Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[Brinniel]

I really shouldn't be posting now as I've been awake since 6am and could use some sleep. But I'm fed up enough by Loslote's twisted analysis of me, I feel I should say something now.

First off, I'm rather irritated in hearing her say I haven't contributed much of anything. No, I haven't been as loud as some players, but I've most certainly done more than just banter and complain. I've done as much contribution as RL will allow (which is in fact more than last game), and I find it frustrating that Loslote has the balls to say I haven't contributed at all before actually reading through my posts and realising I actually have. But that analysis post isn't much better. I read what she had to say about me, then looked back at my own posts and she's definitely twisting my words, whether she means to or not.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Post 1: Paranoid, suspects everyone.

You do know this was a banter post, right? And I don't see the harm in some bantering so long as it doesn't continue for several more posts. Actually, that post wasn't completely pointless. I sort of picked up on some comments that had been said (both on Day 1 of this game and also previous games) that I generally found to make the village sound a bit paranoid, and from there I created my own exaggerated, comedic spin on it. And hey, I had fun with it. I didn't think people would really believe I was that paranoid.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Post 2: Doesn't suspect SPAM, dislikes meta-game reasoning, doesn't like random voting.

I don't know what you're reading but I never said I didn't suspect Spm. I was merely stating that I don't think anyone should suspect him for meta-reasons. But at that time, it was still too early for me to think anything of him.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Post 4: Believes Pitchie but doesn't think he should have revealed; is sad to see SPAM go.

The way you highlight "is sad to see SPAM go" looks like you're trying to indicate that I looked like a wolf sad to see my mate go. When in reality I said I was sad to see him go purely for meta-reasons. I even said in the admin thread that one of the reasons I joined the game was because I was excited to see a veteran player like Spm playing again.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Post 9: is wary of Legate but not suspicious; wants to trust Roa but fears she is being fooled; doubts SPAM would try to lynch me if I were a wolf; doesn't particularly suspect Inzil; doesn't really have an opinion about Kitanna.

As you summarise my opinion of Inzil, you leave out some important information. I said while I don't particularly suspect him yet, I do want to keep a closer eye on him. Which indicates I was already worried about him at the time, but not enough to call him a suspect.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Post 10: Says the rangers may be bluffing, but doesn't think so; is uneasy about wilwa; agrees with Legate that Inzil wouldn't have agreed to Pitchie's not being a wolf, but then suspects him for saying he was innocent; finds Inzil 'creepy'.

Pitch already sort of went over this, but I think you may be misinterpreting what I said because you seem to indicate that in my comment I was saying that I thought Inzil sounded innocent in one part of his quote, but suspicious at the end of it. Which is not true. I suggest you go back and read my comment again because there was no part of it that was contradicting.

Roa did state that I took that quote out of context and suspecting him for that was in bad taste. I did pick up that quote after seeing Legate comment on it, and maybe that was an error on my part. I wasn't being careful about that sort of thing, and I admit a lot of that's simply due to the lack of time I have to thoroughly reread posts.

I really don't know what to think of all this. Is Loslote intentionally twisting my words, or is she just misinterpreting what I've said without meaning to? Hopefully I'll make better sense of this after some sleep and closer to deadline.

And might I add as a general statement, I'm quite glad I didn't vote either Nienna or Nog. The Nienna bandwagon looked very bad and I liked it even less that she wasn't around to defend herself. Yet, I wasn't sure enough about her innocence to save her and condemn Nogrod, who I was still unsure about, though slightly leaning towards innocent. If someone finds my vote for Inzil suspicious, then fine. But I don't think that it should be suspicious that I didn't vote for one of the top candidates. If I'm not comfortable voting either of them, why should I?

I like Roa's analysis of me much better and she summarises my quotes more accurately and doesn't twist my words. But I will comment on the time stamp issue so to clarify things. Just so you know, I'm typically a very slow poster (I think I already spent 30+ minutes on this one) and writer in general, which is something I've always found frustrating. It probably has to do with my perfectionist nature and it means I take twice as long as anyone else to do an analysis. Of course this means sometimes I have a delayed response to things, but I promise it has nothing to do with role. I think in the case of Pitch's reveal, he revealed around the same time I started to post. When I hit preview, I saw his post but I didn't want to have to rewrite the entire post I just did, so I just submitted what I had and decided to give my response to his reveal in the following post. In the past, I have edited my post in preview mode as new posts come in but then I find myself spending twice as long composing the post just so it stays up-to-date. But especially when it's closer to deadline, I sometimes just can't keep up with the floods of posts that are coming in.

Gah, now it's really really late and I probably will not be able to contribute much in the morning. Hopefully I won't oversleep and miss deadline (though what I'm even more concerned about is how I'm going to make it to the lab at a decent hour to finish schoolwork ). I am so lacking sleep now, so I do apologise in advance if I do happen to misinterpret anything myself in this post.

[Craydon1]

Well, while I haven't posted today due to doing a lot of stuff, I have had a chance to read most of the post. I've come to the conclusion that since most people consider me a "submarine" (which I find funny) the wolfs will probably come after me soon. So, with that in mind, who am I looking at? Well I personally think Hakon is a wolf since at the time he popped up and said, "Hi, I"m the priest" it was completely unneeded. So that leaves one more puppy hiding about.

Well I'm eliminating Brin based on a little study of human emotions. She got borderline ticked (or at least fooled me) in response to post about her. Heated emotions are a bad thing for someone that's trying to not draw attention to themselves.

I'm actually noticing that other than Nog(who seems to want to rip her throat out with his very non-wolf teeth), no one is analyzing Roa. I'm actually wandering what she would say if she did a analysis of herself? So I'm keeping my eye on her, but not voting for her. I also don't like how Los seems to eagerly agree with everything she says. Now this actually makes him a little creepier than her, because while they can't both be fuzzys lots of people seem to like Roa's analysis. So by vocally backing the person people like, than he can't possibly be a wolf, right?

So the person I'm currently the most focused on is probably Inzil. It would seem to me that he pops up to give mostly empty post that are worded in a manner that comes off as supportive, but not. I really can't tell who he actually supports and who he's truly going after and that sort of person is going to either be 1) a wolf or 2) soon to be eaten by a wolf.

Now I know this is my only post today, and by most of your standards I'm not active enough, but frankly I find a lot of everyone's post without meaning and not very thought out. As for the analysis, they seem to be very redundant. If you agree with the previous novel long post, just say "ditto" and move on. Maybe make a few changes when you disagree with something. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and while this is the first time playing with you good folks (and don't get me wrong, this is fun) I've played the card game for years. I guess I just follow
the philosophy of just saying something when it is a honest contribution. So before you guys start saying this makes me look somehow wolfish, you should know that....tada, I'm the Changed. Which is also why I've been silent among the priest cluster.

So.... ++Inzil.

Goes to sleep after a 21 hour day waiting for someone to say I'm telling a lie, and they are the real Changed.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I really don't know what to think of all this. Is Loslote intentionally twisting my words, or is she just misinterpreting what I've said without meaning to?

Indeed. Lottie, you never said why you found Brinn suspicious "after looking through her posts". If this is simply due to things that sound suspicious in your version ("Paranoid, suspects everyone" "is sad to see SPAM go" etc.) then you're doing something pretty questionable, since you must know the original context.

If it's something else you've seen in Brinn's posts, you'll have to explain it, because it's anything but self-evident.

EDIT:X'd with Crayon.

[Nerwen]

Oh great. Another bloody reveal.

*headdesk*

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Craydon1

Well I'm eliminating Brin based on a little study of human emotions. She got borderline ticked (or at least fooled me) in response to post about her. Heated emotions are a bad thing for someone that's trying to not draw attention to themselves.

Doesn't stop werewolves from having them, though. In fact, overreacting can be a sign of a guilty conscience. I don't particularly suspect Brinn, mind you– I merely speak on general principles.

Originally Posted by Craydon1

As for the analysis, they seem to be very redundant. If you agree with the previous novel long post, just say "ditto" and move on. Maybe make a few changes when you disagree with something. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and while this is the first time playing with you good folks (and don't get me wrong, this is fun) I've played the card game for years. I guess I just follow
the philosophy of just saying something when it is a honest contribution.

Crayon, in answer to your criticism– look, I don't even know how you play the card game. We've found that in this version, at least, it's better not to rely on any one person's analysis, for a number of reasons.

Now, look– why did you reveal?!

[wilwarin538]

Here for an hour or so before going to church...just reading.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Seeing the last posts, well you Roa took the words out of my desktop... a dream on either wilwa or Hakon is basically a dream wasted. If we just remember to take care of that duo in time that is.

But that time is not toDay as the next Night will still be crucial: the real ranger may have a chance to protect the seer. So let's not risk lynching the ranger to give the wolves free rein on the coming Night.

Sorry wilwa / Hakon if this sounds rude... but in the end we're fairly certain one of you is a wolf and from the village standpoint we need to lynch the wolf. So the real ranger will face the danger of being lynched but we shouldn't waste the dream on you as it is 50-50. With everyone else the odds are a lot weaker.

Exactly, so I don't know why people keep saying Pitch should dream one of us, he's only got a couple left, he should not waste them.

Oh Crayon, why oh why would you do that? A revealed hunter is difficult, cause the wolves may not want to risk killing you incase you've chosen on of them, or they may kill you and you could take an innocent down with you. It's always difficult being a hunter (I was one last game) but a revealed hunter is even more difficult. And right now I don't think it was needed.

So out of those being talked about. Inzil looks fine to me, as does Roa and Lottie. Nerwen somehow has managed to go under my radar, which is weird. Legate seems like normal Legate to me. So does Brinn. Hmm, so I'm nowhere. Everyone just looks good/normal to me. I don't have time to look closely, which is madening.

I'm gonna be honest here and say that I just have time to look through Roa's analises, I know I should do my own and I wish I had the time, but I'm in a crazy rush so this is all I can do. I want my vote to be atleast somewhat informed.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This turned into a big conflict, with Lari claiming it meant SPAM was the Agent or, *gasp*, a wolf. If Lari was a wolf, like SPAM, would they make such a big deal out of that little quote? Or were they just bickering to make it seem like they weren't at all connected?

I have been actually wondering, today, if it would be so improbable for those two to really orchestrate this suspicion-exchange... well, but then again, imagining the way it was written... Hm, I will probably read the particular posts again once more, but I don't know.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Hm. SPM's vote for her has been used as reasoning for her being innocent,
but I don't think wolf-on-wolf would be out of the question. As has been pointed out, the vote for her would have seemed safe enough, and unlikely to lead to her lynching, and would set her in a fairly positive light.

Well, that's once again one thing I have been thinking of now. Sort of, it would really serve well to SpM if he had managed to "save" Loslote for all the game by his only vote. Though, on the other hand, it really is not that much like SpM to vote a fellow Wolf on Day 1, and also, there is still time to reconsider it. I do not think I would vote for her just as yet, in any case.

Okay, but apart from those two reconsiderings,

Originally Posted by Inziladun

That bit from Hakon earlier: I would say the slip(?) of saying opposite things in the same post makes him look highly suspicious, but his being a wolf almost seems too easy. I find the uncertainty swirling around our gifteds extremely frustrating, but if everyone else is of the mind to let the matter be for now, so be it.

No, really, if anything, I don't think it makes him look suspicions, and certainly not "highly" suspicious, as you say. I mean, what is suspicious about THAT? And I can see him reaching opposite conclusions that way, if he was thinking "on the way". And that is confirmed by what he said later:

Originally Posted by Hakon

Yes I know. The first line was the original thought that led to the last line which was the final thought.

So I have no reason to suspect him any more based on that. And once again that's what I sorta dislike about Inzil, this jumping to conclusion, you know, it looks like if he was trying to find an easy way to cast suspicion on somebody, "ha, this one can be suspected, because he contradicts himself!" But on the other hand, thinking of it, I do not think he would really do it as a Wolf. I mean, why cast a suspicion on one of the two Rangers, if one of them is his packmate - once the Rangers were eliminated, the third Wolf will be made the target. So in total, it makes me think of Inzil as innocent, actually.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Neither we, nor the wolves, can know whether the Ranger is bluffing or not. Whichever way round it is, I'm surprised the wolves didn't try for the Seer, since their Ranger-candidate can always say either, "Hey, I was bluffing" or else, "I guess they thought I was bluffing," depending on circumstances.

That's what I meant. But I was talking about the Wolves' point of view at that time when you quote it. That is, explaining what would the Wolves think, what could lead them to not kill the Rangers that Night. Which is basically also what you just said.

It's nice to see Nerwen posting, by the way, I don't know what to make of her, though, yet. Remains sort of in the gray zone for me now. Brinniel, on the other hand, looks genuine to me by her last post, and I am sort of worried about the bandwaggon forming against her. I am not going to vote her toDay, most probably.

Originally Posted by Craydon1

Now I know this is my only post today, and by most of your standards I'm not active enough, but frankly I find a lot of everyone's post without meaning and not very thought out. As for the analysis, they seem to be very redundant. If you agree with the previous novel long post, just say "ditto" and move on. Maybe make a few changes when you disagree with something. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and while this is the first time playing with you good folks (and don't get me wrong, this is fun) I've played the card game for years. I guess I just follow
the philosophy of just saying something when it is a honest contribution. So before you guys start saying this makes me look somehow wolfish, you should know that....tada, I'm the Changed. Which is also why I've been silent among the priest cluster.

Okay, that what you say in the beginning is quite nice, I would second you (this redundancy is indeed a bit annoying sometimes). But how does that lead to the revelation? I mean, I don't see why anybody would suspect you based on that what you said.
As for the revelation itself. Okay, you say you have played WW at least in the cards, right, so I can imagine the habits might be different, I can see how it could make sense to reveal there, though it's not a habit for the Hunter to reveal here, usually. The point is that now the Wolves are going to avoid killing you, as they might target you. But okay, I am sort of able to accept this. Actually, I would ask another Changed, if there is any, to counter-claim. Because then, we will definitely know if there is somebody lying in here. So actully, quite a good move.

EDIT: x-ed since wilwa 358 or something like that at the bottom of the last page

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Crayon, in answer to your criticism– look, I don't even know how you play the card game. We've found that in this version, at least, it's better not to rely on any one person's analysis, for a number of reasons.

In the card game, it's entirely verbal. There are no posts to go over and analyze. What someone said is entirely dependent on how well others remember it. Ergo, analysis is rather pointless. People just suspect each other. The Day and Night periods are also significantly shorter, for obvious reasons, meaning there's less time to really consider who you're voting for.