such a way, so clearly I can't possibly be a wolf!"

Sorry, Lottie, but that one's older then Methuselah. You'll just have to try a bit harder to convince us.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 02-11-2010, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

I still suspect Wilwa, too, for that reason (and others) and am not happy with the way she's slipping under the radar again. Steve and Rune, too - no one really looks at them. And yes, I am aware that there's one too many wolves in that little list of wolf-dom. I just suspect all of them. It doesn't help that Rune trusts me...I never trust people who trust me. I trust people who suspect me. Zil and Izzy look really good. Nerwen I'm pretty sure is innocent... which is one reason why the fact that they're trying to lynch me is a bit annoying.

First of all, I don't trust you. I might not have wanted you dead, but it has never been a case of me trusting you. Anyways I find it interesting that you trust people that suspect you and never people who "trusts" you. I could never set up such rules, it is all about how people according to how I remember them being in previous games and also about what kind of relations I have to them. (the last one is not rational at all, but there are just some people I always seem to suspect)

Anyways, I am back home now, so I will be arround to night to do some proper posting.

Inziladun · 02-11-2010, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Could you specify "general suspicious activity"? You have used this before, and I have always been innocent before.

Apart from your votes to and from wolves, I raised many of my concerns here.

Then there's a remark that would seem to mean little in itself, but when taken in whole with everything else, it looks bad.

When it was announced that Nog was losing points due to Simon here:

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Nog is down two points per Simon.

This was your reaction:

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Wait - down two points? I forgot that was allowed...so he's got negative votes?

Looks like that honestly caught you off guard, and you were dismayed to find your packmate at a disadvantage, with little hope for you to save him.

Loslote · 02-11-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Yeah, Fea's right.

I even hinted 'cause I didn't think I'd survive! Don't I rock?

Formendacil · 02-11-2010, 03:32 PM

Okay... so Lottie's a wolf. Obviously, we need to kill her. Otherwise, we may as well ignore her and look for the last wolf--unless she's planning to tell us who it is... but obviously we'll want to take that with a grain of salt.

Loslote · 02-11-2010, 03:40 PM

Whatcha gonna do when your packmate's dreamed of?
Who you gonna kill when the Seer reveals?
Yeah, how you gonna cope when there is no pming?
Where you gonna turn to try to blend in?
How you gonna make it through when you think you've lost your chance?

Play on when you're losing the game
Play on 'cause we're bound to make mistakes
It's always worth the sacrifice
Even when you know you're alone
So play on, play on

Even when the voting dries right up
Never let the pressure freeze you up
Even when you're not sure you'll survive
Swimming through a mess and you can't get out
Just going through the motions and trying not to slip

Play on when you're losing the game
Play on 'cause we're bound to make mistakes
It's always worth the sacrifice
Even when you know I'm gone
So play on, play on

Even through a storm on the darkest Night
Don't you ever give up the fight
Even if you know you're all alone
Play on, play on

Play on when you're losing the game
Play on 'cause we're bound to make mistakes
It's always worth the sacrifice
Even when you know you're alone
So play on, play on

Play on
Ooh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Na, na, na, na, na, na,
Na, na, na, na, na, na

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-11-2010, 08:41 AM

I am the seer. Lottie is a Wolf.

I dreamed of Wilwa (innocent), Izzy (innocent), Nog (wolf), Lottie (wolf) and I require the Ranger to protect me toNight so that I can see if I can go three for three on bad guy dreams.

Sound like a plan?

And honestly it doesn't matter if the Ranger comes forward now because if the Cursed-Wolf does try to kill you toNight (sorry to sound callous) you'd be taking one for the team and it would still leave me alive long enough to get in another dream. But coming forward would give us another known innocent.

Addendum: Wilwa and Izzy could technically be the cursed villager, because they were dreamed before the cursed turned. However their actions have not reflected a change of role, hence me continuing to think of them as innocent.

Inziladun · 02-11-2010, 08:53 AM

Well, since Fea doomed Nog yesterDay by docking him two points as Simon, I see no reason to doubt she is legitimate.
Any other arguments, Lottie?

wilwarin538 · 02-11-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I am the seer. Lottie is a Wolf.

I dreamed of Wilwa (innocent), Izzy (innocent), Nog (wolf), Lottie (wolf) and I require the Ranger to protect me toNight so that I can see if I can go three for three on bad guy dreams.

Sound like a plan?

And honestly it doesn't matter if the Ranger comes forward now because if the Cursed-Wolf does try to kill you toNight (sorry to sound callous) you'd be taking one for the team and it would still leave me alive long enough to get in another dream. But coming forward would give us another known innocent.

Addendum: Wilwa and Izzy could technically be the cursed villager, because they were dreamed before the cursed turned. However their actions have not reflected a change of role, hence me continuing to think of them as innocent.

Ok, well I trusted you from the beginning anywho so I'm not fighting this. But the Ranger doesn't have to reveal, they can still protect you whether we know who they are or not, and if they can stay alive for a while more they can still help us out and it's not like we absolutely need another known innocent at the moment. Even though there are still 2 wolves yet, we're still farther ahead then we could have been if we hadn't been so lucky. So I think they should stay quiet.

x'ed with Inzil

Inziladun · 02-11-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Ok, well I trusted you from the beginning anywho so I'm not fighting this. But the Ranger doesn't have to reveal, they can still protect you whether we know who they are or not, and if they can stay alive for a while more they can still help us out and it's not like we absolutely need another known innocent at the moment. Even though there are still 2 wolves yet, we're still farther ahead then we could have been if we hadn't been so lucky. So I think they should stay quiet.

I concur. No need to give Candy another obvious target just yet. We know who we're going to lynch toDay.
Speaking of that, I'll go ahead and get this done.

++Fea

Nerwen · 02-11-2010, 09:30 AM

Aha. I guessed it was you, Fea. *pats self on back*

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Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Ok, well I trusted you from the beginning anywho so I'm not fighting this. But the Ranger doesn't have to reveal, they can still protect you whether we know who they are or not, and if they can stay alive for a while more they can still help us out and it's not like we absolutely need another known innocent at the moment.

It would increase her chances of dreaming a wolf toNight, though... I don't know. It's really up to the Ranger to decide.

We really should start trying to work out who this last wolf might be now, instead of just leaving it to Fea, who may after all only get one more shot.

So, apart from Fea herself, and Wolflote, we've got four semi-known innocents:

Wilwa,
Izzy,
Zil,
Form

and three complete unknowns:

Eönwë
Rune
Me (I am of course utterly innocent, but I'm just putting myself in there to show I don't play favourites

).

The first question, then, is: how likely is it that Candy is in the first group rather than the second?

EDIT:X'd with Wilwa.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 02-11-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, apart from Fea herself, and Wolflote, we've got four semi-known innocents:

Wilwa,
Izzy,
Zil,
Form

and three complete unknowns:

Eönwë
Rune
Me (I am of course utterly innocent, but I'm just putting myself in there to show I don't play favourites

).

The first question, then, is: how likely is it that Candy is in the first group rather than the second?

EDIT:X'd with Wilwa.

Why is Wilwa only semi-known?

Nerwen · 02-11-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Why is Wilwa only semi-known?

For the same reason as the others: one of them might have been turned since.

Er... why do you only ask about Wilwa?

EDIT:clarity.

wilwarin538 · 02-11-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, apart from Fea herself, and Wolflote, we've got four semi-known innocents:

Wilwa,
Izzy,
Zil,
Form

and three complete unknowns:

Eönwë
Rune
Me (I am of course utterly innocent, but I'm just putting myself in there to show I don't play favourites

).

The first question, then, is: how likely is it that Candy is in the first group rather than the second?

Well I don't think it's Form, a Lover being a Cursed as well just seems unlikely. I suppose it could be Inzil or Izzy. Nog did vote for Izzy yesterDay. But I just don't know, I don't think it's her. Inzil, I'm not sure...

I personally think it's in that second group of Nerwen's. Now which of them would have been a more likely kill choice after Day 2? I don't know. And then there still might be this One Hint Wonder person chilling around somewhere.

I know for sure these two aren't gonna change for me so I'll vote now:

++ Fea

and

++ Form (happy birthday!)

I'll leave the other 2 til closer to DL, just incase something interesting happens.

x'ed with Rune, and Rune: Fea dreamt me Night 1, so I could technically be Candy. Same with Inzil and Izzy.

02-09-2010, 08:59 PM	#1
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	++Form Why not? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

02-10-2010, 09:49 PM	#2
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Sorry, sorry! Youth group ran late and then the net died on me....again. ToNight, Candy and Killer conspired amongst themselves and in the end poor Brinn was slain. An ordo sweet was she. (Narration to follow, I swear. I'm so sorry I fail, but this illness is getting the better of me both in RL and online. Trying to catch up, I promise.) ETA: For the record.... The Dead Gwath (ordo) Nienna (hunter) Mira (Thriller) Pitch (ordo) Glirdan (Diller) Nog (Chiller) Brinn (ordo) The Living Nerwen Lottie Fea Rune Steve Dun Wilwa Izzy Form __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm. Last edited by satansaloser2005; 02-10-2010 at 10:13 PM.

02-10-2010, 10:06 PM	#3
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Btw you can totally post now. I'm probably going to bed, so if you need me and want to risk my wrath you can find my number on my facebook. Later all! __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

02-10-2010, 10:08 PM	#4
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	We don't have another wolf, do we? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

02-10-2010, 10:14 PM	#5
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Btw, added a list of the living and dead, so you don't have to search for one. Night! __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

02-10-2010, 10:20 PM	#6
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Well, regardless of exactly what's going on, I suggest that no-one vote Lottie toDay. Now that we know Nog was a wolf, it looks very black for her, and that's on top of her links to the other two. I wonder why Brinn was killed? A suspected gifted? I thought she might be one myself, so I shouldn't be surprised if the wolf/wolves did. EDIT:X'd since Sally. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

02-10-2010, 10:33 PM	#8
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Well, I don't think we'll go wrong going after Lottie. If we strike gold there, then we can move on to the next one. The trouble spotting a Cursed is you don't know when they might have been turned, so they might have been acting perfectly innocent one Day, with subtle changes the next. It seems it's a bit more problematic than finding wolves there from the start. However, it's 7-2 against the wolves at the moment, so I quite like our chances as long as we keep our heads. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

02-10-2010, 10:15 PM	#10
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Looks like it, Nerwen. One at a time, I guess. I feel so naked toDay without my Simon power... __________________ peace

02-10-2010, 10:16 PM	#12
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	My guess would be Fea was right about the Cursed role. At any rate, I'm quite confident Lottie is a wolf. Proven links to two known wolves, and general suspicious activity make me think she ought to be our lynch focus toDay. x/d with Moddess, Fea, and Form __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

02-11-2010, 03:32 PM	#18
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Okay... so Lottie's a wolf. Obviously, we need to kill her. Otherwise, we may as well ignore her and look for the last wolf--unless she's planning to tell us who it is... but obviously we'll want to take that with a grain of salt. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

02-11-2010, 03:40 PM	#19
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Play On! Whatcha gonna do when your packmate's dreamed of? Who you gonna kill when the Seer reveals? Yeah, how you gonna cope when there is no pming? Where you gonna turn to try to blend in? How you gonna make it through when you think you've lost your chance? Play on when you're losing the game Play on 'cause we're bound to make mistakes It's always worth the sacrifice Even when you know you're alone So play on, play on Even when the voting dries right up Never let the pressure freeze you up Even when you're not sure you'll survive Swimming through a mess and you can't get out Just going through the motions and trying not to slip Play on when you're losing the game Play on 'cause we're bound to make mistakes It's always worth the sacrifice Even when you know I'm gone So play on, play on Even through a storm on the darkest Night Don't you ever give up the fight Even if you know you're all alone Play on, play on Play on when you're losing the game Play on 'cause we're bound to make mistakes It's always worth the sacrifice Even when you know you're alone So play on, play on Play on Ooh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Na, na, na, na, na, na, Na, na, na, na, na, na __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

02-11-2010, 08:41 AM	#20
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	How 'bout I just make this easy? I am the seer. Lottie is a Wolf. I dreamed of Wilwa (innocent), Izzy (innocent), Nog (wolf), Lottie (wolf) and I require the Ranger to protect me toNight so that I can see if I can go three for three on bad guy dreams. Sound like a plan? And honestly it doesn't matter if the Ranger comes forward now because if the Cursed-Wolf does try to kill you toNight (sorry to sound callous) you'd be taking one for the team and it would still leave me alive long enough to get in another dream. But coming forward would give us another known innocent. Addendum: Wilwa and Izzy could technically be the cursed villager, because they were dreamed before the cursed turned. However their actions have not reflected a change of role, hence me continuing to think of them as innocent. __________________ peace

02-11-2010, 08:53 AM	#21
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Well, since Fea doomed Nog yesterDay by docking him two points as Simon, I see no reason to doubt she is legitimate. Any other arguments, Lottie? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.