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Galin · 12-06-2009, 06:34 PM

Good quote and point Inziladun.

I also have found another problem with the (my 'possible') Nenya theory:

Haldir says: '... and here is the mound of Amroth, where in happier days his high house was built.' An older conception might lie behind this line as well, but in a later note published in The History of Galadriel and Celeborn chapter (Unfinished Tales), it is said: '... for Lorien after the end of the first millennium of the Third Age became a land of uneasy vigilance, and Amroth must have dwelt in growing disquiet ever since Dol Guldur was established in Mirkwood.' And that Amroth's flet on the hill of Cerin Amroth: '... was principally designed to watch Dol Guldur across the Anduin.'

My guess at 'happier days' for Amroth would have been the years before the Shadow arose. Granted it is only happy-er but still, according to the text titled Amroth and Nimrodel: 'His land had peace for many years after the defeat of Sauron. Though Sindarin in descent he lived after the manner of the Silvan Elves and housed in tall trees of a great green mound, ever after called Cerin Amroth. This he did because of his love for Nimrodel. For long years he had loved her...'

This is arguably 'better' I think (to some degree!) with respect to agreeing with The Lord of the Rings.

If I adjust my chronology along these lines however, I think I will have trouble with Galadriel using Nenya to aid with the introduction of the mallorns in Lorien, because the suggestion within the later notes found in Unfinished Tales is that her first visit to Lorien in the Third Age (when Nenya could be employed) was roughly about the time of the growing shadow of Mirkwood (TA 1050 a shadow falls on Greenwood) and the matter of Dol Guldur (in c. TA 1100 the Wise discovered that an evil power had made a stronghold in Dol Guldur).

But anyway, as I say, good point!

12-06-2009, 06:34 PM	#19
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	Good quote and point Inziladun. I also have found another problem with the (my 'possible') Nenya theory: Haldir says: '... and here is the mound of Amroth, where in happier days his high house was built.' An older conception might lie behind this line as well, but in a later note published in The History of Galadriel and Celeborn chapter (Unfinished Tales), it is said: '... for Lorien after the end of the first millennium of the Third Age became a land of uneasy vigilance, and Amroth must have dwelt in growing disquiet ever since Dol Guldur was established in Mirkwood.' And that Amroth's flet on the hill of Cerin Amroth: '... was principally designed to watch Dol Guldur across the Anduin.' My guess at 'happier days' for Amroth would have been the years before the Shadow arose. Granted it is only happy-er but still, according to the text titled Amroth and Nimrodel: 'His land had peace for many years after the defeat of Sauron. Though Sindarin in descent he lived after the manner of the Silvan Elves and housed in tall trees of a great green mound, ever after called Cerin Amroth. This he did because of his love for Nimrodel. For long years he had loved her...' This is arguably 'better' I think (to some degree!) with respect to agreeing with The Lord of the Rings. If I adjust my chronology along these lines however, I think I will have trouble with Galadriel using Nenya to aid with the introduction of the mallorns in Lorien, because the suggestion within the later notes found in Unfinished Tales is that her first visit to Lorien in the Third Age (when Nenya could be employed) was roughly about the time of the growing shadow of Mirkwood (TA 1050 a shadow falls on Greenwood) and the matter of Dol Guldur (in c. TA 1100 the Wise discovered that an evil power had made a stronghold in Dol Guldur). But anyway, as I say, good point!