T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Nienna]

I call for a Vote of No Confidence in Lommy. This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch. I don't care if Lommy is an innocent or not. She should not get control over the lynch.

[Loslote]

I don't think Lommy should be captain. I suspect her to be a wolf, and I don't like that she wants to keep the captain role now, of all times.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, a good idea but sadly against the rules.

Ouch. I had forgotten that. My apologies.

I talked with Nerwen and Gwath - or well, Nerwen asked a bunch of questions to which I answered and Gwath didn't appear at all. So there's not much to say.

I still think Nerwen is innocent, and Gwath possibly too. That would leave me with only one more innocent, who could be anybody of the remaining four. However, I really feel Sally + Nienna + Loslote makes the most sense, because Sally and Nienna have been trusting each other all game long (quite cleverly because mutual Night talks) and Loslote has joined the alliance now on the Day when the wolves have to keep their lines even to win. Also, Loslote choosing Nienna to talk with (and calling her innocent based on that) fits quite nicely to the picture.

Of course, this is pure speculation. I have to do some research and consider options, but I'm leaving it all for tomorrow - it's 1.30 am and I'd better sleep.

PS. I think we should probably vote for no Captain today, actually.


edit: xed with Nog and Loch Ness

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

PS. I think we should probably vote for no Captain today, actually.

Check #547...

[Loslote]

That's exactly what Nog just said we couldn't do. We can only vote No Captain if there is no current captain, right, Nog?

EDIT: Xed with Nienna and Nog.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loslote

That's exactly what Nog just said we couldn't do. We can only vote No Captain if there is no current captain, right, Nog?

Exactly. "No Captain" is not an option toDay as you have one already.

And to make the rest perfectly clear as well...

If Lommy is the Captain in the end of the Day it's her second Day and she can override the lynching for good or bad; to lynch someone who has one vote less than the one going to be lynched (or deciding on a draw) or cancel the lynch altogether (no one dies).

If you choose someone else, that Captain only has power to decide in a case of a tie.

But you need to have one or another.

[Nienna]

*salutes* Got it dear.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, your rules suck.

I understand if you don't want me to remain in office in a situation like this, but I would prefer to stay myself, of course, because then I will know there's an innocent Captain and I can even save it if the wolves are to win (assuming I can get it right, which I would not be sure of).

If there is to be someone else as a Captain, I really have to ponder who would I trust enough.

But now, good night.


edit: xed with people... and people, you know I xed with the mod, I'm not totally stupid...

[Loslote]

I'd support Sally for Captain. I trust her, I don't think she's a wolf, and it won't matter anyway unless we lynch a wolf now. So I'd like to focus on the lynch and let the Captain take backseat.

[Nienna]

Yes that makes sense.

Kath are you around? What thinks you?

[Loslote]

So for the lynch, who do we suspect?

I'm leaning towards Nerwen, Lommy, and Gwath. Lommy wants to stay Captain at the worst possible time, plus she seems to suspect the four that I think are most likely to be ordos. Nerwen's being incredibly subtle, but her ideas keep repeating in everyone else's "original" thoughts. Gwath is the one I'm least sure about. He's given helpful remarks, but I'm more inclined to suspect him than Kath, who I'm pretty sure is ordo.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I talked with Nerwen and Gwath - or well, Nerwen asked a bunch of questions to which I answered and Gwath didn't appear at all. So there's not much to say.

I still think Nerwen is innocent, and Gwath possibly too.

Why? You just said he didn't show up. Why this sudden trust?

[Nienna]

YesterDay's vote: Interestingly all the lynchees were innocents (or gifteds if we want to get technical) and all the people who were voted as captain are still alive.

Captaincy:
Roa -> Gwath
Fea -> Lommy
Nerwen -> Nienna
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Kath
Gwath -> Lommy
Greenie -> Nienna
Loslote -> Lommy
Legate -> Nienna (3)
Lommy -> Lommy
Nienna-> Lommy (6)

NG:
Roa -> Kath (INVALID VOTE)
Fea -> Greenie
Nerwen -> Gwath
Kath -> Fea
Sally -> Nienna
Gwath -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Nerwen
Loslote -> Gwath (2)
Legate -> Nienna (2)
Nienna-> Nerwen (3)

Lynching:
Roa -> Legate
Fea -> Roa
Kath -> Greenie
Legate -> Roa
Greenie -> Roa
Loslote -> Roa
Lommy-> Fea
Gwath-> Roa
Nienna-> Roa(6)

Didn’t vote: Nerwen, Sally

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

++lynch Fea

to give an alternative.

I can't pretend I have concrete evidence against her, but that doesn't mean I don't suspect her.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think it would be a good idea to open up another option:

++Lynch Loslote.

What's with that? Both have the same 'reason' for voting for ordos.

[Nienna]

Yeah that's a really strange comment to make. It sounds like Lommy doesn't care who gets lynched she just wants to 'open up more options.' That is not a good reason to vote for someone.

[Thinlómien]

I'm reading through everybody's posts and those of Rune's. I'm posting stuff that has caught my attention. Conclusions will come last.

Day1
- Sally and Loslote didn't want to be Captains
- Sally said Rune or Loslote wouldn't get her Captain vote
- Sally said: "Also, I think it's weird when people leave codes just because they can. If you've got something to say, fine, but if you're just trying to be tricksy save it." and toDay she's been among the code-whatever mess-makers
- Sally hoped Kath would post
- Rune explained Kath's absence to Sally
- Nerwen picked on Legate about picking on Nienna
- Kath and Rune joked together
- Nerwen guard-voted Kath
- Rune jokes he doesn't like Nerwen anymore
- Loslote voted Rune for Cap
- Nienna was bothered by Rune's votes
- Nienna asked if Rune was around aftercounting the votes
- Loslote thought Rune slightly suspicious but not wolvish
- Nienna seemed to be pondering whether it makes sense to vote Rune for Captain or not
- Sally gave Rune the second lynch vote
- Nienna gave the third lynch vote to Rune
- Loslote was suspicious of Nienna and voted her
- Kath defended Lottie

Related stuff
* I have to rethink of Sally and Nienna in the light of their Rune-votes (it is unlikely they're both wolves at least!)
* various banter and comments are probably unrelated to stuff

Unrelated stuff
* I see I'm still the only one who has bothered/ had time/ been interested to speculate anything about Fea's death
* I really hope to hear more from Kath and Gwath
* I'm expecting to see retractables toDay and I'm not sure if it's a comforting or a terrifying thought

[Nogrod]

Another clarification of the rules...

Originally Posted by Nienna

This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch.

Basically, as long as you have a Captain in the beginning of the Day, you're stuck with there being a Captain. And you can decide only on who it is.

Originally Posted by the Rules

If people don’t want to have a Captain at some point of the game when the earlier one has died they can also vote “no Captain”. If the “no Captain” votes are a majority there will be no Captain unless someone calls for a new referendum the next Day (or the next, or…).

[Loslote]

Right, but at least they would only control the vote in case of a tie. If Lommy stayed, she'd have much more power. So electing a new Captain would help limit the vote controlling aspect of the role.

[Nienna]

What I'm worried about is not a choice in a tie but the other more important choice of controlling if someone gets lynched:

Originally Posted by Master Nog

Can override a lynch by cancelling it alltogether (no one dies), deciding a draw or changing the lynchée to someone who has not more than one vote less than the one about to die

So I'm thinking Sally for Captain.