Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Suspicious of:

Nog- Started off loud, but has got quieter over the course of the game. After the first Day when all the attention was on him, he seems to be trying to sneak into the background while still leaching off everyone's previous trust for him.

Heh, did you believe I was going to be silent the whole Day and tried to sniff the wind "the right way"?

Sorry, my day was full and I only got online now.

I see some pretty heavy opportunism here... and I'm not liking it.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Heh, did you believe I was going to be silent the whole Day and tried to sniff the wind "the right way"?

Sorry, my day was full and I only got online now.

I see some pretty heavy opportunism here... and I'm not liking it.

Ok, I admit that I was wrong. It turns out you posted 14 times yesterDay and 13 the Day before. However, you have to admit that you've become less controversial since Day 1, and actually you're not your usual relentless self. It might be because you have less time now, but I'm used to you being much more controversial and aggressive, so I was a bit surprised.

[wilwarin538]

So I have a thought about the Glirdan lynch. I think the two remaining wolves may more likely be in the group of people who voted earlier, rather then those closer to the end. Because considering they had already lost 1 wolf if a few saw that Glirdan was in a lot of danger I would think that they would try to protect him more if they had a chance. So those who voted closer to the end of the Day and didn't vote for him when it was clear he was in danger, look a bit better to me.

So, copying this from Izzy:

SimonFea -> Wilwa (2)
Pitch -> Eonwe, Loslote
Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog
Pitch -> Nerwen, Fea
Fea -> Wilwa (3), Izzy
Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Wilwa -> Pitch, Fea (2)
Zil -> Nog (3), Pitch
Brin -> Izzy (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Wilwa -> Form
Rune -> Fea (3), Wilwa (5)
Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Wilwa -> Rune (2), Glirdan (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Nog -> Form (2)
Rune -> Form (3)
Eonwe -> Nerwen (3), Fea (5)
Nerwen -> Brin, Izzy (3)
Fea -> Eonwe (2)
Izzy -> Nerwen (4), Zil (3)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)
Zil -> Nerwen (5)
Eonwe -> Zil (4)
Eonwe -> Nog (4)
Form -> Zil (5), Wilwa (6), Rune (3), Izzy (4)
Izzy -> Brin (2), Rune (4)
Zil -> Brin (3)
Song/Poem -> Fea (6), Loslote (4), Eonwe (3)

So the last vote for Glirdan was by me, about halfway through the votes. At that point he was tied for 2 with a fair number of people. The point where he seemed to be in the most danger would be about around his own vote for Lottie, since by then alot of the 2 people were bumped up to 3 and he was still at 2.

So this makes Zil look quite good, he voted for someone who already had 4 votes, and then his last one chose Brinn over Glirdan, so there seemed to be no attempt on his part to help Glirdan. (could mean differently for him if Brinn is a wolf though)

Eonwe also looks fairly good, voting for 2 people who were at 3 votes at that point, so also seeming to not put any effort in protecting Glirdan.

Form also voted for people who already had a good amount of votes. Izzy too pretty much. So those 4 especially I see didn't really try at all to protect Glirdan when it was a good chance that he could be lynched. This of course doesn't clear them, they could have just thought it was too risky to put themselves out there to protect him, since it would likely draw attention to them the following Day. But still, for me atleast I think it makes them look a bit better.

So really the ones who look bad are me and Lottie, since we are the only 2 who voted for him. I know I'm innocent. Lottie I'm not so sure of, it could be a notch against her, I don't really know. I want to trust her, but there all a few little things that make me uneasy. I likely won't vote for her toDay.

So basically I think the wolves would more likely be in the earlier voters, since at that point it is pretty unclear who's gonna go (since a ton of people were all tied for 1 and then 2 votes) and so they may not have thought Glirdan would be in danger, and therefore used their votes on other packmates perhaps instead.

Anyway, off to do some studying, big big big test on Thursday...

I'll be back in a few hours..

x'ed with Eonwe

[Eönwë]

Ok, well I can't survive on 4 hours of sleep like yesterDay, so I'm going to try to vote earlier toDay.

I'll start with:

++Inzil

[Isabellkya]

Just a note, then I'm eating lunch, then I'm coming back.

Eonwe, I posted my thoughts on everyone towards the end of yesterDay. Just got home, so haven't posted a revised list toDay.

Wilwa, I was for the opposite actually. I stated that I wanted to see Loslote or Glirdan go over Brin. I think there was another candidate that was in danger of being lynched when I made the statement, but can't recall who - I think it was Eonwe. My last two votes were made with an extra thought. I was trying to boost other people whom were in danger up, so it wouldn't turn into a massive tie. That it would at the worst, end up in a two/three way tie with Glirdan being one of them.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Eonwe, I posted my thoughts on everyone towards the end of yesterDay. Just got home, so haven't posted a revised list toDay.

Ah. I'm sorry, I totally forgot. I've actually been meaning to ask about that. What does this bit mean?

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Would vote for
Nerwen/Zil
Rune/Brin
Wilwa/Eonwe
Form/Pitch
Fea/Nog
Loslote/Glirdan
Would not vote for

[Eönwë]

Ok, well since nothing seems to be happening on this thread, I'll post mine now:

++Izzy
++Form
++Fea

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Wilwa, I was for the opposite actually. I stated that I wanted to see Loslote or Glirdan go over Brin. I think there was another candidate that was in danger of being lynched when I made the statement, but can't recall who - I think it was Eonwe. My last two votes were made with an extra thought. I was trying to boost other people whom were in danger up, so it wouldn't turn into a massive tie. That it would at the worst, end up in a two/three way tie with Glirdan being one of them.

Yep, that's pretty much what I meant when I mentioned you in my last post, that your votes look pretty good because you did not try to protect him. Though I see what you mean that you didn't necessarily vote for people who had a lot, but either way you didn't vote to protect him, which I think looks good for you.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So are you suggesting that people choose their time-zones on the basis of a ww-game situations?

Honestly I hadn't even thought about that. I suppose that could affect my hypothesis then, couldn't it, haha...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Anyway. I see your point and agree with it that those who left Glirdy to die at the late moments look better - unless another wolf was at the fray as well. But be that as it may, I'm a bit curious as to why you press this point as much as you do...
I mean where did you see the supporting votes to go Glirdy's way to come from, at any part of the Day? I'd say an early vote to Glirdy - and then crossing fingers - would be all his mates could do.

Do correct me if I have lost the host of confidence-pledges to him... but I think it was quite obvious he was a main candidate all Day long; not so much as someone everyone suspected but as one none wished to put into their fave-four. Not the only one though (as could be seen from the votes). So the wolves would need to try something or just offer him as a sacrifical lamb there - but having lost one already with Nienna I'd doubt the latter. So I would think it believable at least one wolf would have tried to save him with an early vote. Be it you wilwa or Lottie, hard to say. Or maybe it was you both? That would explain your to and fro with Lottie and concentrating on any early voters rather than on Glirdan-voters... (okay, I can understand why you wouldn't wish to concentrate on the Glirdy-voters only even if you were innocent...)

About the first 2 paragraphs: I just think that considering they had just lost a wolf, that closer to the end of the Day (when it was far more clear then it had been earlier in the Day that he was in danger) if they had an oppurtunity to try and save them, then they would. I just find it odd that only 1 (if Lottie is guilty) or no wolves voted him yesterDay. It's like they didn't care if they lost another mate.

And of course I don't want to focus on Lottie's vote, it'd be slightly hypocritical of me to say "Lottie must be guilty because she voted for Glirdan"...that sheds quite a bit of spotlight on myself. I think anyone in my position would try and avoid that.

Anyway, I know that both wolves did not try and protect Glirdan yesterDay, possibly only 1 did (making Lottie guilty) or neither did (which is so strange, like I said, it's like they didn't care about losing another mate so soon). Which is why I think they must have both voted earlier in the Day when they may not have thought Glirdan was in as much danger.

Anyway, back to studying concentration gradients, polarized neurons and membrane potentials...be back in maybe another hour or so.

x'ed with Eonwe

[Inziladun]

I thought I would take a look at Lottie a little closer myself.

Discussing Form and his premature posting during the Night:

Originally Posted by Loslote

Either innocent!Formy posted by mistake (and I'd like to see his explaination for that before I consider him innocent) and wolf!RandomPoster saw this as an opportunity to...actually, that kind of falls apart. What would a wolf gain from posing early? Formy is starting to look like the only possible wolf in the bunch, just because he has a potential reason why he might post during the Night - to act like a clueless ordo, as I have said earlier.

Obviously we now know there was a wolf among the early posters, and it wasn't Form (that we know of).
In the same post she says:

Originally Posted by Loslote

I don't think more than one wolf would have posted among such a small group. It was, technically, still Night, so they would have been able to pm and plot mischief...and they wouldn't have lumped so many figurative eggs in one basket.

So by that logic, Form must be innocent, right?

This next was in response to my comment that a deliberate plot by a Formwolf to look innocent by posting early was unlikely.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Why would Formy not have come up with such a complicated plot? And why is it complicated? Look utterly clueless by forgetting the Night = no Night business = no wolf. Very simple. Very clever. Might have worked.

Then Izzy brought up the idea that some previous games had begun with a Day phase. Lottie took off with it and read into Izzy's post more than I did.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Really? That might change things. If Formy was used to starting with Day phases... Hey, Formy, which way do you normally start?

'Which way do you usually start?' My answer would be coffee!

Now, this from Glirwolf, an analysis of Nienna.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Comments
Raised some valid points in most of her posts. She also talked agreed with Nog a lot as well which makes me more inclined to believe that he is innocent.

Much has been said already of Glirdan's apparent buttering up Nog, but Lottie was quick to latch onto the idea that Nienna's trust in Nog counted for something, which, since Nienna wasn't the Seer, doesn't mean a great deal.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Nice to know I'm not just silly and someone else noticed it, too...she does talk about/to him a lot, doesn't she? You'd almost think she was a seer and dreamed him...maybe that's why the wolves killed her, thinking she *was* the seer. Huh.

I found that very far-fetched, and an odd remark.

In response to Izzy saying she and Glirdan sounded very much alike, she said this:

Originally Posted by Loslote

I don't know why we sound identical. I have noticed that we've cross-posted pretty often, and I'll look over his posts and think "dang, he said it first," or "hey, he thought so too, I'm not silly" and I've said so. I have not been trying to agree with him, and since we've cross posted, I doubt if he's been trying to agree with me.

Conclusions? Lottie doesn't look particularly good. Add in the flip-flops on Form, and the vote connexions between her and Glirdan, and it looks no better for her.

x/d with Eönwë and Wilwa

[Nerwen]

Okay. After Form's explanation toDay I think we can treat him and Zil as semi-known innocents, unless some really spectacular revelation occurs.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Conclusions? Lottie doesn't look particularly good. Add in the flip-flops on Form, and the vote connexions between her and Glirdan, and it looks no better for her.

Or, by extension, Nogrod (doesn't look too good to me in his own right, either).

I actually thought Lottie's Nienna-the-pseudo-Seer was a reasonable sort of theory at the time... but after the curious logical gymnastics that she used in her analysis of Glirdan, in which Form came out "pretty bad" for some reason, yet Nogrod remained pure as the driven snow... well.

Of course, if they are indeed packmates, Nogrod's now busy throwing Lottie under the bus, but what does that prove?

[Nogrod]

Good points Inzil! I think we have a lynch candidate... along with wilwa I must say.

As I said just above - and which wilwa actually confirmed - it would have been very odd indeed if the wolves didn't try anything to save Glirdy yesterDay. I mean they could have counted on sympathy votes on D1 looking at Glirdy's terrible comeback a game before but on D2 they probably couldn't have counted on that anymore. And they were one down already.

So Lottie voted for him yesterDay out of the blue she hasn't yet explained why, and wilwa voted him on both Days (as said, she might have done that because of their rl friendship but if they were wolves together they would not have missed a chance to use that as an excuse).

I had actually forgotten that buttering up Lottie made on D1 as well. Looking at it now looks almost as bad as Glirdy's. (Is it just that middle-aged men don't feel so bad about younger women playing nice towards them than when young men do it? ) It might make sense though. With certain compilation of wolves I could see them talking together by Night: "let's be nice to the veterans, Nog, Fea, Nerwen & Brinn especially, so that they leave us in peace". Anyway it looks clear to me she has been very much trusting to Fea as well - and I haven't heard too many suspicions on Nerwen or Brinn either. So maybe there is some truth in there?

But if one looks at the buttering up, I think wilwa will still win the contest - if not on individual "I trust you soo much" -comments, but by the ever positive "I love you" and wrapping her suspicions in the "I want to trust her though" -remarks. If something is uncontroversial then that is. Looking at the votes she has gained she has succeeded in that quite well.

Remember the wolves need to make you feel good! The other innocents need to try everything - and that might mean also suspecting just you among others to see what comes.

So I'd say both Lottie & wilwa would be good candidates to lynch toDay.

On another scenario, I will not be voting for confidence toDay on Brinn as her nice remark on Izzy & Inzil saving her has been totally ignored by everyone. That would be exactly what a wolf-Brinn would / could have done! And that is not making a stance on Inzil or Izzy. She might have done that if one of the two was her mate or she could have done that if they were two innocents who just luckily saved her.

But whatever her role, she has totally managed to skim off any suspicions from her with that one post - at least I haven't seen anyone doubt her declaration at the start of the Day.

Okay. A short break and then voting...


EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Ah. I'm sorry, I totally forgot. I've actually been meaning to ask about that. What does this bit mean?

That was my list of whom I would vote for -> whom I wouldn't vote for.
They were paired, becaause it just ended up that way. There were some people whom were pretty equal/even on the "scale", so I just placed them together.

I didn't ignore Brin's comment, Nog. I just didn't feel the need to add/address it. It involves me, so I don't think saying "Yeah! Stellar point!" is necessary.


X'd with everything after Nerwen's #461.

[Nienna]

Brinn- 1
Dun-6
Fea- 4
Form- 4
Izzy- 4
Lottie-
Nerwen- 3
Nog-
Rune-
Steve-
Wilwa-

haha x-ed with the roomie

[Isabellkya]

Just to be Devil's Advocate for a brief moment.
What makes everyone so sure that Form is telling the truth?
Could he not be a wolf, whom has orchestrated the Zil on the list thing? yeah, he could've known whom Nienna put on the list, but he could've faked the Zil part.

Just wanted to have the thought out there, in case by some reason it is fake. And we are all "why did we go along so easily with it".


X'd since my last post.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay. After Form's explanation toDay I think we can treat him and Zil as semi-known innocents, unless some really spectacular revelation occurs.

Or, by extension, Nogrod (doesn't look too good to me in his own right, either).

I actually thought Lottie's Nienna-the-pseudo-Seer was a reasonable sort of theory at the time... but after the curious logical gymnastics that she used in her analysis of Glirdan, in which Form came out "pretty bad" for some reason, yet Nogrod remained pure as the driven snow... well.

Of course, if they are indeed packmates, Nogrod's now busy throwing Lottie under the bus, but what does that prove?

Form came out "semi-bad" for the same reason I noticed Wilwa, but nothing else looks bad. In fact, mostly he looks absolutely innocent, so I focused on Wilwa and moved Form back to "probably innocent".

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, you're right in that the flip-flop came after she looked at Glirdan, but she doesn't explain in that analysis why Form looks bad again.

No, he doesn't get a free pass, even though I'm leaning toward thinking him more innocent than not. It's still odd that Nog and Rune were so quick to vote for him after the narrative in which he killed Pitch, though.

See above. Was that all, Izzy?

EDIT: xed since my last

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

1. Your first post you said I looked bad but then said you still felt I was innocent and wanted to trust me.
2. I've used it before this game cause that is the reason, I'm not gonna just make one up, and since that's all people seem to have on me of course I'll defend it.
3. Show you? How exactly do you want me to do that?

Probably, haven't been a wolf in a rediculously long time (possibly not even since Sally's last game).

1. No, I said I didn't want to suspect you but I did.

2. Okay, but...meta? Seriously?

3. Act innocent. Don't make us suspect you. Acting suspicious and then saying "no, no! I'm innocent!" is not going to cut it.

Pre-edit: xed since my last.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am here. . . sorry sorry sorry for not being here, things have been weird´today. I don't have time to read through everything. . . so if anybody wan't to give me some highlights on todays action it would be nice!

Anyways I will return shortly with a post.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Loslote

1. No, I said I didn't want to suspect you but I did.

2. Okay, but...meta? Seriously?

3. Act innocent. Don't make us suspect you. Acting suspicious and then saying "no, no! I'm innocent!" is not going to cut it.

Pre-edit: xed since my last.

Like no one's ever used Meta before. It's not like I'm saying "Oh him and I talked on the phone and he seemed to sound innocent", that would be unfair...I'm sure people who don't even know each other in RL have tried to trust people they usually suspect in games. I don't really see it as anything unusual. Not really different then you saying Day 1 that Pitch wasn't acting agreeable, so he wasn't a wolf. I see that as Meta as well.

Me acting innocent seems to always be what gets me suspicion.

[Inziladun]

Getting back later than I'd planned and having to very quickly skim through.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

Well, doesn't look as if a confirmation or denial of that from our Moddess is forthcoming. I see no way of knowing the truth of the matter just now.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Failing a sudden gifted reveal or something, I don't think I'll be voting for Lottie, Nog or Wilwa. The odds that no member of that trio is a wolf don't look good to me.

I honestly am nervous suspecting Lottie because my read of her has been terrible in the past. I do think she looks worse than the other two there.

I found something from Glirdan that might reflect positively on Steve and Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Now on to Nog's list of last minute votes for Izzy at the end of the Day.

It is highly unlikely that there is no Wolf in that group, and out of all four, Eonwe and Nerwen stand out the most for their lack of reasoning. Nerwen's vote was the last of the Day and the deciding vote on who was to be lynched. Yet Eonwe voted with a mere explanation of "he's more suspicious." Care to explain why you thought so?

Certainly wolf-on-wolf is not out of the question there, but it seems unwarranted and reckless to me, if that's what it was.

++Nerwen- for that and my reasons from before.

++Brinn- Her words before DL yesterDay, which is mostly why I wanted to save her, make me believe she's probably innocent.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I think the two remaining wolves may more likely be in the group of people who voted earlier, rather then those closer to the end. Because considering they had already lost 1 wolf if a few saw that Glirdan was in a lot of danger I would think that they would try to protect him more if they had a chance. So those who voted closer to the end of the Day and didn't vote for him when it was clear he was in danger, look a bit better to me.

So are you suggesting that people choose their time-zones on the basis of a ww-game situations?

Anyway. I see your point and agree with it that those who left Glirdy to die at the late moments look better - unless another wolf was at the fray as well. But be that as it may, I'm a bit curious as to why you press this point as much as you do...

So the last vote for Glirdan was by me, about halfway through the votes. At that point he was tied for 2 with a fair number of people. The point where he seemed to be in the most danger would be about around his own vote for Lottie, since by then alot of the 2 people were bumped up to 3 and he was still at 2.

So basically I think the wolves would more likely be in the earlier voters, since at that point it is pretty unclear who's gonna go (since a ton of people were all tied for 1 and then 2 votes) and so they may not have thought Glirdan would be in danger, and therefore used their votes on other packmates perhaps instead.

I mean where did you see the supporting votes to go Glirdy's way to come from, at any part of the Day? I'd say an early vote to Glirdy - and then crossing fingers - would be all his mates could do.

Do correct me if I have lost the host of confidence-pledges to him... but I think it was quite obvious he was a main candidate all Day long; not so much as someone everyone suspected but as one none wished to put into their fave-four. Not the only one though (as could be seen from the votes). So the wolves would need to try something or just offer him as a sacrifical lamb there - but having lost one already with Nienna I'd doubt the latter. So I would think it believable at least one wolf would have tried to save him with an early vote. Be it you wilwa or Lottie, hard to say. Or maybe it was you both? That would explain your to and fro with Lottie and concentrating on any early voters rather than on Glirdan-voters... (okay, I can understand why you wouldn't wish to concentrate on the Glirdy-voters only even if you were innocent...)

[satansaloser2005]

It's too quiet.


Whose Day is it for the song and dance routine?


EDIT: x'd with a Noggin and two Forms.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

[wilwarin538]

A list in the order that I trust people:

Inzil
Fea
Form
Nerwen
Rune
Nog
Brinn
Lottie
Izzy
Eonwe

So I'll just vote now then, cause I don't really see these changing:

++Inzil - I see him as being a known innocent, considering what Form said about Nienna's hunt choices, and since I trust Form

++Fea - still trust her completely.

++Form - because of the Lover thing and even from before that I did as well

++Nerwen - someone who kind of went under my radar for a bit, but now I'd like to keep her around

I'll still be around randomly for the next hour or so between study times.

x'ed with Fea...interesting, would make sense, seems like something Sally would do...

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Fea

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

Ooh, that is something to consider. I hope it's not so, but it could very well be a possibility.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Or Brinn the master-wolf whom no one suspects as she's so sneaky. If she is a wolf her post toDay was a masterpiece, but not the first she has made. It looks quite calculated - or then I'm just reading too much into her.

You are reading too much into this. I made that post and the votes early because I said I wouldn't be around much during the Day. I don't understand how you can suspect me with one of the reasons being that no one has paid attention to my early post. No matter what my role is, I have no control over how people may react to my posts.

[Brinniel]

Lottie I'm torn about. On one hand, she hasn't sat comfortably with me all game...but then I have this feeling she just might be innocent after all.

The way Nogrod has gone about his suspicions toDay makes me a bit worried about him.

Still have a bad feeling about Eonwe, though I don't really yet have a reasoning for it.

Nerwen worries me simply because she has slid through the game quite smoothly so far, something she does very well at as a wolf. I would like to keep an eye on her.

I think we should spread the votes out a bit more, so perhaps I'll vote for Rune or wilwa. I don't really have an opinion of either, but I'm thinking there are better candidates for lynching.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Why did you vote for Glirdan, Loslote? Or for any of the people whom you voted for?

In #215, you trusted Nog, Zil, Fea and were unsure, but leaned innocent on Wilwa, Glirdan, Nerwen, Pitch.

In #277 you voted for Zil, Glirdan, Nog

So how did the unsure Glirdan get voted for, above the trusted Fea?

I was skimming through the rest of your posts, to search for reasons as to why you voted how you did. And to be quite frank, I've noticed some blaring inconsistencies in your statements. I'll cover them in my next post, but right now my dogs are yipping and crying to go outside.

Nog and Zil looked innocent. (Still do, btw.) No one thought Glirdy looked innocent, and I didn't want to see a massacre of someone I didn't suspect.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Along those lines, I'm curious as to why, when I commented on many accepting Form as an innocent without any moddess confirmation:

Loslote's response was this:

But now, with respect to Form she's moved back to suspecting him:

No, I don't particularly suspect him. My comment was that, based on what Glirdy said, Formy or Wilwa could look bad, and I think Wilwa's the bad one of the two.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Back again... I had to go out before.

Interesting points on Lottie from Izzy and Zil. She's also had both known wolves vote for her– although, with everyone having four votes, and her being very active this game, that may not mean anything.

Well, to be fair, that was after analysing Glirdan's posts– and yet, I can't see that her analysis supports her conclusions. So Glirdan wavered about Form... so what? (In a similar vein, why the completely opposite judgements on Wilwa and Nog? Lottie?)

–Not that I think we should start treating Form as an absolutely known innocent either. Any game devised by the mind of Sally is liable to have some strange twists in it...

Because Glirdy was so very adament about Nog, but quiet about Wilwa. He knew people suspected him, so he, not being a complete noob, laid false trails to Nog - and me.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I am also curious about this, since Glirdy was far more adament about Nog's innocence then he was for mine.

oh, and

anyone have any idea what this might mean???

Talk people, I'm in class here bored out of my mind, I need some action!

I'm gonna go make a new list, some people have shifted around a bit....

...um, exactly. I trust Nog *because* Glirdy was so adament. See above comment.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

With Izzy's last second vote for Brinn, which, as she would have thought, tied her with Glirdan, I'm quite comfortable with Izzy now.

Let's look at her vote tally from yesterDay.

I'm noting this:

Loslote -> Zil, Glirdan, Nog

this,

Glirdan -> Wilwa (4), Nog (2)
Glirdan -> Fea (4)
Glirdan -> Loslote (3)

and this

Nog -> Rune, Zil (2), Loslote (2)
Nog -> Form (2)

Here's what strikes me:

A known wolf voted for Nog and Loslote.
Loslote voted for the wolf and Nog.
Nog voted for Loslote.

Granted, when everyone has four votes, coincidences can happen. But can all that be happenstance?

Yes. Yes it can.

EDIT: xed since 460

[Loslote]

++Nerwen

I'm pretty sure she's innocent.

++Fea

Even if she can't be Simon, she can still be innocent, and I trust her.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Lottie

I think Wilwa's the bad one of the two

So much for wanting to trust me and thinking me innocent. This seems very much to me like noticing that everyone else isn't trusting me, and you hopping on board. It's so interesting that every time I'm innocent it's one little vote that I make, that I don't completely think through, that ends up getting me in trouble. Oh, and Nog saying I'm too helpful or nice, that usually does me in as well.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Because Glirdy was so very adament about Nog, but quiet about Wilwa. He knew people suspected him, so he, not being a complete noob, laid false trails to Nog - and me.

You don't think it's possible, with Glirdan not being a n00b and all, that he was SO obvious about Nog that he'd knew we'd think it was too obvious? And with Nog being so against Glirdan trusting him it sets up pretty nicely to make Nog look good. Gwath's first try of his game Glirdan managed to get me lynched first Day, and I had suspected him just as fervently, as well as the second try (we were both innocent, both tries of the game). We both suspect each other all the time and we're always wrong since we're rarely wolves, so this game I wanted to cut him some slack (this was never talked about between us since we don't talk about games til they're over, but when I saw he was making an effort to trust me I figured I'd do the same for him, atleast at the beginning, and I've missed having him around the past 2 years so I wanted to keep him around for a bit) It just so happened to totally work against me.

I'm going to shut up now. I hate getting defensive. I know we can afford to lose a few days without lynching a wolf and still be fine since we're so far ahead, but I really hope you guys don't just let that happen toDay with me.

x'ed with a few
EDIT: had to fix quote from Nog to Lottie, sorry Nog, you were mentioned in the quote so I was confused

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

I was just thinking that myself... so we can't necessarily go on people's track records of seeming innocent. I mean, at least as far as who is "safe" to vote for. ToDay, though, I think it's more important to make sure one of the actually suspicious people does get lynched.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So... I have a theory.

As to why nobody died last night.

Cursed villager.

I think we might have another bad guy.

Oh. Dear.

*deep sighs*

But isn't the One Hit Wonder supposed to be a good guy?

*crosses fingers it is supposed to be a good guy*

*crosses fingers, then, that it was the One Hit Wonder last night*

*glares at Sally for good measure*

++ Inziladun
++ Fea
++ Isabelkya
++ Nerwen

I'm not sold on Izzy or Nerwen being innocent, but they look better to me than the others...

...sorry, Rune.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

*glares at Sally for good measure*

I....love you?

[satansaloser2005]

I'm bored. Anyone fancy a game? Monopoly? Tic tac toe? Bingo? Anyone?


*crawls back into her hole and watches the action*

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Tic tac toe?

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