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Shastanis Althreduin · 12-13-2009, 04:25 PM

Notice - Whenever I'm a Gifted, the innocents lose, but I'm always successful in my Gift. (and no, Cobblerism doesn't count.)

satansaloser2005 · 12-13-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Notice - Whenever I'm a Gifted, the innocents lose, but I'm always successful in my Gift. (and no, Cobblerism doesn't count.)

I know. Believe me, I know.

So let me get this straight. We Fenris (sort of) one wolf, the seer dreams another, the hunter takes the third with him, and we still lose? Less than two hours into the Day? I'm sorely, repeat, sorely disappointed.

By the way, Nerwen, nice job killing me. I'd self-protected the Night before but was hoping I'd be confident enough you'd assume I was doing it last Night. Alas, it didn't work, much to my surprise and chagrin.

Still...."very very very unhappy."

Shasta, I may have a song for you, but it'll have to wait a couple days most likely.

Nerwen · 12-13-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

By the way, Nerwen, nice job killing me. I'd self-protected the Night before but was hoping I'd be confident enough you'd assume I was doing it last Night. Alas, it didn't work, much to my surprise and chagrin.

Ah, but I guessed that's what you were trying to make me think.

(Mind you, I had my heart in my mouth waiting for toDay's DL, I can tell you.)

Kudos to you and Shasta for hiding in plain sight so well. We all talked a lot about who the gifteds might be, but I don't think your names got mentioned except in passing.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-13-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Ah, but I guessed that's what you were trying to make me think.

(Mind you, I had my heart in my mouth waiting for toDay's DL, I can tell you.)

Kudos to you and Shasta for hiding in plain sight so well. We all talked a lot about who the gifteds might be, but I don't think your names got mentioned except in passing.

Seeing the PMs of those nights might be rather fun...

Nerwen · 12-13-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Seeing the PMs of those nights might be rather fun...

I don't think I saved the earlier Nights. I'll have a look.

Thinlómien · 12-13-2009, 04:45 PM

Meh, I'm not chagrined at you, Nerwen, not at all. You were just too good for me first and then used your opportunity smartly.

I'm more chagrined at werewolf in general, a bit at myself and a bit at Morsul.

But it will pass... don't worry.

Nerwen · 12-13-2009, 05:22 PM

I only saved pms from Night 3 onwards. These are all my replies, but as you see I quoted the others at length within them.

Night 3

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-03 11:25
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Originally Posted by Bes

My instinct is to get rid of Mac or Boro, but the first would probably make me very suspicious right now, and the second one I second guess based on what you've just said.

Alternatively, I don't know if it's a good strategy, but we could maybe kill Morsul and see if the crowd decides to kill Mac for it.

No, they probably won't... although, potentially pretty much anyone we kill could frame quite a few people, with the amount of suspicion going around the village.

Killing Mac would be unlikely to get you (Bes) lynchedñ I'm not sure why you say that. I think you're overestimating the amount of suspicion you're under, which is a thing first time wolves tend to do. Be careful not to let yourself get the jitters toMorrow.

If Mac's by any chance the Hunter he might of course decide to add any of us to his list on impulse– but that's a problem that isn't going away. A number of people have noticed how jumpy and "wolvish" he isñ may well mean something.

He's a very good player anyway, so worth getting rid of.

Thoughts?

~Nerwolf.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-03 13:36
Title : Who to kill...?
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Originally Posted by Bes

YesterDay he suspected all of us at once, so I'm leaning yes for a nightkill on Mac. I'd say to let him get lynched, but the suspicion around him wasn't sufficient to get him a single vote, and in the mean time he's still making sense, gifted or not.

Bes, I'm just reading through yesterDay now, and Mac has all of us as "undecided" or "tending innocent", so I'm not sure where you're getting all that from.

Not that his suspecting us would necessarily be a bad thing, as I said, except for that nasty little detail about the Hunter getting three shots.

However, I must confess I'd feel bad about killing Mac so early, when he hasn't played for a long time, and was killed on Night One in his last game (ahem! by me), so I'm currently looking at other prospects as well.

Back soon.

~Nerwolf.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-03 16:04
Title : FW: Thoughts about Mac (and toMorrow)
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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I wonder whether killing Mac might make me look like I backed off him because there was no chance to get him lynched and we were going to eat him anyway. And if he's the Hunter, I may be on his list already (more likely than either of you, I'd guess).
I think I could live (or rather die) with that, as we've got to get rid of the Hunter sooner or later, and our chances of escaping them (if it's not Mac) aren't likely to get better. It would suck to loose two of our pack in series, and I'd be sad to leave you two alone with the hard work to come, but still.

Don't know how I'll be able to fend for myself toMorrow - I'll try my very best, of course. Anyway, if I manage to stick my head in the noose, you two should keep your paws clean - or if you push what's falling, do it convincingly (i.e. with better reasons than Mnemo had against me yesterDay!). I'd think you have pretty good chances to survive for quite a while, so don't get tainted.

Another matter - do you think we can make any of the Lottie-wagoners look like they voted to save Mnemo? Difficult, as Mnemo had 5 votes already when Lottie got her 2nd, but worth a try?

Going to re-read the thread now for signs of Gifteds, other than Mac.
Pitch

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As I said to Besñ you're not under as much suspicion as you think... not considering how paranoid the whole village is getting about itself, anyway.

If not Mac, then I suggest Lommy, Nienna, or Eomer, who have all seemed quite odd, and whose deaths might cause a nice stir. Or, as I said last Night, Zil. He might be harder to lynch now, too. Or Boro– however, if my pm theory is correct, I think it would put him in the non-gifted category.

Yes to trying to frame the Lottie-voters– but be subtle!

Other than that, we'll have plenty of useful analysing of Mnemo to do tomorrow.

Now look, I really need to get some sleep, as it is very late here. Can I leave it to you to send in the kill, Pitch? I'm saying this in case you or Bes gets a sudden inspiration, or else just decide Mac's too risky at present, in which case pick one of the others. I'm not too particular which one.

~Nerwolf.

As you see, we really though Mac was a likely gifted at that point– and not a thought of Sally or Shasta. However, Pitch was left to make the decision on his own, and decided on Zil.

Night 4

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-05 03:06
Title : FW: Damn! A @ß%& Seer!
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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Phew! What a Day...
Lottie's reveal was a nasty surprise for us, to be sure. Sorry, Bes - nice try to get rid of the Seer, but you climbed out on a limb there, and as an innocent, I would so totally have applied the saw to it, I just couldn't resist. I was racking my brains for how to avoid voting you - thankfully others came up with the newbie excuse. Now we can only hope she takes Mac's advice and dreams someone else but you (or the rest of us)...

Bes is definitely not the logical person for her to dream, not with so many others looking worse.

Bad news is that Lottie is both good at spotting wolves and, I think, pretty headstrong, and she might just go ahead and dream Bes anyway... in which case you're dead, Bes, and there's not a thing we can do about it.

Good news is that if the worst comes to the worst, Pitch and I don't have any ties to you.

Oh well. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

And now I'm just going to take a moment to express my feelings on the situation:

^#&*@*@#*@#*#*@*(&&$@*%%#%#!!!!

First we lose the Night One kill, now this!

I just hope the next "surprise" works in our favour.

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I think we can safely assume the Ranger will protect her toNight (as she's only got this one Night to Dream, there wouldn't be that much point to gamble in order to save her next Night), so this is probably our chance to get rid of Mac instead, or whoever else you think is likely to be Gifted.
Unless the Ranger is one of those who doubted her reveal? Still, not bloody likely.

Not worth the risk. We'll get a free shot at her toMorrow night, so the known innocents will be down to whoever Lottie dreamed– if it's not one of us *crosses fingers*.

The drawback to so many villagers looking highly suspicious is that we can't bet on her dreaming any given person. Shasta is the most likely, but it would be a waste of a lynchee if we killed him and she dreamed someone else.

~Nerwolf.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-05 15:31
Title : FW: Nightkill
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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

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Originally Posted by Bes

I say we kill Eomer, based on the votes. I haven't looked at everything, since my brain is a bit fried, but wouldn't that make Sally look worse?

My brain's not exactly in perfect working condition either, and having a guest with me, I don't really have the time for another read through the thread. Having Eomer meet the Ice-Man is a definite possibility - if it won't look too obviously like framing sally.

It would frame her nicely... but the problem is, Sally is quite likely to get dreamed by Lottie. In fact, after re-reading the thread, she looks even more suspicious than Shasta, what with all that talk of her "partners", and seeming to know Nienna was innocent.

So if we kill Eomer to frame Sally, and toMorrow she becomes a known innocent, it's a bit of a waste.

Unless either of you think he might be gifted? Because it's gifteds and/or dangerous and/or hard-to-lynch players we should be trying for– under the current circumstances, there's no point trying to frame anyone when we don't know who Lottie will dream.

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

We also probably need to get rid of Shasta before he can go after Nerwen much further. I'm beginning to see where all that talk about his psychic powers comes from...

What, you thought people were just kidding about him being psychic? Now you know.

...So... maybe Shasta after all... or else Greenie, who is generally seen as innocent... or back to Mac.

Thoughts?

~Nerwolf.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Pitchwife
Date : 2009-12-05 16:55
Title : More on the Nightkill
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I've been thinking about this some more. I think not Shasta– if he doesn't get dreamed, he'll have his work cut out defending himself toMorrow, and if he does... well, it won't prove anything.

Meanwhile, if we kill him and Lottie dreams, say, Wilwa, we'd have lost two lynch baits instead of one.

How about killing Brinn or Greenie? They're in the hard-to lynch category, and they might be anything.

I have to go now. I'll try to be back before the DL– if I'm not, one of you will have to make the final decision and send in the kill. Sorry about this, but I have a bit of a timezone problem here ...

For toMorrow, I think we should lie low and say nuffin' until we know whether Lottie dreamed one of us. Or at least, say as little as possible. This is not just to avoid incriminating each other– if one of us makes a case against a villager and then is exposed as a wolf, it would be a waste.

What is extremely good, about the only thing that's really gone our way, in fact, is that the late votes last Night look just like a wicked wolvish conspiracy. It could be Days before the village gets that mess sorted out.

Back later (hopefully).

~Nerwolf.

Note that though we were talking about killing Shasta, we weren't thinking of him as a gifted candidate.

Oh, and I went into the next Day quite prepared to throw another of my poor little wolf-cubs to the lambs, or even be thrown myself. I had a nasty feeling Lottie wouldn't dream one of the obvious people.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-07 03:10
Title : FW: Pitch.

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Sorry to leave you alone all this time, Bes my internet died halfway through yesterDay. Not that it would have made any difference.

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Originally Posted by Bes

I hated voting for Pitch.

Well, you couldn't have done anything else.

But anyway, that's what I was afraid of, with Lottie. She just does her own thing...

Also, Roa suggests we kill Eomer or Lommy, and find a way to blame Wilwa. Would it be wrong of us to take her advice?

Well, no, she's out of the game and she didn't know anyone's role. Besides, I've been considering Eomer anyway.

Not Lommy, though. I think she'll make good lynch-bait... quite a few people think she's guilty, including Lottie.

~Nerwolf.[/QUOTE]

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-07 05:58
Title : ToNight and ToMorrow...
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Originally Posted by Bes

No worries about earlier. Power went out for about four hours here, and I've only just checked my PMs since. Shall we vote Eomer early then, to make sure it gets in?

Yes, I'll send it in now.

For toMorrow's strategy... well, hopefully we can get the villagers to kill each other for a few more Days. Try and not attract too much attention to yourself. You should be all right, but that comment you made when voting Pitch, about "trying to find a reason not to vote him" might get you in trouble. You'd better just explain you didn't trust Lottie, and hope the rest will be put down to newbie-ishness.

I might go after Sally a bit– she went down in the suspicion lists after Pitch'sexposure, but I bet she's creeping up again now.

We really need our luck to change, though.

~Nerwolf.

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From : Nerwen
To : Legate of Amon Lanc
Date : 2009-12-07 06:10
Title : Tonight's kill.
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Dear Legate,

We have decided to eat Eomer toNight. We have had enough of his ice-related puns, and wish to put our theory that he is del-ice-ious to the test.

Yours respectfully,

The Wolves.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-07 16:28
Title : Good luck for toMorrow!
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That's about all, really.

~Nerwolf.

Night 5
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From : Nerwen
To : Bes
Date : 2009-12-09 10:23
Title : RE: Also
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Originally Posted by Bes

Little time as I had for it before, I have less time for this game now, and I'm not enjoyying it much at this point. I sort of hope they lynch me tomorrow, selfish as that is.

Try and stay alive please, Bes. I've enjoyed playing with you.

However, if by any chance you do find yourself on the block, how about claiming to be a gifted? It might help me find the real ones.

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Originally Posted by Bes

Thoughts on who we should night kill? I'm tempted to say Lottie just because she and people close to her keep threatening 'The Wolves' with her as some kind of weapon, even though she's useless to them now...

On that note, it would at least be a way to find out if her reveal was real or not. I think it almost definitely was at this point, but it would lead to all sorts of chaos if she lied.

She got Pitch, remember? There's been only one innocent I've ever played with who told a direct lie about a Seer dream to get someone lynchedñ and it wasn't Lottie.

I want her to stay alive, for the present. All the people doubting her are making themselves look increasingly bad. I think toMorrow Night will be the time to kill herñ depending on what's happened during the Day, of course.

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Originally Posted by Bes

I was going to wait, but Roa has pointed something out to me that I think is relevant.

Boro and Mac really haven't interacted much. They're loud people that no one suspects, and much like I avoid interacting with you during the Day, they seem to do likewise.

I propose, for serious this time, that we take Mac (and if he's the hunter, maybe Sally by extension?) Out of the picture.

Mac + Lommy is also a possible pairing... but whatever. I agree, it's high time we killed him. I've thought him a likely gifted from the start and even if he's not, his death could make things interesting, and help narrow down the possibilities for who the gifteds are. (For instance, I doubt it's Mac + Brinn).

Unless one of us has a sudden inspiration in the next hour, I'll send his name in for the kill.

~Nerwolf.

I never did get around to asking what Bes meant about Sally– I think he hadn't read the rules about the Hunter properly.

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From : Nerwen
To : Bes, Legate of Amon Lanc
Date : 2009-12-09 12:31
Title : Tonight's kill.
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Dear Legate,

After having Inzil for a main course, A Little Green as greens and a del-ice-ious Eomer dessert, we wolves have had a sudden craving for fast food.

We'd like a Mac toNight.

Yours sincerely,

The Wolves.

Look, Pitch started the jokes, not me.

I'll post the rest later.

Pitchwife · 12-13-2009, 06:37 PM

*rises from the grave to light fireworks and open some bottles of champagne*

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

I don't think I saved the earlier Nights. I'll have a look.

Don't worry, I've saved everything up to the Night before my lynching and will post them in a quiet moment when we're all done celebrating or lamenting, respectively.

Hey Nerwen, congratulations on your victory! Morsul's vote was sheer luck, of course (and I wonder what he'll say when he's done kicking himself

), but you deserved it nevertheless - not the least for your patience in putting up with three first-time cubs. I really don't want to know how often during this game you wondered what the Angband we thought we were doing...

Which reminds me -

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

By the way, do you realise he started the "Mr Agreeable" thing? He said something on Day One about how "wolves often try to seem agreeable"...

I'm sure some people must have noticed it - that's why it was so much fun to point out and rub it in how perfectly the description fit my own behaviour (which of course I wasn't aware of when I said this, stupid me, but I naturally tend to be like this - reluctant to judge anybody rashly, always trying to see the other side, etc., unless I make a conscious effort or see something that really screams wolf to me; which made it quite difficult for me to be vicious with malice aforethought and make a convincing case against a known innocent - and made it much easier to go wolf-on-wolf when the occasion presented itself).

Bes, sorry again for turning against you about Lottie's reveal. You played the newbie card very well, and no small feat to survive so long. Being taken down by the Hunter on the Day before the last is quite an honourable death for a Werewolf, I think. May we meet again!

(À propos, Lottie - I didn't really mean to urge you to dream Bes, I just thought you were very likely to dream him anyway, so it couldn't hurt. Little did I know I was digging my own grave there

... As it turned out, I must plead guilty to having gravely underestimated you - a mistake I hopefully won't make again so soon. Great job there!)

Mnemo - thanks for your sacrifice, which I obviously profited from (honestly, I was quite surprised how the suspicion against me suddenly abated after our wolf-on-wolf act), but I'm really curious: were you actually planning to get lynched on Day 2/Day 1b, or what was that all about?

I'll get round to giving the innocents their due tomorrow, but now for some sleep.

Macalaure · 12-13-2009, 07:04 PM

I have to be more consequent with Nerwen - innocent-looking = evil, suspicious = innocent. I might have suspected Bes at some point, but you?

And I was so sure that Nogrod was the last wolf, certainly after he was the brain behind the Lottie lynch... I couldn't believe you people actually did that.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

However, I must confess I'd feel bad about killing Mac so early, when he hasn't played for a long time, and was killed on Night One in his last game (ahem! by me), so I'm currently looking at other prospects as well.

How sweet.

You guys really wanted to kill me all the time! I feel honoured.

Morsul the Dark · 12-13-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Morsul's vote was sheer luck, of course (and I wonder what he'll say when he's done kicking himself

),

I'd say "Lommy why were you so suspicious. And Nerwen why were you so charming. and to other innocents next time lynch me so I don't mess up!

"

Nerwen · 12-14-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Hey Nerwen, congratulations on your victory! Morsul's vote was sheer luck, of course (and I wonder what he'll say when he's done kicking himself

), but you deserved it nevertheless - not the least for your patience in putting up with three first-time cubs. I really don't want to know how often during this game you wondered what the Angband we thought we were doing...

Pitch, you darling adorwable fuzzy widdle wolfcubs did the number one thing I wanted, which was not to leave obvious trails to me or each other. From the start I'd pretty much counted on at least half the pack getting killed. You and Mnemo were, after all, in the uncomfortable position of being first-time wolves but fairly well-known players... and then it was such a large village, with a high-powered (not to mention psychic

) Hunter. And that was before I knew of Legate's first "twist" and the fact that there was a Seer of sorts after all.

I must say, Legate, this was not an easy set-up for us poor wolves!

satansaloser2005 · 12-13-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Ah, but I guessed that's what you were trying to make me think.

(Mind you, I had my heart in my mouth waiting for toDay's DL, I can tell you.)

Kudos to you and Shasta for hiding in plain sight so well. We all talked a lot about who the gifteds might be, but I don't think your names got mentioned except in passing.

Yes, well, when I ended up dead and found out it was you that didn't surprise me. I actually had thought, "You know, this will work on anyone left but Nerwen. I sure hope she's not the last one, or I'm in trouble."

Funnily enough, I protected Morsul.

And yes please on the PMs. Shasta and I did a lot of business by IM and even phone, so we can't share everything sadly.

12-13-2009, 04:25 PM	#1
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Notice - Whenever I'm a Gifted, the innocents lose, but I'm always successful in my Gift. (and no, Cobblerism doesn't count.) __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-13-2009, 04:45 PM	#6
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Meh, I'm not chagrined at you, Nerwen, not at all. You were just too good for me first and then used your opportunity smartly. I'm more chagrined at werewolf in general, a bit at myself and a bit at Morsul. But it will pass... don't worry. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris Last edited by Thinlómien; 12-13-2009 at 04:52 PM. Reason: bolding