WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[satansaloser2005]

Who's your lover, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by sally

Who's your lover, Lottie?

Nogrod. Zil analysis pending, but I keep missing posts, getting to where they should be, and headdesking.

[Loslote]

Day 1

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I can only speak for myself, but the answer here is a definite no. Just a poor Working Stiff.

And bravo, Lottie. The only thing missing is the melody! By the way, was that based upon something else, or was it a Lottie Original?
So, this is it so far? I'll be back when more of the young people begin to stir.

Nice little first post. Makes everyone happy, says he's off. Nothing much there.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Wilwa- Guilty for making lists.

Still nothing of note? This is disappointing, even for Day 1. It does look likely I'll be making a shot in the dark by voting for a sub, at this rate.
Outing the 'PM Pals', hmm? I suppose we could, but what would it accomplish?

EDIT-had to remove one of Wilwa's smilies to allow one of my own

Wilwa banter; complains about lack of posts; comments on the outage of the pmers. About the pmers, this is exactly what I think when I read this: If everyone wants to I have no objection but I don't know why we should.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I was wondering the same thing, Wilwa. You're may be right, but I don't know how you could be so sure.

Izzy, hm? Well, I would ask you if she's said anything interesting, or, even better, lupine, but then, how do I know you're not a wolf?
This is why I don't see what this gains us. We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa

Questioning how Wilwa knew there would be no wolf/gifted pairings; banter with Izzy. This also says nothing. "You're maybe right, but I don't know how you could be so sure." Maybe, but maybe not.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

To be fair, I think she also said there were four wolves, so I'm not sure if she was entirely serious about that.

Wilwa said she was basically just trying to get people posting, and it appears she was somewhat successful. I didn't think she was all that enthused about it herself, just trying to get reactions.

So, Sally and I say practically the same thing, yet somehow I'm evil and she isn't?

x/d with Lottie (ah! my first vote!) and Glirdan

Defends Wilwa; resonding to me. Yes, because Sally's actually took a stance. Yours said nothing but sounded nice, if you look closely.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Morsul's absence is a bit disconcerting, but I don't see him as voteworthy just yet.
At the moment, I think I'm leaning toward Lottie. No one else really stands out as much at the moment, and her vote for me wasn't very well reasoned, even if it is me saying so. I never said I was for or against the PM-Pal outing, yet she claims I flip-flopped.
There's also the way she seems to be misrepresenting Wilwa's words, as Rikae notes. I'd like to hear from some others though before I decide.

x/d with Glirdan

I claimed you flip-flopped because you never actually gave a position, but you seemed to twice. I did not misrepresent Wilwa's words. In the post where she suggested revealing pm pals, she also considered fake revealing or voting herself. In my mind, that counts a joking. Inzil also worries about Morsul's absense.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, I don't think I'll be around for DL, so it's

++Lottie

As I said, her vote seemed quite forced, and no one else looks worse.

Votes me because my vote was forced.

Day 2

Originally Posted by Inziladun

A Ranger save? Outstanding. The first thing to figure out is why they were after you, Sally. I missed most of the stuff that happened around DL yesterDay, so I think it could be worthwhile to look at that more closely.

Is happy about the Ranger save and says the first thing is to establish why they were after Sally. Wants to look at the dl stuff. Honestly, that doesn't seem all that helpful to me, since at the dl it was just Sally and Morsul, and they're both cleared already.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The only thing that jumps out about Sally in the last hour or two before DL is that she voted in the end for Shasta over Morsul. It could have meant Shasta's death, but for the coin toss.
I don't think that's proof of Shasta's guilt, but it doesn't make him look particularly good. He also voted for Morsul, though admittedly that was to save himself. I can't necessarily blame him for that alone.
Hm. An attempt to silence one who almost killed him, or a wolfish plot to put him under a cloud?
I guess I should look back at the rest of Sally's doings to see if there's anything there. That'll probably have to wait a few hours, though. My bed awaits.

Looks at Sally and thinks that Shasta could be guilty.

I still think he's wolfish, but he hasn't posted much. It's hard to tell.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Plgh. I keep thinking that deadline is at nine, not in less than ten minutes.

Ahh, okay. I must've missed that. I suppose I should clarify. What is your opinion on her vote reasoning. As she essentially voted for one whom came online, noticed lack of posts, then didn't contribute to the post count number. Which you are condemning me for mentioning. xD

I've got to vote now.
++Shasta

Somewhat random. I know he can contribute more, Mister!

X'd with Glirdan and mistyped Shasta's name.

Has she ever mentioned Shasta before? Not that I saw, at least, but I could be mistaken. Izzy? Or it's a gutfeeling, random vote, which, although not horrible, isn't great either. Not picking up too much here.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Ah! Deadline?!

++Shasta

Really, just pulling a name out here.

She didn't cross with Izzy. If dl really was right when she posted, she would have cemented Shasta's death. If it weren't a hasty, random vote, it would look pretty bandwaggony. But it was a hasty and random vote, so I don't know what to think. She later says:

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Well then, I have no idea if retracting votes is allowed, but

--Shasta

I don't really want to vote for him, mostly because that was just a "aaaahhhh deadline" decision.

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

So for right now, Lari looks suspicious to me, but Izzy doesn't really. Izzy could easily change; Lari not so much.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Is happy about the Ranger save and says the first thing is to establish why they were after Sally. Wants to look at the dl stuff. Honestly, that doesn't seem all that helpful to me, since at the dl it was just Sally and Morsul, and they're both cleared already.

I know Morsul was cleared after his death, but how could you know that Sally was cleared already? This statement doesn't make sense unless you have more information...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I know Morsul was cleared after his death, but how could you know that Sally was cleared already? This statement doesn't make sense unless you have more information...

I think she means that when Dun made that statement the attempt had already been made on my life, so we already knew I wasn't a wolf.

[Loslote]

Probably Guilty
Zil
Lari

Possibly Guilty
Shasta
Izzy

Not a Clue
Nog
Rikae
Alona

Possibly Innocent
Wilwa

Probably Innocent
Sally
Lottie (Nore of a definitely, but I'm not going to bother making a new heading.)

Well, alright then. Probably going to vote Zil or Lari, but could be persuaded to vote Shasta, or Izzy. I will not vote Wilwa, Sally, or myself, and it would take a seer reveal or something similar to make me vote Nog, Rikae, or Alona.

EDIT: xed with Alona and Sally - yay!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I know Morsul was cleared after his death, but how could you know that Sally was cleared already? This statement doesn't make sense unless you have more information...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I think she means that when Dun made that statement the attempt had already been made on my life, so we already knew I wasn't a wolf.

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry. I meant that Zil wanted to look at the interactions of two known innocents, and that didn't seem all that helpful to me.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

Though I've only played with Lari in one game before, I know she's the type - like me - to make on-the-spot decisions when a DL is close. I can see how you might suspect her, but I think it was just an honest mistake on her part. The DL was 9PM last game, 8PM this game then changed to 10PM a few hours before the DL yesterDay. Even I'm confused a little there.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry. I meant that Zil wanted to look at the interactions of two known innocents, and that didn't seem all that helpful to me.

Okay that makes more sense, but his post was on Day 1 and at that point I don't think Morsul had revealed as the Hunter yet. So his comment wasn't between two known innocents at that point, right?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Though I've only played with Lari in one game before, I know she's the type - like me - to make on-the-spot decisions when a DL is close. I can see how you might suspect her, but I think it was just an honest mistake on her part. The DL was 9PM last game, 8PM this game then changed to 10PM a few hours before the DL yesterDay. Even I'm confused a little there.

Point noted. The split second decision isn't the issue - I don't mind Izzy doing the same - it's the hint of bandwaggoning that alarms me. Lari kind of jumped on Izzy's vote, and that would have killed Shasta if the dl really was then.

EDIT: xed with alona

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Okay that makes more sense, but his post was on Day 1 and at that point I don't think Morsul had revealed as the Hunter yet. So his comment wasn't between two known innocents at that point, right?

Actually, the post I was talking about was his first on Day 2. Morsul and Sally were both known innocents at that time.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Point noted. The split second decision isn't the issue - I don't mind Izzy doing the same - it's the hint of bandwaggoning that alarms me. Lari kind of jumped on Izzy's vote, and that would have killed Shasta if the dl really was then.

EDIT: xed with alona

True, Morsul's vote for Glirdan cross-posted with Lari's vote for Shasta - and Glirdan and I hadn't voted at that point, so a lot of cards were up in the air. She did try to retract the vote, too - and that post came before mine and Glirdan's votes tied Morsul with Shasta.

[Loslote]

Lari's voting Shasta makes me reconsider his place on my list. He slips down to Unsure, and I now don't really want to vote him toDay.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Actually, the post I was talking about was his first on Day 2. Morsul and Sally were both known innocents at that time.

Okay, but here's what worries me: your surety that Sally's a "known" innocent - when in fact, only Morsul and Glirdan are the "known" innocents.

Why are you so certain of Sally's innocence, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Okay, but here's what worries me: your surety that Sally's a "known" innocent - when in fact, only Morsul and Glirdan are the "known" innocents.

Why are you so certain of Sally's innocence, Lottie?

Because the wolves tried to kill her. As far as I know, the wolves aren't going to try to kill a packmate. Or if they did, then we've got some really dumb wolves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sally's innocent because her character, Boardwalk Sandy, was the target of the kill in the night narration. At least that's what I'm gathering.

Which puts me in a pickle. Because if it wasn't known that Sally was an innocent, I'd probably vote for her sheerly on the basis of this revealing-lovers business.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the way, don't consider this as me being "here". I just popped in right before bed to find out that Alona's been naughty.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Because the wolves tried to kill her. As far as I know, the wolves aren't going to try to kill a packmate. Or if they did, then we've got some really dumb wolves.

First, the wolves would kill a packmate if they thought the sacrifice would help them win. This is how Nienna, Form and I won Boro's game.

Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

By the way, don't consider this as me being "here". I just popped in right before bed to find out that Alona's been naughty.

My dear, how have I been naughty?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?

Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.

Yeah, pretty sure it does this time. What with him using her char's name and all.

And would a wolf really Night-kill their packmate? Lynch, maybe, but not Night-kill. Night-kill you'd know that the wolves just killed one of their own. Not helpful for the wolves. Lynch you'd know that someone killed a wolf, they must be helping us kill wolves.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Yeah, pretty sure it does this time. What with him using her char's name and all.

And would a wolf really Night-kill their packmate? Lynch, maybe, but not Night-kill. Night-kill you'd know that the wolves just killed one of their own. Not helpful for the wolves. Lynch you'd know that someone killed a wolf, they must be helping us kill wolves.

Like I said, out of the norm for me - and this is my first game back after a long hiatus. Not as long as Glirdan's, of course!

When I talked about wolves sacrificing a packmate, I was referring to a lynch, not a Night kill. Either way - now that I've clued in to the narration - Sally's innocent, yes.

But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

[alonariel]

Oh mod of ours, did you mean to use Sally's character name in the thread as a signal that she was the intended Night kill? Or was that just coincidence?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Like I said, out of the norm for me - and this is my first game back after a long hiatus. Not as long as Glirdan's, of course!

When I talked about wolves sacrificing a packmate, I was referring to a lynch, not a Night kill. Either way - now that I've clued in to the narration - Sally's innocent, yes.

But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

We are now. ModGod has spoken, and we like good little slaves shall listen raptly. Especially when it's to our advantage.

EDIT: xed with Alona

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

We are now. ModGod has spoken, and we like good little slaves shall listen raptly. Especially when it's to our advantage.

EDIT: xed with Alona

Alrighty, then. Now that this debacle is over, do you have a list, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Alrighty, then. Now that this debacle is over, do you have a list, Lottie?

*cough*#127*cough*

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

*cough*#127*cough*

Eeek! I missed that, sorry. Cool list...reasons, except Lari and Zil since you've stated those a few times?

[Loslote]

Shasta has moved down to Unsure because of Lari voting him.
Izzy because of the dl voting, but she's barely above Unsure, too.
Nog is in Not-a-Clue because I haven't a clue what he is. Same for Rikae and Alona.
Wilwa is under possibly innocent for no good reason other than I think her innocent, and don't suspect her at all.
Sally's innocent because of the narration.
I'm innocent because I'm just cool that way. (Seriously, though, never been evil, and proud of it. )

[Loslote]

I'm going to have to go to sleep soon, but I'll be back three and a half hours before dl, so I'm not going to vote yet. Good morning!

[Isabellkya]

This post is to say that I'm here and reading.

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

So for right now, Lari looks suspicious to me, but Izzy doesn't really. Izzy could easily change; Lari not so much.

That's what I meant. I didn't want to vote for him. I honestly was surprised by the deadline, flustered from a long day of work and voted for the first person who I could think of. Which was Shasta. That's why I wanted to retract. It was a horrible split second decision that I didn't want to stick with after I learned it wasn't deadline. I didn't like it when I did it, I wanted to take it back.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Point noted. The split second decision isn't the issue - I don't mind Izzy doing the same - it's the hint of bandwaggoning that alarms me. Lari kind of jumped on Izzy's vote, and that would have killed Shasta if the dl really was then.

EDIT: xed with alona

Yes of course, I was entirely thinking of bandwagon at that point. No, first name in my head. That's all. All that registared to me from Izzy's post was "deadline in five minutes".

Originally Posted by Loslote

Lari's voting Shasta makes me reconsider his place on my list. He slips down to Unsure, and I now don't really want to vote him toDay.

Why? Why does that make him better? Wolves vote wolves. Its a strategy. By thinking one packmate wouldn't throw another under the bus is close minded and like a newbie wolf.

The fact that you, Lottie, have been arguing with Alona and still consider her innocent is interesting. In fact, its almost like a defense. "We were arguing but I thought her innocent so if she's Night killed clearly it wasn't me."

As for knowing who was the attempted Night kill I want to hear back from Gwath. Yes, it was Sally's character, but does that really mean she was the Night kill or was Gwath using the name for narration.

[Isabellkya]

It looks from the narration like Sandy was going to get shot, until a person on a motorcycle interceded. Since there was no death, it looks like a Ranger save. It also looks like Sandy aka Sally was the intended target. Then further down it says the personal pronouns are for ease of narration. I assume in regards to the savior biker? Since Sandy was referred to by name, and not by gender alone? Or was the name picked by random, and we're just thirsty for narration information.

All of these pickle references. Talking about them on the thread, and I keep seeing commercials for them. Though for Vlasic, which those are just.. ewww.

I disagree that it would be "in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention." in regards to killing their lovers. It seems like a mighty large trail that they would be leaving behind. I can't imagine them being such generous (and obvious,) Hansel and Gretels.

Originally Posted by loslote

Questioning how Wilwa knew there would be no wolf/gifted pairings; banter with Izzy. This also says nothing. "You're maybe right, but I don't know how you could be so sure." Maybe, but maybe not.

That wasn't banter with me. That was towards Rikae and her reveal of the two of us as lovers/PMPals.

My vote upon Shasta was half random and half tradition. I didn't have a suspect, and I didn't want to vote for someone whom already had a vote. Day ones don't really come with loads of information, especially slow days - so they are essentially random. So somewhere along the werewolf playing line, voting for Shasta on day one became a tradition, a habit. Not one hundred percent of the time, but a high percentage.

If Sally was indeed the target for the wolves, then it pretty much clears her as being one of them. Wolves don't attack their mates during the Night. At least, I can't recall it ever happening purposely.. Here, we don't have Bus Drivers and list switchers, so that rules out that option.

I took what Inziladun said, as looking at what Sally said on Day One, to see what would've made her a tasty looking morsel for the wolves?


alonariel
In #102
Have to say I think the Ranger save last Night gives us a shot at winning this game! And besides, who would keep us all entertained around here if Sally were gone?

- I assume you are saying that Sally was the wolves' choice?

yet in #139
Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?


In #141
Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.


- Why are you flipflopping?

[Isabellkya]

Have we stepped into the Twilight Zone?
I just noticed that Nog has the least amount of posts in the thread.
Is he going to have to Nilp himself via his submarine philosophy?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Why are you flipflopping?

Because Inzil stated in post #99 that Sally was the intended kill. At the time, I went with it. My debate with Lottie about Sally's innocence didn't spark up for a few hours later and, if you'll forgive me, I'm battling less-than-great RL issues and a barking cough at the moment. I think I forgot about my witty banter post at the beginning of the Day. My memory is terrible on a good day - Lari can attest to this.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Have we stepped into the Twilight Zone?
I just noticed that Nog has the least amount of posts in the thread.
Is he going to have to Nilp himself via his submarine philosophy?

Seeing as it's Day 2, he might just be saved. Otherwise, I guess I would have to say goodbye to my former Lover...

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I did not misrepresent Wilwa's words. In the post where she suggested revealing pm pals, she also considered fake revealing or voting herself. In my mind, that counts a joking.

Exactly.


So we're revealing Lovers then, well anyone who read yesterday's posts closely would already know this:

Wilwa/Morsul

I really wish I had not been so exhausted and could have stayed up. Cause Morsul had told me his role earlier in the day, I may have been able to stop people voting him if I had been around.


So Sally as the kill choice then, well thank you Ranger! I suppose with such a small village the chance of a Ranger save is more likely, which is wonderful. Usually wolves try and go for a *safe* kill choice on Night 1, and I'm sure there were some who qualified as such. But Sally does still kinda make sense as a kill choice, it could be that the wolves were trying to set up Shasta, which would make Shasta look innocent. Or he's just being sneaky by doing something obvious, knowing we'd think it was too obvious and think him innocent. And the fact that he's upset about Alona revealing they're Lovers is kinda odd, I don't really see it as being that big of deal.

I will be back in a little bit, my mother's making me breakfast.

[satansaloser2005]

Goodie. That makes it:

Sally/Glirdan
Shasta/Alona
Morsul/Wilwa
Rikae/Izzy
Nog/Lottie
Dun/Lari

My internet's on the blink but I'll come back with conclusions on this in a bit.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

If I was a wolf I'd kill off my lover, to be honest. I mean, really. A seer lover would likely want to dream their partner, so it's in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention. So my theory is that if we know everyone's lovers maybe we'll be able to figure out at least some sort of pattern in yesterDay's activities.

I don't quite see the logic here. I agree that a Seer would be likely to dream their partner early on, if not first, but the odds are against the Seer being paired with a wolf. The wolves might be happy to be rid of a partner that could glean useful information about them, but they might also be thinking they could mainipulate their partner to their advantage. But, since you already know mine is Lari, it's a moot point.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Is happy about the Ranger save and says the first thing is to establish why they were after Sally. Wants to look at the dl stuff. Honestly, that doesn't seem all that helpful to me, since at the dl it was just Sally and Morsul, and they're both cleared already.

Obviously there was some reason she was targeted. Even though Morsul and Glirdan are gone, and both were innocent, you don't see the sense in looking for anything a wolf might have keyed in on? It was worth a try, at least.

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

As for knowing who was the attempted Night kill I want to hear back from Gwath. Yes, it was Sally's character, but does that really mean she was the Night kill or was Gwath using the name for narration.

I never considered Sandy might not refer to Sally. Both Glirdan and Morsul were referred to in-character in their narration, so why would that not be the case with Sally?

[wilwarin538]

Since nothing is happening I'm just gonna make a list...

Sally: very likely innocent

Shasta: makes me a bit uneasy, it seems like a Sally kill could have been an obvious attempt to set him up, and so I see it as possible that he was trying to set himself up to look good (I know that's a big stretch, I won't base a vote purely on that). And him not liking Alona revealing thier Loverness is kinda odd, since it isn't really that big a deal at this point.

Alona: sits quite well with me, I like that she posts so much

Rikae: is intense, and very Rikae-like, so I'm fairly good so far (I can't get over how different she is in RL)

Izzy: is completely under my radar, which is usual for me, so I'll try and pay closer attention for her

Nog: hasn't really been around much, so I don't know

Lottie: feel quite good about her today, I like her abundance of posts

Inzil: he makes me uneasy, but that's more of a feeling then anything else

Lari: her vote yesterday was a bit weird, but I get that at the time she thought it was deadline, so I'm not too worried


So......I don't really have much right now. I need posts people.