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Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-07-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, why doesn't Eomer have a role? Legate, are you absent-minded or tricksy?

Well, both, but in this case more like the former. Sorry, corrected now.

satansaloser2005 · 12-07-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, both, but in this case more like the former. Sorry, corrected now.

Heh. Okay; I just didn't want to jump to conclusions if it was an ommission or let it slide if it wasn't, so I decided to ask.

Biggest. Headache. Ever. I'll be taking a nap after work and then I'll get back over here.

Boromir88 · 12-07-2009, 04:14 PM

[sarcasm] *shocked* [/sarcasm]

What's with the shock? Maybe he was looking slightly suspicious, but I doubt he was going to be a serious suspect for a while...with all the other suspicious looking people out here.

I'm kind of surprised it wasn't Lottie, but it's not all that surprising if she only gets one dream. The wolves are risking keeping a known innocent around, and trying to trick us into thinking she's a wolf, because she's not dead. Although, I'm not sure it's a good idea, because I'm not falling for it, as far as I'm concerned Lottie's a known innocent. If she only gets one dream, it looks like they will try to take out bigger threats.

I'm still feeling good about Nerwen, Mac, and Nog. I'm not sure about sally or Morsul. I need to take closer looks at Lommy, Brinn, and Bes (based on the Day Nienna was lynched - it might not have been the worst loss to suffer, but there was a lot of tricky looking behavior towards the DL) and Shasta + wilwa remain my top suspects.

Thinlómien · 12-07-2009, 04:30 PM

Yes, but some people are suspected even less...

like Bes or Nerwen...

or like you, Mac and Nogrod. I'm starting to think that you all (and me too) are still alive because one of us is a wolf.

That's kind of crappy news because I really don't suspect any of you. So either somebody's fooling me quite brilliantly (Nogrod?) or I am a wolf myself, no, not that but I had to leave it there because it was sort of the logical continuation of the sentence but definitely not what I'm thinking

or I'm getting paranoid (which is not good news either) either because the wolves are intending people to get paranoid because of the "veteran loudmouths" all surviving or because it's just random we're all alive.

So, what am I trying to say?

That I'm surprised Eomer died, because I would've assumed to find Bes, Nerwen or Mac to be found dead, or possibly Nog or Boro (or Sally actually) or even Loslote. Eomer is one of the ones who I thought is certainly not dying, I would've seen my own death as more probable than his (at least some people think I'm innocent while more or less everyone seems to be suspecting Eomer to some degree).

And that the slightly prolonged survival of all us "veteran loudmouths" makes me wonder if we others are alive mostly/partly for cover. That has happened many times before. I'm far from convinced that this is true, but it makes me more wary of my fellow "veteran loudmouths" ie Boro, Mac and Nog.

*is making process in learning to phrase things more clearly*

edit: xed with Nogrod

Thinlómien · 12-07-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

How come you say he was so much suspected Lommy? I have quite a different view of it.

I thought he was more or less on everybody's guilty list, although hardly ever the top suspect...? I can't recall anyone saying he's probably innocent, but I recall many people suspecting him at least a little.

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Originally Posted by Boro

I would also like to point out, before heading out to dinner, Greenie the day before, Eomer last night...looks like they're going for the ones who voted Mnemo twice. This leaves Lommy still alive, either the wolves have deemed you easier to turn suspicion against, you could be next, or you're a wolf trying to make yourself look better.

Interesting thoughts. I never thought of it that way. But I doubt I'm going to be next after you said that (...thanks?

). And I hardly need suspicion "turned" against me since already quite a few villagers suspect me - but if I'm right about what people said about Eomer yesterDay, it doesn't make much sense either. And if I was a wolf, I think that would be a rather stupid to make myself look better because reading your post it seems to make me look "worse" (at least from my own perspective, but I'm the only one who knows my role so maybe it affects other people differently, who knows).

Morsul the Dark · 12-07-2009, 05:05 PM

here and reading a lot to catch up on...

wilwarin538 · 12-07-2009, 05:18 PM

Eomer doesn't surprise me too much, I don't see him as having had that much suspicion, maybe more general but I don't think it was to the point where he was at much risk of being lynched. What Boro said about all those who voted twice for Mnemo being the kill choices makes sense. And what Lommy said about her suprise that Mac and Nog aren't dead yet, I see what you're saying, but perhaps this was on purpose? The wolves may just want us to think to ourselves "Wow, what kind of dumb wolves would keep those guys alive this long, they much be guilty", in order for us to waste our lynches on useful players. Though I'm not saying it's not possible they're guilty, just that it isn't really all that surprising that their still alive.

About Lottie, it does seem likely that she is indeed innocent, since she was right about Pitch and no one else has come forward about having the special role. BUT, there is still a chance that she is a sneaky wolf who gave up a fellow to make herself look good, and that the person who really does have the secret role either won't reveal because their gift has not come into effect yet, or they can't reveal, or they're dead and there role just wasn't revealed. So there are a large number of possibilities, and not all of them point towards her innocence. Therefore we should eventually lynch her if a few days go by with no success, just on the chance that she wasn't being all that truthful.

Sorry about my disappearing act yesterday, computer issues made it tough for me to come on. I should be around far more toDay, in between study times.

x'ed with Nog

Nogrod · 12-07-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

the slightly prolonged survival of all us "veteran loudmouths" makes me wonder if we others are alive mostly/partly for cover. That has happened many times before. I'm far from convinced that this is true, but it makes me more wary of my fellow "veteran loudmouths" ie Boro, Mac and Nog.

I have been thinking about the same... although I might add Nerwen to the pile...

I try to go to sleep a bit earlier today as I'm in Bronchitis - but as a result of that I'm having a day off from work tomorrow and might use some of the time to actually read and post here more (sadly I have to read a bunch of exams as well even if I have a sick-leave).

I'll stick around a while though if I can come up with any good idea where to look at before going to sleep.

Nogrod · 12-07-2009, 04:21 PM

Actually I was not that surprised... At least I can't right now remember anyone suspecting him heavily yesterDay - did someone even mention him?

How come you say he was so much suspected Lommy? I have quite a different view of it.

But be what it may, yesterDay's voting probably is kind of a store of mainly futile information.

So what do we say of Lottie? As I said yesterDay the wolves will not kill her so it's up to us to decide (sorry Sally, I saw you hinting at me giving the wolves info late yesterDay but really they would see it anyway - and if I was a wolf I would have rather told them that during the Night and not talk of it in open - which I thought I should do as I couldn't know whether I was alive toDay or not).

Well, she gave us a wolf and I would say we should search for the remaining two elsewhere for a Day or two... but if we don't get them we should lynch her before the numbers start evening out. Just to be on the safe side.

Okay. The good news: the deaths are 6:2 (of which two are resignments, so actually 4:2 gamingwise) but we're having still 10:2. Pretty good ratios, I'd say. Juts keeping with this ratio we win. And even if we had help there looking back we now have all the material to read to guide us further.

Boromir88 · 12-07-2009, 04:31 PM

I would also like to point out, before heading out to dinner, Greenie the day before, Eomer last night...looks like they're going for the ones who voted Mnemo twice. This leaves Lommy still alive, either the wolves have deemed you easier to turn suspicion against, you could be next, or you're a wolf trying to make yourself look better.

12-07-2009, 04:14 PM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	[sarcasm] shocked [/sarcasm] What's with the shock? Maybe he was looking slightly suspicious, but I doubt he was going to be a serious suspect for a while...with all the other suspicious looking people out here. I'm kind of surprised it wasn't Lottie, but it's not all that surprising if she only gets one dream. The wolves are risking keeping a known innocent around, and trying to trick us into thinking she's a wolf, because she's not dead. Although, I'm not sure it's a good idea, because I'm not falling for it, as far as I'm concerned Lottie's a known innocent. If she only gets one dream, it looks like they will try to take out bigger threats. I'm still feeling good about Nerwen, Mac, and Nog. I'm not sure about sally or Morsul. I need to take closer looks at Lommy, Brinn, and Bes (based on the Day Nienna was lynched - it might not have been the worst loss to suffer, but there was a lot of tricky looking behavior towards the DL) and Shasta + wilwa remain my top suspects. __________________ Fenris Penguin

12-07-2009, 04:30 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Yes, but some people are suspected even less... like Bes or Nerwen... or like you, Mac and Nogrod. I'm starting to think that you all (and me too) are still alive because one of us is a wolf. That's kind of crappy news because I really don't suspect any of you. So either somebody's fooling me quite brilliantly (Nogrod?) or I am a wolf myself, no, not that but I had to leave it there because it was sort of the logical continuation of the sentence but definitely not what I'm thinking or I'm getting paranoid (which is not good news either) either because the wolves are intending people to get paranoid because of the "veteran loudmouths" all surviving or because it's just random we're all alive. So, what am I trying to say? That I'm surprised Eomer died, because I would've assumed to find Bes, Nerwen or Mac to be found dead, or possibly Nog or Boro (or Sally actually) or even Loslote. Eomer is one of the ones who I thought is certainly not dying, I would've seen my own death as more probable than his (at least some people think I'm innocent while more or less everyone seems to be suspecting Eomer to some degree). And that the slightly prolonged survival of all us "veteran loudmouths" makes me wonder if we others are alive mostly/partly for cover. That has happened many times before. I'm far from convinced that this is true, but it makes me more wary of my fellow "veteran loudmouths" ie Boro, Mac and Nog. is making process in learning to phrase things more clearly edit: xed with Nogrod __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-07-2009, 05:05 PM	#6
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	here and reading a lot to catch up on... __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

12-07-2009, 05:18 PM	#7
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Eomer doesn't surprise me too much, I don't see him as having had that much suspicion, maybe more general but I don't think it was to the point where he was at much risk of being lynched. What Boro said about all those who voted twice for Mnemo being the kill choices makes sense. And what Lommy said about her suprise that Mac and Nog aren't dead yet, I see what you're saying, but perhaps this was on purpose? The wolves may just want us to think to ourselves "Wow, what kind of dumb wolves would keep those guys alive this long, they much be guilty", in order for us to waste our lynches on useful players. Though I'm not saying it's not possible they're guilty, just that it isn't really all that surprising that their still alive. About Lottie, it does seem likely that she is indeed innocent, since she was right about Pitch and no one else has come forward about having the special role. BUT, there is still a chance that she is a sneaky wolf who gave up a fellow to make herself look good, and that the person who really does have the secret role either won't reveal because their gift has not come into effect yet, or they can't reveal, or they're dead and there role just wasn't revealed. So there are a large number of possibilities, and not all of them point towards her innocence. Therefore we should eventually lynch her if a few days go by with no success, just on the chance that she wasn't being all that truthful. Sorry about my disappearing act yesterday, computer issues made it tough for me to come on. I should be around far more toDay, in between study times. x'ed with Nog __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

12-07-2009, 04:21 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Actually I was not that surprised... At least I can't right now remember anyone suspecting him heavily yesterDay - did someone even mention him? How come you say he was so much suspected Lommy? I have quite a different view of it. But be what it may, yesterDay's voting probably is kind of a store of mainly futile information. So what do we say of Lottie? As I said yesterDay the wolves will not kill her so it's up to us to decide (sorry Sally, I saw you hinting at me giving the wolves info late yesterDay but really they would see it anyway - and if I was a wolf I would have rather told them that during the Night and not talk of it in open - which I thought I should do as I couldn't know whether I was alive toDay or not). Well, she gave us a wolf and I would say we should search for the remaining two elsewhere for a Day or two... but if we don't get them we should lynch her before the numbers start evening out. Just to be on the safe side. Okay. The good news: the deaths are 6:2 (of which two are resignments, so actually 4:2 gamingwise) but we're having still 10:2. Pretty good ratios, I'd say. Juts keeping with this ratio we win. And even if we had help there looking back we now have all the material to read to guide us further. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-07-2009, 04:31 PM	#10
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I would also like to point out, before heading out to dinner, Greenie the day before, Eomer last night...looks like they're going for the ones who voted Mnemo twice. This leaves Lommy still alive, either the wolves have deemed you easier to turn suspicion against, you could be next, or you're a wolf trying to make yourself look better. __________________ Fenris Penguin