WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 01-19-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

And really. If wilwa says "we most likely lose" then you say "I'm not sure about it" - and it takes you this long to actually come up with an explanation...

I need to add... while in the meantime you try to give us untrue or fabricated replies... and now you wish we should believe that at this point you're finally true whilst earlier you were just... well what? Why didn't you say that already much earlier? Let me guess... You came up with that explanation only now?

wilwarin538 · 01-19-2010, 07:27 PM

I kinda get what Inzil is saying, about him not reiterating that us not getting a wolf means we probably lose, since I had already said it. But I also get what you're trying to say Nog.

We could still technically win if we lynch an ord toDay, as long as the Ranger protects the right person. But if we lynch the Ranger then we're definitely done for. Which is why lynching a boy gives us our best chance. I think everyone can pretty much agree that this is our best chance.

Honestly? I could justify a vote for any of you three boys. But I'm most comfortable voting for Inzil. Shasta scares me because he hasn't been on enough, so he would be risky, a shot in the dark like Nog put it. I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with Nog, no he's not cleared in my mind, but he's not freaking me out as much as he was yesterDay. So yeah, I'll probably go with Inzil.

I'd still like to hear more from the girls though.

Back to Jack Bauer now...

Lariren Shadow · 01-19-2010, 07:50 PM

Shasta does make a point about how Sally's generization(I think I just made up that word) of the Ranger could have been to throw off the wolves. The only way to really know is if we look through her posts and try to see if there are clues. But then we expose the Ranger.

So we are at a cross roads. Either we trust that Sally meant that the Ranger was a girl and lynch a boy, or we look for clues.

I'm going to try to look through things now.

wilwarin538 · 01-19-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest...

What?

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

wilwa pushed me into it with her light-hearted "I'm ready to vote Inzil" -comment. I still don't trust her you know, and her post showed she hadn't read the last posts - or she didn't want to take them into account - like she was protecting Shasta? Who knows? But I still think lynching a male is our best option - and Shasta didn't make it too hard to vote for him as I started to wawer with you.

and what?

I did take those posts into account, but there still wasn't much on Shasta, I don't agree with what he was saying about Sally's Ranger hints, but I don't think it's all that bad that I'm suddenly gonna switch over like that. I said at the beginning of toDay that I was willing to vote for Inzil, so why do you think it's so weird that I'm saying I still am willing to vote for him? Goodness you confuse me sometimes...

I'm gonna hold off for a bit longer, to hear more from those who haven't been around as much and still might have stuff to add. But I think I'll probably stick with Inzil.

wilwarin538 · 01-19-2010, 08:41 PM

Ok, so I have to sleep now, can't really wait any longer. I'm just going to stick with Inzil...

++Inziladun

Whoever everyone decides on I certainly hope we are right. And good luck to the Ranger toNight!

Inziladun · 01-19-2010, 09:19 PM

Nog is puzzling. I had some suspicion on him for the way he questioned Sally and, as it seemed, deliberately forced her to reveal her dream before she was ready to. I decided to push him and watch his response. He came back on the offensive. I thought I'd found a wolf and he would certainly vote for me, when he suddenly about faced and voted Shasta. What does that mean? Why would he give such an involved defence and attack me in the bargain, only to be swayed at the last minute by one post from Wilwa?
I did find Shasta's comments quite interesting, but Nog jumped on them with both feet.
Now Shasta had made me wary already because of his relative silence and blending in. Also, I noted yesterDay that he popped in at DL to vote, was asked by Sally for a brief list of his thoughts, and failed to answer at all, though he had around 10 minutes until DL. Then he disappeared again until (Nog asked for him!) toDay saying Wilwa 'backpedaled' on her Ranger idea, and saying I was 'fishy' without giving a reason. And one thing that Shasta said I really didn't like was that we couldn't necessarily count on the Ranger being a 'she', despite Sally's words, because it could be a bluff to the wolves. Now, if it was a bluff or not, I have no idea. But I assume Sally had a reason for saying it. If you do think it might have been something to throw off the wolves, why would you bring it out into the open like that?

But they can't both be wolves. Bloody hell.

And thanks, Wilwa.

Nogrod · 01-19-2010, 07:31 PM

I'm really torn with this decision.

In a way I think our wolves could well be Inzil and Shasta and thus I could vote either one with good conscience.

Then again I think that if both of them are not wolves and I vote it wrong, there will be three innocents and two wolves to vote - and thus with only one bad vote or an innocent failing to vote the wolves might get through toDay. And that would mean quite probable ending for the game.

I'm pretty suspicious of Inzil, but he did warn Sally not to ask the ranger to make a hint to her as it would be dangerous, as the wolves might spot it, and that sounds innocentish - although if I were a wolf I would have said the same thing to look concerned for the good of the innocents...

But then again Shasta's last few posts scream a wolf to me. I was actually right with Izzy yesterDay and that suspicion was truly aroused by just one later post of hers. So should I trust that small but reasonable looking suspicion or should I go with my more substantial suspicion which has counter-arguments as well?

OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest...

Nogrod · 01-19-2010, 07:36 PM

Okay. I need to go to sleep now. And it was actually wilwa's post that pushed me to this decision.

++ Shasta

Explanation: if it's not Inziland Shasta, it's more likely Shasta and wilwa than wilwa and Inzil. Thus Shasta figures in both combinations I find more likely.

Make it good!

Inziladun · 01-19-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I need to add... while in the meantime you try to give us untrue or fabricated replies... and now you wish we should believe that at this point you're finally true whilst earlier you were just... well what? Why didn't you say that already much earlier? Let me guess... You came up with that explanation only now?

And if I'd told you that straight off , you'd have said 'All right then'?

I did have that in my mind at the time.
For someone accusing me of fabricating a case, you're doing quite well yourself.
Funny how you never mentioned any serious suspicion of me til I came after you. But I think your reaction shows I'm right. I was starting to doubt somewhat after your explanation of your interactions with Sally yeaterDay, but your twisting my response to Wilwa's Ranger question gives me conviction. If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I have said, 'Sure, let's have it, Ranger.'?

EDIT- x/d with Nog, who didn't vote for me? Are you not a wolf, or just a bloody clever one?

Nogrod · 01-19-2010, 07:49 PM

I hadn't logged off yet...

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I have said, 'Sure, let's have it, Ranger.'?

Simple reason: that would have been very stupid for a wolf - and I know you're not stupid, but a reasonable person - sao that doesn't quite white-wash you if you thought it would...

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EDIT- x/d with Nog, who didn't vote for me? Are you not a wolf, or just a bloody clever one?

wilwa pushed me into it with her light-hearted "I'm ready to vote Inzil" -comment. I still don't trust her you know, and her post showed she hadn't read the last posts - or she didn't want to take them into account - like she was protecting Shasta? Who knows? But I still think lynching a male is our best option - and Shasta didn't make it too hard to vote for him as I started to wawer with you.

You know the wolves can afford to go after certain persons they want to get rid of as they know who are on which side. But innocents need to consider and reconsider all the possibilities.

01-19-2010, 07:50 PM	#3
Lariren Shadow Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Where the day meets the night Posts: 607	Shasta does make a point about how Sally's generization(I think I just made up that word) of the Ranger could have been to throw off the wolves. The only way to really know is if we look through her posts and try to see if there are clues. But then we expose the Ranger. So we are at a cross roads. Either we trust that Sally meant that the Ranger was a girl and lynch a boy, or we look for clues. I'm going to try to look through things now. __________________ Choose treachery, its more fun! Last edited by Lariren Shadow; 01-19-2010 at 07:51 PM. Reason: x-posting since Wilwa's post...and its my 600th post!

01-19-2010, 08:41 PM	#5
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Ok, so I have to sleep now, can't really wait any longer. I'm just going to stick with Inzil... ++Inziladun Whoever everyone decides on I certainly hope we are right. And good luck to the Ranger toNight! __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

01-19-2010, 09:19 PM	#6
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Nog is puzzling. I had some suspicion on him for the way he questioned Sally and, as it seemed, deliberately forced her to reveal her dream before she was ready to. I decided to push him and watch his response. He came back on the offensive. I thought I'd found a wolf and he would certainly vote for me, when he suddenly about faced and voted Shasta. What does that mean? Why would he give such an involved defence and attack me in the bargain, only to be swayed at the last minute by one post from Wilwa? I did find Shasta's comments quite interesting, but Nog jumped on them with both feet. Now Shasta had made me wary already because of his relative silence and blending in. Also, I noted yesterDay that he popped in at DL to vote, was asked by Sally for a brief list of his thoughts, and failed to answer at all, though he had around 10 minutes until DL. Then he disappeared again until (Nog asked for him!) toDay saying Wilwa 'backpedaled' on her Ranger idea, and saying I was 'fishy' without giving a reason. And one thing that Shasta said I really didn't like was that we couldn't necessarily count on the Ranger being a 'she', despite Sally's words, because it could be a bluff to the wolves. Now, if it was a bluff or not, I have no idea. But I assume Sally had a reason for saying it. If you do think it might have been something to throw off the wolves, why would you bring it out into the open like that? But they can't both be wolves. Bloody hell. And thanks, Wilwa. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-19-2010, 07:31 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I'm really torn with this decision. In a way I think our wolves could well be Inzil and Shasta and thus I could vote either one with good conscience. Then again I think that if both of them are not wolves and I vote it wrong, there will be three innocents and two wolves to vote - and thus with only one bad vote or an innocent failing to vote the wolves might get through toDay. And that would mean quite probable ending for the game. I'm pretty suspicious of Inzil, but he did warn Sally not to ask the ranger to make a hint to her as it would be dangerous, as the wolves might spot it, and that sounds innocentish - although if I were a wolf I would have said the same thing to look concerned for the good of the innocents... But then again Shasta's last few posts scream a wolf to me. I was actually right with Izzy yesterDay and that suspicion was truly aroused by just one later post of hers. So should I trust that small but reasonable looking suspicion or should I go with my more substantial suspicion which has counter-arguments as well? OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

01-19-2010, 07:36 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. I need to go to sleep now. And it was actually wilwa's post that pushed me to this decision. ++ Shasta Explanation: if it's not Inziland Shasta, it's more likely Shasta and wilwa than wilwa and Inzil. Thus Shasta figures in both combinations I find more likely. Make it good! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

01-19-2010, 07:27 PM	#2
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	I kinda get what Inzil is saying, about him not reiterating that us not getting a wolf means we probably lose, since I had already said it. But I also get what you're trying to say Nog. We could still technically win if we lynch an ord toDay, as long as the Ranger protects the right person. But if we lynch the Ranger then we're definitely done for. Which is why lynching a boy gives us our best chance. I think everyone can pretty much agree that this is our best chance. Honestly? I could justify a vote for any of you three boys. But I'm most comfortable voting for Inzil. Shasta scares me because he hasn't been on enough, so he would be risky, a shot in the dark like Nog put it. I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with Nog, no he's not cleared in my mind, but he's not freaking me out as much as he was yesterDay. So yeah, I'll probably go with Inzil. I'd still like to hear more from the girls though. Back to Jack Bauer now... __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin