Nenya or the Elessar? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gorthaur the Cruel · 11-24-2009, 01:31 PM

So we can agree that the Elessar merely healed, but did not have the power to perpetually rejuvenate and halt decay within several miles like Nenya. It seems to me that Celebrimbor learnt from his shortcomings with the Elessar (no power to hold back time) and combined this lore with what he knew of Sauron's to perfect the Three, though Nenya truly does stand (compared to Narya and Vilya) out in this area. One could view the Elessar as an "essay" before the Three.

Now there's been some posters on here that accuse Galadriel of flagrantly using Nenya in a hubristic attempt to replicate Valinor and its timelessness. Do y'all agree? Granted, she did come from the Blessed Realm, but can we not account for this as a natural characteristic of her ring, Nenya? It is the "Chief" of the Three. Not to mention Celebrimbor picking it for her... specifically her. There must be a purpose for it. Or is it simply a reflection of each of the bearers innate powers? For example, I disagree that Elrond uses Vilya conservatively. To me, he uses Vilya just as he should within the measure of his innate strength.

Alrigght, sorry for getting off-topic. So then if the Elessar was made in Gondolin, then it must be responsible for the growth of Mallorn in Gondolin, right? I'm not sure where i read it, but there was a mention of mallorns flourishing within Gondolin.

One other thing, it seems that the Silmaril has this rejuvenating power as well. Was it really the Elessar at work in the havens of Sirion, or was it the Silmaril?

And why does Treebeard say this: "Those were the broad days! Time was when I could walk and sing all day and hear no more than the echo of my own voice in the hollow hills. The woods were like the woods of Lothlorien, only thicker, stronger, younger. And the smell of the air! I used to spend a week just breathing."

Thicker, stronger, and younger? Lorien was the fairest place in ME. What is he talking about? His forest doesn't even have mallorns and mallorns are the mightiest trees.

11-24-2009, 01:31 PM	#15
Gorthaur the Cruel Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mordor Posts: 150	So we can agree that the Elessar merely healed, but did not have the power to perpetually rejuvenate and halt decay within several miles like Nenya. It seems to me that Celebrimbor learnt from his shortcomings with the Elessar (no power to hold back time) and combined this lore with what he knew of Sauron's to perfect the Three, though Nenya truly does stand (compared to Narya and Vilya) out in this area. One could view the Elessar as an "essay" before the Three. Now there's been some posters on here that accuse Galadriel of flagrantly using Nenya in a hubristic attempt to replicate Valinor and its timelessness. Do y'all agree? Granted, she did come from the Blessed Realm, but can we not account for this as a natural characteristic of her ring, Nenya? It is the "Chief" of the Three. Not to mention Celebrimbor picking it for her... specifically her. There must be a purpose for it. Or is it simply a reflection of each of the bearers innate powers? For example, I disagree that Elrond uses Vilya conservatively. To me, he uses Vilya just as he should within the measure of his innate strength. Alrigght, sorry for getting off-topic. So then if the Elessar was made in Gondolin, then it must be responsible for the growth of Mallorn in Gondolin, right? I'm not sure where i read it, but there was a mention of mallorns flourishing within Gondolin. One other thing, it seems that the Silmaril has this rejuvenating power as well. Was it really the Elessar at work in the havens of Sirion, or was it the Silmaril? And why does Treebeard say this: "Those were the broad days! Time was when I could walk and sing all day and hear no more than the echo of my own voice in the hollow hills. The woods were like the woods of Lothlorien, only thicker, stronger, younger. And the smell of the air! I used to spend a week just breathing." Thicker, stronger, and younger? Lorien was the fairest place in ME. What is he talking about? His forest doesn't even have mallorns and mallorns are the mightiest trees. __________________ I am Annatar, the Lord of Gifts. Last edited by Gorthaur the Cruel; 11-24-2009 at 02:26 PM.