TIG LXIX: Meeting at the House of Usher - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-08-2009, 11:06 PM

So.

How 'bout that Night discussion?

I bet it was riveting.

Mirandir · 11-08-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So.

How 'bout that Night discussion?

I bet it was riveting.

*chokes on water* Fea, I love you.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-08-2009, 11:11 PM

Now, now, Mira, there are better things to be choking on at 12:11 AM. Don't hurt yourself.

Mirandir · 11-08-2009, 11:16 PM

Not so much when I'm at work, unfortunately. People need to be around to amuse me. Kthx.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-09-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So.

How 'bout that Night discussion?

I bet it was riveting.

Isn’t she just adorable.

So, matters remain in the balance and we remain neutral (though open to offers). It's a shame really, as yesterDay’s voting record is a real juicy one, just ripe for analysis.

Here it is anyway, as it is traditional for me to post it:

Roa -> Nerwen (Nerwen - 1)
Roa -- Nerwen -> Fea (Fea - 1)
Loslote -> McCaber (Fea - 1, McCaber - 1)
Nogrod -> McCaber (Fea - 1, McCaber - 2)
SPM -> Roa (Fea - 1, McCaber - 2, Roa - 1)
Sally -> Roa (Fea - 1, McCaber - 2, Roa - 2)
Inzil -> McCaber (Fea - 1, McCaber - 3, Roa - 2)
Nerwen -> McCaber (Fea - 1, McCaber - 4, Roa - 2)
Brinn -> McCaber (Fea - 1, McCaber - 5, Roa - 2)
Fea -> Roa (Fea - 1, McCaber - 5, Roa - 3)

Did not vote: Pitch, McCaber

Make of it what you will.

Edit: I left my beloved off the voting record. How could I forget her!

Nerwen · 11-09-2009, 05:02 AM

Thanks for the list, SPM.

Now, I said yesterDay evening that Roa and Sally were unlikely to both be wolves, but that was silly. At the time Sally voted, only Fea, Roa and McWolfer had votes and it was only five minutes to DL. So if she's a wolf and Roa and McCaber her packmates, she'd have known one of them was going down whatever she did.

This is not an accusation– I'm merely saying there's no particular reason Sally's vote on Roa couldn't have been wolf-on-wolf.

Nerwen · 11-09-2009, 05:22 AM

Well, then. From my point of view, three of these people must be wolves:

Roa
Loslote
Nogrod
Sally
Inzil
Brinn

Which means that at least one wolf has a.) managed to attract little or no suspicion and b.) helped lynch McWolfer. And for it to be only one, Roa and Sally would have to be the other two.

If it's neither of them, the pack would have to include three out of the group of Loslote, Nogrod Brinn and Inzil. (It must include at least one of them.)

Inziladun · 11-09-2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, then. From my point of view, three of these people must be wolves:

Roa
Loslote
Nogrod
Sally
Inzil
Brinn

Which means that at least one wolf has a.) managed to attract little or no suspicion and b.) helped lynch McWolfer. And for it to be only one, Roa and Sally would have to be the other two.

I think Sally is almost certainly a wolf, and I intend for her to be my vote toDay.
Submarine+Dodgy Voting= Evil (it did in McCaber's case!)

Now, the others. I'm going almost entirely on memory here, because I haven't the time to do otherwise just now.

Roa: Well....

Early spat with SPM (who's presumed innocent now, but we can't assume he's been playing with our best interests in mind); Voted for SPM on Day 1, Greenie on Day 2, and Fea Day 3. I need to look at her more closely, but I don't see why should couldn't be a wolf.

Nog: The thing that jumps out about him is that he's been after McCaber from the start. Sure, it could have been wolf on wolf, but didn't he vote for McCaber fairly early on during Day 1, when several still had to vote?

Lottie: I've suspected her off and on, mostly because of her Day 1 vote, which came late, against Morsul. I've caught her in at least one slip, but she's given a plausible explanation. She was, I think, the first vote for McCaber on Day 2. Granted, he wasn't really a serious candidate at that point.

Brinn: she's one I haven't looked at much, and it's high time to do so. I think she also voted for McCaber at least once before yesterDay, on Day 2 after Lottie.

Nerwen: another who's mostly slipped by me.

LIke I said, I think I'm voting Sally toDay, but Brinn and Nerwen need analyzing.

Roa_Aoife · 11-09-2009, 06:45 AM

Nerwen, McCaber had no votes at the time I voted, and while some people had expressed suspicion towards him, others had expressed suspicion towards Loslote, and there were some other suspicions around as well.

McCaber to me looked to be an east target for the wolves to lynch, and I was under the impression of extreme busyness on his end. One of the points against him was that he said he would be around and then wasn't, but on Day 1 the same thing happened and on Day 2 he said it was because his internet gave out. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, which is why I imagine everyone ignored Pitch as a possible suspect as well.

I picked you off the list because no one has actually looked at you yet. I was hoping in the hours after my departure someone would, but no one did, and while we caught one wolf the others could have easily hidden in the bandwagon, making the votes useless.

And did you think Nerwen, that perhaps those who voted for me were trying to save McCaber, since I was the easiest replacement lynch at the time, and wasn't around to defend myself after all the suspicion started to accrue? Or were you hoping that that idea wouldn't come up? Afterall, if it had succeeded, we would have 4 wolves and 6 innocents, 2 of which were the lovers who have the possibility of working with the wolves. And we would have had to lynch a wolf or lose. ToDay could have been the last Day, if McCaber hadn't been lynched.

And at the time, I was mad enough to hope that Fea got lynched just so the lovers would lose after having been so difficult. Rational? No, but I'm not Spock- I get angry. (Actually, so does Spock, so scratch that.)

I may or may not be on in a few hours. I will vote sometime before DL, though I can't promise when. Maybe I won't have to vote first this time with no suspects, though right now I don't like the way Sally, jumped so easily onto the suspicion against me.

(And Nerwen, I have never in WW history, tried to save a fellow wolf. Ask anyone who's ever been a wolf with me. I will sacrifice my fellows in a heartbeat. So I would never have tried to save
McCaber had I bee his packmate.)

edit: crossed with Inzil

satansaloser2005 · 11-09-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I think Sally is almost certainly a wolf, and I intend for her to be my vote toDay.
Submarine+Dodgy Voting= Evil (it did in McCaber's case!)

Ill+working 60 hours a week=evil. Yes, that makes sense. I admire your intuition, Dun. (Yes, that's sarcasm, you numpkins.

)

Anyway, I still think Roa evil but I can also understand her getting upset (and thus acting suspicious just out of frustration), so I'll definitely take a look at a couple other people toDay when I get a chance.

Maths. There's eight of us and three wolves. We were very fortunate to get the McCobblerWolf but we still can't mess up toDay, so let's save our energy for important discussions and not waste it on babble, okay?

satansaloser2005 · 11-09-2009, 07:22 AM

By the way, kudos for still being alive. Haven't done anything of note yet, but we're still counting on you, so keep doing what you're doing and then some!

[/random words of encouragement and yay]

And now off to work with me. Sorry, but I can guarantee I'll be busy again for a while. Back when I can.

Nerwen · 11-09-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

And did you think Nerwen, that perhaps those who voted for me were trying to save McCaber, since I was the easiest replacement lynch at the time, and wasn't around to defend myself after all the suspicion started to accrue?

Of course it occurred to me. That's one of the reasons I suspect Sally. What I was saying before is that, contrary to what I said last Night, there's no reason you couldn't be in it together. A Wolfisaloser (if such she is) could have been voting an innocent Roa to try and save McWolfer. Or she could have been voting a packmate to look good. I don't know which of these is true; perhaps they're both wrong and she's innocent. I'm just trying to sort out the possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Or were you hoping that that idea wouldn't come up?

I though that it was implicit in my comment yesterDay at #390.

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If he's a wolf, either Sally or Roa might well be another, but not, from the look of things, both.

i.e. My initial reaction was, "Hey, what if Sally is a wolf and she's voting innocent Roa to try and save McCaber?

So, Roa, why am I supposed to be "hoping the idea won't come up?" Is this a roundabout way of accusing me, or what?

And do you really think that Wolf-me would take part in a fiendish plot that– as far as I can work out– depends on no-one suspecting the wolves of doing the most obvious thing possible? Really?

EDIT:X'd with two Sallys.

Nogrod · 11-09-2009, 08:49 AM

Okay. Finally one of the wolves lynched.

But that's about the only good news then...

Let's start with the begging time then as I can see that as our only possibility.

Our lives are in your hands, oh deeply respected lovers. *bows deep*

We know you fine and gracious lovers could call this game off already by making a voting-alliance with the wolves. But would you wish the game to end that unsportily? I'm appealing to the "player" in you, to your inner detective wishing and willing to try and solve a mystery - to test and show your skills (with no risk whatsoever to you) - and well, play the game as you now have a chance to do it without pressure!

Couldn't your magnificient and beautiful persons come down from your heights and like take sides just for toDay to begin with and help us picking a wolf from there to make things a bit more even? At least you could promise us an equal playing field so that you would not rally around the wolves toDay - or vote randomly to whomever annoys you the most on grounds relating to peoples' stances on your roles? Otherwise it's just meaningless even to try anything toDay.

So please...

Inziladun · 11-09-2009, 10:43 AM

Some Sally-nalysis: (many emoticons omitted at forum software's insistance)

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