T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Roa

Lommy (who could start a restaurant with all of her waffles)

Love you, Roa!

I love it how Roa can make anyone look suspicious or inconsistent by analysing them. However, I have to say that Legate is always thinking things rather thoroughly (and arguing in circles) but I must agree with Roa that he has been maybe a bit too careful even for himself. Personally, I don't see anything too bad about him - I'm sort of undecided as you can see - but I wouldn't want him as a Captain anymore.

Firstly, because he was never really even voted to be the Captain, he just became the Captain because the elected Captain happened to die (and I must say that surprised me because I - wrongly - assumed we'd be without a Captain in a case like that). Ok this might not be the best of reasons, especially as our elected Captain was a wolf, but still for the sake of democracy, I'd rather have someone really elected for the position (and of course that doesn't disinclude Legate being re-elected).

Secondly, and more importantly, because I don't think anybody should have power for too long. It's not only dangerous but also a bit useless. Legate had his chance to be protected and appoint people to PM with and talk with them, now let's give someone else to have the chance. (In a way, I see it as rather selfish to ask for another Day of Captaincy, or eyebrow-raising in the least.) The village benefits the more we have different people PMing and thus forming ideas of each other every Night. And like people have said, it's not good to have a wolf captain or a gifted captain, so it's safer to change them regularly.

And lastly, I don't trust Legate or his judgement so much that he'd my top choice for a Captain, so I will cast my wolf (I'm leaving that typo there because it was so funny, I of course meant "vote" ) for someone I'd rather see as the Captain. (And don't interpret this as if I was discontent with Legate or his judgement or disapproving of stuff he's done this far, I would value him above the average in a choice for captaincy, but he's not my top choice now, especially as he's already been a Captain. I call for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Legatum! )

I need to analyse and think of stuff more, but to me Mac appears as a sort of safe no trace kill, possibly suspected ranger (he was sort of innocentish yet rather refrained and careful, so I could see someone making that assumption). Of course, wolves need to watch out for the hunters in this game, but it's not so bad for them with the master hunter gone, so it does make to take Mac's opinion of people into account but maybe not too much. (This would make Sally and Nienna look more innocent and Kath, Brinn, Roa and Legate look more guilty. It is funny that Nerwen arrives to the opposite conclusion.)

Valier is looking rather bad right now. I agree with Fea that her posts don't look genuine at the moment, and her interactions with Rune were rather fishy.

And speaking of her - Valier, did you talk with Boro at all last Night? If yes, was there anything special you two came up with?

Also - would our Night talker like to come forwards and tell who did they PM with and what kind of impressions they got from each other? (Assuming that the Night talker and his/her companion are alive.)

As my last note - I'm around right now for at least another hour, but once I go I'm not sure if I can be back. I have work and then I'm going to go to a meeting of new Art History students so it might be that I won't be back before the DL. Sorry for not being around enough, but this week Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday have been just hectic and with my luck two of them have been ww Days...

[Thinlómien]

I'm considering voting Roa for Captain.

We need another Captain, and Roa happens to look relatively innocentish, have some support and be someone whose judgement I generally trust.

However, I'm worried if we should vote her. Why? Because I think it might be difficult to wrestle her out of that position of power. I think people would be generally happy with her leadership because she's so active and, well, charismatic, and seems to make a lot of chance. (later addition: <- meant "sense", not "chance"! what's the problem with my mind today? )

What's the problem with her staying in power if people are content with her captaincy? 1) The fact that she might be a wolf or a gifted. 2) One person shouldn't have too much power, especially if it's someone like Roa. 3) It's the most beneficial to have changing captains.

All this rambling aside, I will probably vote her for Captain, but I want people to think about this stuff.

[Thinlómien]

++Nerwen for Night Guard

She could be anything. She gives me sort of cobblerish vibes, so I don't exactly mind taking her Nightly powers away.

She does not seem too wolvish that I'd be wary of protecting her for the Night, but she's definitely unsure enough on my list that I'd light to give her the scrutiny a Night's PM contact with another player can bring.

And if she's innocent, she's the sort of person who could make sharp observations about her PMing partner.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Of course, wolves need to watch out for the hunters in this game, but it's not so bad for them with the master hunter gone, so it does make to take Mac's opinion of people into account but maybe not too much. (This would make Sally and Nienna look more innocent and Kath, Brinn, Roa and Legate look more guilty. It is funny that Nerwen arrives to the opposite conclusion.)

You misunderstand me... or maybe I wasn't clear enough. I should have put the word "look" in italics or something. I was trying to work out what, if anything, Mac's death might have accomplished for the wolves. (i.e. I basically had the same conclusion as you.)

EDIT:X'd with Lommy's last post; added comment.
EDIT2:In fact I believe I will put it in italics.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You misunderstand me... or maybe I wasn't clear enough. I should have put the word "look" in italics or something. I was trying to work out what, if anything, Mac's death might have accomplished for the wolves. (i.e. I basically had the same conclusion as you.)

By which did it accomplish that Sally and Nienna look more guilty?

In case it hasn't been phrased clearly enough by anyone toDay, I call for a Captaincy Vote. (Just to make an official statement, but I don't think it has to be done because people have already cast new captaincy votes.)

++Roa for Captain

Now I'm off to use my last half an hour or so for solely determining who's guilty.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, a list:

Innocentish
Fea - she's difficult to judge, but for now she has been speaking so much sense that I feel more comfortable with her than with most
Nienna - seems genuine and Mac's death points at her innocence

Positive Middle
Sally - I'm rather unsure because she seems both innocent and guilty but neither to an overt extent, possibly leaning a bit to the innocent direction because of Mac's death, but I wouldn't want to make a hasty conclusion considering someone whom I'm so confused about
Roa - I know I said I think her innocentish and voted her for Captain but to trust Roa (especially as early as on Day2) is not something I'd do without reservations, so I'm putting her here instead of the innocentish category also to remind myself not to be lulled into false sense of security because of her general charisma and ability to make sense and good points
Legate - the more I talk about him, the more confused I get, but there's nothing too bad yet
Gwath - has been under my radar quite a lot but then again he seems perfectly okay when he posts

Negative Middle
Kath - I'm still vaguely uncomfortable with her but to be honest I must say she hasn't done anything incriminating
Greenie - she makes me uneasy because she's so sticking to what she always says about people (look at her list from yesterDay), but no actual alarm bells are ringing
Nerwen - like I said, no idea, but seems slightly cobblerish
Brinn - I have to confess she's been under my radar more or less completely, and that scares me

Guiltyish
Loslote - voted Rune for a Cap and I believe at least one fellow would've probably done so, otherwise nothing too bad
Valier - what I said about Los, and also the fact that her tone toDay does seem insincere, somewhat reminding me of past valierwolves

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Someone asked what the Night people thought of each other.

I didn't trust Legate at all. I currently trust him quite a lot more, but this stems from confusion with rules which I need to double check. Yet again. *grumbles about complicated rules* Once I have time (if I have time) I'll check on this and get back to you.

I am neutral about Nienna.

Either way, it's not hard to trace my feelings about Captain: I didn't vote for Legate, and first thing this Morning I voted for a different Cap. Sorry, LeDoor, you just don't have me convinced that you have the village's best interest at heart.

++Lommy as Guard

Curiosity.

I'm not sure how much I'll be around today. Things to do, places to go. I'll try to be around before deadline.

Note to self: *must* check those rules.

[Thinlómien]

Haha, just realised my list is quite beautifully symmetrical. Nice. But it's good to notice I suspect half of the village at least a bit, because normally I have problems finding suspicious behaviour.

++Valier

is the best suspicion I have.

I might yet be back, and if I am I may change my vote if the situation or my opinions have changed. But for now it should be ok.


edit: xed with Fea - and thanks for the vote, I guess

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

By which did it accomplish that Sally and Nienna look more guilty?

Yes– not meaning that they're actually gulity, but that it might be an attempt to make them look that way, though as a frame it would only be a weak one. EDIT: Is the point you're making that a lupine Sally or Nienna would have been too afraid to attack Mac, in case he was a Hunter? Sorry, I'm being rather dense at the moment. I'm tired.

As you see we're getting into double-triple-quadruple bluff territory now. That's the trouble: my hunch is that he was probably killed for a reason, rather than being a no-trace kill, but there's too many possible reasons.

I think it probably would be a good idea to switch Captains often, but I don't know about every Day. I think we could stick with Legate for another Day... I mean, your plan, Lommy, seems to be ensuring that the Captain never uses his full powers.

EDIT:X'd with two Lommys and one Fea.
EDIT2:Clarification.

[Thinlómien]

Happened to come back and see Nerwen's post -

actually yes, I have nothing against having a Captain if it's someone whose judgement I trust (and there are all kinds of beneficial side-effects), but I don't want to have a fully powerful Captain: there's no one I'd like to give the right to potentially overrule the village's decision, not even myself.

Now I'm gone for good. Bye!

[A Little Green]

All right, I'm here.

Originally Posted by Roa

The people who voted to lynch Hakon are: Fea, Greenie, Inzil, and Mac. Mac and Inzil are known to be innocents, so that leaves Fea and Greenie

The people who voted Rune for captain are: Boro, Valier, Loslote, Rune (), and Inzil. Rune and Inzil are dead, so that leaves Boro, Valier, and Loslote.

People who tried to reason in favor of Rune, but did not vote him as captain: Legate (post 180, 191, 207, 222), Greenie (post 215), Mac (post 197, 220), Lommy (post 185, 236)

Greenie shows up on two lists. And Legate does a lot of very subtle "Rune's probably innocent" suggestions with out committing.

Originally Posted by Legate

I am not sure what you mean by people "to reason in favour of Rune", but at least from my part, and I got the same feeling from the posts of all the others you name as well, it was just saying "I don't want Rune for Captain, but I am not comfortable with lynching him either".

Yeah, Legate pretty much summed up what I was about to say about "trying to reason in favour of Rune". As for voting to lynch Hakon, my reasons were weak but the best I had. (And now, of course, I know they were wrong.) What I find interesting is that the Hakon-voters and the Rune-voters (I'm talking about lynch votes) actually had quite similar reasons for their suspicion ie. finding an open will to become Captain suspicious.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

GREENIE
Guard: No-one
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Hakon

Whoops, it seems I was really not at my best yesterDay seeing as I also forgot to vote for a Guard (and only noticed it now...) I promise to try harder toDay!

Originally Posted by Lommy

Greenie - she makes me uneasy because she's so sticking to what she always says about people (look at her list from yesterDay), but no actual alarm bells are ringing

I know! That's always the problem with me, especially early in the game. For example, I don't think I'd be that lousy at reading Brinn if I wasn't so conscious of how bad I am at reading her... As for seeing that as a sign of suspicion, well, all I can do is use the worst argument ever: that's what I always do, regardless of my role.