Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

PS. Thanks to whoever it was that repped me forty minutes ago for my latest post for Cnebba and didn't sign it.

Sorry! I always forget that. *facepalms*

[Folwren]

Whooops. I did go through the motions of attaching it, but I guess the computer didn't recognize it.

Let's try again....but I think I see what you mean about the guardroom's situation. I'll attach the latest map and then work on the map some more and attach another one...

[Nienna]

I think we are ready for Javan now Foley. If there is anything that you want me to add that might make his entrance easier let me know.

Lommy if I misrepresented Cnebba please let me know and I can edit.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Foley: I'll get on that once I catch up. Also, tiny nitpick: you forgot the 'r' in armory on the map.

[Nienna]

*Gasp* Foley! That post was brilliant. I can't wait to write a response. It is a bit late now though so it will probably be tomorrow.

[Folwren]

Thanks, Fea. Paint doesn't have spell checker, that I know of.

Nogrod, let me know what you think of this new plan.

As it turns out, we have an extra room that is very large. It's way up in the back, right hand corner of hall. I was considering putting in a room where Modtryth, Stigend and Cnebba could be together as a family, but there was no convenient place to put them. Let me know ideas on that...

Guard room and Armory at the front of the building. Guardroom a little too small for my liking...unless we decide to put all the men who aren't strictly guards back in that back room.

I put the kitchen ladies across the hall from the kitchen. I may have made a mistake to make two rooms for the women. I'm really not sure how many of us there are.

Nienna, I almost cross posted with you, but not quite. I'm glad you like the post. I am looking forward with GREAT anticipation to your response. Unfortunately, I will be away most of tomorrow and may not get a chance to post until Sunday. If I don't post by noon tomorrow (which is about twelve hours from when I will be posting this post) then assume I won't be on again until Sunday afternoon. And in which case, why don't you, Nienna, go ahead and heat the argument all the way up to whatever point you wish. Have Javan say or do whatever strikes your fancy. Then when I get on, if it's not fiery enough, I'll fix it.

K....I think that's it. Once again, let me know your thoughts, everyone.

EDIT: The map says that the outer side wall is only 60 feet long. That is a lie...I added twelve feet to it when I put in the guardroom and armoury and moved the kitchen up. So, the dimensions for the building are now 90 by 72. Plus twelve more where the kitchen sticks out a little.

[Nogrod]

I'm in a hurry right now and will comment on things later today. But here's a draft of Mid Emnet.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Opening the can of worms again.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Guard room and Armory at the front of the building. Guardroom a little too small for my liking...unless we decide to put all the men who aren't strictly guards back in that back room.

I need to get this settled probably now. So, which one of the maps are we going to use? Because if it is the last one (presented in the post I am quoting) and the guardroom is in the main building, it is preeeeeetty small! I mean, in that case, it would be just guardroom for, like, some eight people sleeping there at most, or something like that. And I was just writing my post for Hilderinc and I accidentally used one of the former maps, where the room was much bigger and next to the kitchens... thus Hilderinc's thoughts about it were good... then I saw this and figured that in that case, I would need to reconsider. In that case, his reactions would be preeetty negative (Which is maybe in our intention? ) So, anyway, I do not have time to finish my post now, but when I will be back home in the evening, some six hours from now or a bit more, then I would like to post (well, of course I can still edit it later if we decide otherwise... but since the looks of the barracks are probably going to influence Hilderinc's mood, I think it's time to settle it now).

So, meanwhile, if there is anything yet to add or alter about the Mead Hall's appearance, or mainly, about the soldiers' "housing place", let's talk about it... also, where are the men of the Mead Hall living now (i.e. the locals)? Are some soldiers now in the barracks, and some of them are going to move out, or will some of them stay and squeeze in with a few of the new soldiers, while others will be... where? Where do the men sleep? And where will the rest of Athanar's soldiers sleep? It is obvious that not all soldiers, let alone all men in the Mead Hall can sleep in the same small room. (Personally, I had nothing against the original placing of the barracks against the kitchen, as it would be at least partially heated from the kitchen, if there is a fireplace built in the neighbouring wall.)

[Folwren]

K, good. Thanks for your comments. It answers some questions I had earlier.

The main thing is, before everyone from Edoras came, the guardroom would have been big enough for Eodwine's current men at arms. And right now, all they were doing were building things that would currently house people. Future barracks were perhaps being built.

25ft by 12ft would be able to house more than 8 people. They would have to use stacked beds (bunk beds), but you can fit a lot of people into a fairly small space. I'm trying to think....at the summer camp where I work, the staff housing is consists of two rooms about 20 ft by 10 ft (not including the sinks, toilet, and shower). They got four bunk-beds in a room, plus, on days that there were a lot of us, we would put up two additional cots. Now, this being kind of my basis, there are a few things we might address:
Would there be any such thing as a bunk-bed in Rohan?
Would the beds be as wide as the smallest size of beds we have now? I kind of think they would have narrower beds.
Even if the beds were narrower and were stacked, where would their stuff be kept?

All that being said, a 25 by 12 foot room is not big enough for all the men we have now...

So, I'm going to say, let's put as many men as we can into the room that is beside the Master Bedroom in the map, up at the end of the building. Here, I'll attach the document again with the word's written in.

This doesn't solve our problem of a small guardsroom. It may be that later we build an entirely separate barracks and give them a small fireplace or stove for themselves. I think one reason I liked the guardroom being in the building itself is that they would be there immediately, all the time. If we build a seperate barracks, then some of the guards should be at the guardroom at all times, just in case.

Thoughts? Comments?

EDIT: Upon reading Mnemosyne's post, my thoughts was: "Okay, here we go. Out of the frying pan into the fire."