Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

I find this a bit odd...

Originally Posted by Izzy

Sad that the Hunter is gone so quickly, but niice that she took a wolf with her. xD

Yeah, there is the smilie in the end but somehow it just looks not right.

I'm not a native speaker as most of you know, but to me that looks an odd way to phrase it.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

PS. As you see, I'm skimming the thread and coming forwards making any points as I go unless I get a better idea...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I find this a bit odd...
Yeah, there is the smilie in the end but somehow it just looks not right.

I'm not a native speaker as most of you know, but to me that looks an odd way to phrase it.

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

It might be. . . wolves has previously been caught by small random things like this, but it is also very easy to over-react.

To be honest, I don't read it the same way, but I like that stuff as this is brought up.

(Don't have much internet time. . .is looking through the thread)

[Nogrod]

Some points from the read-in...


This new game-mechanic is proving to be really challenging. To be truthful, I have to say I’m a bit uneasy with all this open support I seem to have (well, seemed to have anyway earlier on the Day). It easily makes me ponder whether there is some buttering-up going on. But on the other hand one wouldn’t like to get all those who trust you to get annoyed with you by suspecting their trust in a game where you need confidence-votes to stay alive.

Lottie had some good points on Eönwë and I’m not to sure his answers were that confidence-arousing. Especially what he said on Nienna.

I do appreciate Nerwen’s level-headedness.

I’d be one of those who’d not automatically count on the wolves to vote in a certain pattern. But giving my two cents on it anyhow.

I think it’s clear an early voter-wolf could easily vote one of her/his fellows without looking too bad but still making possibly a crucial vote saving the mate’s neck (and I’m talking about these first Days here – later it might be different), but if it felt to that wolf there was support enough s/he could easily let the mates without a vote as well. In the end there sure is some pressure even with this game dynamics if it looks like a mate is in danger of being lynched. Izzy’s fast rise in the tallies in the end of the Day1 does actually raise my eyebrows. I need to check closer as to what actually happened as soon as I get through the remaining thread.

[Pitchwife]

Nice find about Izzy, Nog. Sounds a little off to me, too. And now you mention it, Glirdan said something similar in #208:

It is sad that Nienna was killed during the Night for she definitely could have proved to have been of some great help to us, but at least she didn't die in vain!

OK, maybe he meant she could have been helpful as a reasonable player, or even as a known innocent later on if revealed, but what greater help can a Hunter be to the village than by killing a wolf, especially so early on?

EDIT: x-ed w/ Nog and Zil; also added bolding.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

OK, maybe he meant she could have been helpful as a reasonable player, or even as a known innocent later on if revealed, but what greater help can a Hunter be to the village than by killing a wolf, especially so early on?

Good spotting a well! And I agree with your reservations as well. Later in the game a revealed hunter is one whom the wolves will not dare to touch - and Nienna was one of the most reasonable players yesterDay. Like Zil said, these both cases I think belong to the category "if there is something else to suspect X for, this might be a brick to add to the wall".

At the moment, I feel a bit uneasy with Glirdan already saying he trusts me, a bit too much - and about Izzy getting saved late on D1 (I'll go to check that latter like now).

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I really don't think that Form is a wolf and I would actually like to see him as simon. . .

I simply don't belive that he would deliberatly post too early, of course there is a chance that two wolves posted too early by mistake. . .but I have seen nothing to indicate that Form is a wolf.

I do realise that Mira defended him, but would the wolves dare to establish such obvious links this early in the game?
I would never dare, but I was never known for bravery.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

Can we just lynch you?

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

My muse currently is otherwise occupied. Should inspiration strike, you'll know.

Originally Posted by the phantom

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

I'm not the 'snuggly' sort, so no worries there.

Originally Posted by the phantom

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

Cats being assuredly not evil, they do not mesh with wolves.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,
- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.
- His votes of confidence were clearly to those others who posted prematurely, and if he's innocent - and as he is the D1-hater I know - it would sound pretty straightforward from him. In general I could see some "goodwill" forming in an innocent towards others who have screwed up like himself...

I'm not saying he should not be suspected and I'd like to hear what he says toDay, but let's ponder these factors as well.

I had a hard time seeing him doing something like that too. It's not the early posting by itself so much as it is the totality of circumstances. The fact that he and Mira voted for one another as well is what makes me uneasy about him.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What I find a bit disconcerting is that more or less everyone seems to be assuming that Fea and wilwa are innocent by default. Well I tend to think them more innocent than not, but not by default or think it somehow self-evident.

I don't see anything particularly evil-looking about either of them, but they're not in the clear, to be sure.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And anyway, killing a wolf while going down is the ultimate victory of the hunter - after just D1 it's like unparalleled heroism. So: "sad the hunter is gone so quickly"? Hope you see what I mean? To me it looks more like someone who is forced to say something good on the hunter - and not feeling it truly as a good thing.

I can see what you mean, and it is a somewhat odd way to phrase it, but that by itself wouldn't be enough to make me think Izzy a wolf. Just something to file away in case other things about her come to the forefront.

x/d with Nog