T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

FEA! You're alive! I was afraid you drowned in the shower!

Actually, I got massively distracted by the movie 'The Prince & Me: A Royal Honeymoon' which was exactly as terribly as it sounds. I haven't even made it to the shower yet. Naughty me...

Originally Posted by Valier

and Fea....so we are YOUR lambs are we?

Well, dear, in a game such as this, you're either a lamb or a wolf in sheep's clothing. Do you deny that you're a lamb?

Nienna- didn't anybody with a background in writing ever teach you that you can read things more quickly when they're spaced instead of compacted, and when they're formatted into columns instead of long lines? There's a reason it's easier to skim a newspaper article than it is to skim a Russian novel.

[Roa_Aoife]

I’m going to ignore the people with two posts or less, because there isn’t anything to say about them.
Starting at the bottom and working my way up:
Nerwen
Post 1 – Answers Boromir’s quote contest. Points out that the one reason to not vote for someone for NG would that gifted cannot act if voted into this role, is unsure whether this is true or not, Thinks people aren’t being serious about the captain
(She makes a good point and something I hadn’t yet thought of. Of course, the gifted can’t come out and say that they don’t want the job, so it makes little difference)
Post 2- Is curious about Boro and Fea, doesn’t understand why Fea got rid of her retractables, thinks Boromir should have picked a more obscure quote
(I hate retractables myself, but I don’t mind them when they’re limited in such a way. Not everyone feels that way, and a lot of people like them.)
Post 3- concedes to gwath that people are taking the captain role seriously, is confused by legate’s statement
(Aaaaaaand…. No, I got nothing.)
Also, Nienna, while your summary was astounding, I’m curious as to what conclusions you have drawn from it?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Nienna, I love you.

Seconded. I heart Nienna's SparkNotes.



Roa, Kath's rather quiet too sometimes (although here now) so just keep that in mind. Also, good to see you, Miss Kath!


Okay, so to clarify, I (we) need to vote for:
Lynch (two plusses and bolded)
Captain (two plusses and highlighted, possibly add 'for captain' to the end)
Night Guard (two plusses, highlighted, and add 'Guard')


Right? I just want to make sure I get it right, see.

Going to lunch, but it'll be a slow day at the office I think so I should be around a bit this afternoon.



EDIT: x'd with Val, Legate, and Nerwen

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Okay, so to clarify, I (we) need to vote for:
Lynch (two plusses and bolded)
Captain (two plusses and highlighted, possibly add 'for captain' to the end)
Night Guard (two plusses, highlighted, and add 'Guard')


Right? I just want to make sure I get it right, see.

Boro made the "election votes" quite nicely in #95. The main thing is that I can see who are you voting and into what position - and to not mess them up with your lynch-votes (thus elections highlighted and lynches bolded).

Also to anyone thinking about this...

Originally Posted by Boro

If a gifted is night guarded even if the gifted can't act, the gifted can't be killed.

Right. A gifted as a Captain, BG or NG can't perform his duties during the Night but can not be killed either (even a Hunter can't touch them). Later in the game the number of them will decrease and in the end there will be none. (consult the rules for details)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Answers Boromir’s quote contest. Points out that the one reason to not vote for someone for NG would that gifted cannot act if voted into this role, is unsure whether this is true or not

And I still don't. Anyone have any clues on this?

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And I still don't. Anyone have any clues on this?

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

I don't think it matters. If a gifted is night guarded even if the gifted can't act, the gifted can't be killed. With the gifteds being hunters and rangers, it may be to their advantage to be guarded early and survive later on when they have better chance at using their gifts successfully. That's just my opinion though.

[Roa_Aoife]

Rune

Post 1- Thinks he and Valier would make the best captains, but may not want to be, thinks this Day will be more random and confusing than usual, says he’ll be around a bit

(Well, that certainly takes some guts to say, but it’s a really obvious “I could be captain, but maybe I don’t want it…” ploy.)

Post 2- Says he and Valier are good captain candidates because they has good people skill and people can trust them.

(That is terrible reasoning: “You can trust me because you can trust me.”)

Post 3- Says he’s actually quite tipsy, and doesn’t like retractable votes

(Never post on werewolf while drunk.)

Post 4- changes to invisible, says he wants to be captain because he trusts himself, though he thinks Captain Fea would be interesting, goes to bed

(That at least makes more sense than his previous argument. Of course you’d want somebody you can trust in the captain position, and we can only trust ourselves for now)

Post 5- says Kath tends to forget Day 1, says he understands and agrees with Fea on retractable votes

(Overall, the most suspicious thing about him is his bid for captain. It seems really obvious, almost too obvious for a wolf ploy, but then, I’ve pulled obvious stunts as a wolf before and gotten away with it…)

[Roa_Aoife]

Iniz

Post 1- Says he won’t be around late in Day 2, so it would be difficult for him to be captain then

(Ok, just answering a question)

Post 2- Clarifies that Day 1 is not a problem for him, but we should do what we think is best

(shrug)

Post 3- Questions Rune about his bid for captain

(It’s a fair question)

Post 4- Finds Hakon’s bid for captain suspicious, especially with end statement of “I’m innocent”

(A good point and one that I’d missed)

Post 5- Answers Rune’s question, doesn’t get the controversy around Boro and Fea

(The only thing that bothers me is that he isn’t around.)

[Valier]

So we must vote for a captain and 2 NG? then someone to lynch? wow that's alot of decisions.
I think my Captain vote for the day will be someone I'm interested in seeing what they do with the role, my choices atm are Roa, Legate, Boro or Rune, since all are fairly talkative and it would be interesting to see how they handle it. The NG's on the other hand are just people we think should be protected...hmmmm

[Roa_Aoife]

Rune is one of the least talkative people here.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Valier

So we must vote for a captain and 2 NG? then someone to lynch? wow that's alot of decisions.

Hey, okay, one more question then. Are we supposed to cast one vote for NG or two votes for NG? I.e. everybody votes for two people? I originally thought that we are supposed to vote just for one person, and simply the two who got the most will become NGs. Or how is it? Nogger?

[A Little Green]

Hello, I'm finally here. Sorry it took me so long, Tuesdays are just very bad WW days for me. I'll be able to post more on the later Days, though.

Originally Posted by Roa

I will probably vote someone who isn't here yet for captain. That way, if they are evil, at least they won't have a chance to do serious damage.

I'm not sure if I understand this point right. Do you mean that a quiet wolf would be less dangerous if s/he was Captain than if s/he wasn't, or that s/he would be less dangerous as Captain than some other wolf? If so, why? However quiet a wolf, I doubt they would fail to use their Captain's power if given that - and if they do use it, I doubt they'd make it any better for the village.

As for your question in your very first post, I don't mind being voted NG. I have no idea why anyone would want me as Captain, and while I don't have any obstacles (except not being around at DL), I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that much power.

Originally Posted by Boro

Legate is correct in his cautioning about bandwagon voting for someone on a minor thing.

Yes, I quite agree, as Day 1 bandwagons indeed tend to rise from little things and end up in disaster. I find it rather curious too, though, given that on a Day 1 little things are pretty much all we have. And while suspicion based on a little thing goes seldom right, it is also, on Day 1, the only thing that has so much as a chance of going right.

This, of course, has nothing to do with Boro and Fea's case. Personally I can see nothing alarming about either of them.

I'll post ideas about the Captain (and maybe NG:s) soon.


EDIT: x-ed with loads

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Valier

I think my Captain vote for the day will be someone I'm interested in seeing what they do with the role, my choices atm are Roa, Legate, Boro or Rune, since all are fairly talkative and it would be interesting to see how they handle it.

I might be inclined to vote Boro or Legate for Captain since they both seem innocentish and are clever and active. I've seen too little of Rune in this game to trust him enough to give him power, and Roa I'm hesitant to vote because she is by far the most active player around and I'd be afraid that if she was voted Captain too she'd have a bit more power than I'm comfortable with.

I have no idea about NGs or lynch yet.


EDIT: x-ed with Sally and Roa

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I'm not sure if I understand this point right. Do you mean that a quiet wolf would be less dangerous if s/he was Captain than if s/he wasn't, or that s/he would be less dangerous as Captain than some other wolf? If so, why? However quiet a wolf, I doubt they would fail to use their Captain's power if given that - and if they do use it, I doubt they'd make it any better for the village.

I meant that if that person simply isn't going to be around, then they can't do any damage. For example, a person who hasn't shown up all day may very well not show up all night, so then they can't do any harm because they aren't there to do it. Make sense?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I may be leaning toward Boro as one NG, however. While I don't think him worthy of serious doubt just yet, he's sending an odd vibe or two.

May I ask how it is related? I.e. why would you want to vote Boro as NG, if he seems weird to you?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Two questions here: why Nienna? And what did you think of her reply, then?

Nienna, because she was the one who posted meanwhile between my two posts before (i.e. I x-ed with her, then I was reading what I x-ed with, and then I was thinking about her, which is described in the post I made), and it just occured to me to ask her there. That's it. As for what did I think of her reply, nothing very special. I may judge it also later depending on her behavior otherwise in the game.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And I still don't. Anyone have any clues on this?

I thought, since the rules explicitely state that Captain can't do anything else at Night and BGs can't do anything else at Night but with NGs there is no such statement, that it means that NGs can do whatever they are. But maybe Mr. Nogmod could clarify if he's around?

EDIT: x-ed with His Truly and onwards. Okay, so actually even the NGs cannot do anything, okay? Maybe you should write it to the rules then.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Roa

Rune is one of the least talkative people here

true, but I know Rune and would be curious as to how he handles the Captain role. It may tell me if he is Innocent by the way he reacts.

[Boromir88]

Val, everyone votes for one person to night guard, the top 2 vote getters will then be guarded.

Edit: Legate, I'm sure it was in the Rules somewhere, but I ask everyon to look at post #5 (in this thread, some reason it's not linking for me).

[satansaloser2005]

Thanks for the clarification, Nog. (And Boro for the fine example.)


++Guard Val

Call it a hunch, but I think she'd make a good Night One kill. (And mind you that I was right last time with Mnemo as well as a couple others, so maybe I'm actually getting the hang of this. Not saying it'll be the case, but I'm sticking by it anyway.)


++Legate for Captain

He's said things yet hasn't tripped my radar in any way (yet, at least) so I trust him for now. Besides, I know he's logical and hopefully won't do something stupid if given the power of Captain.


EDIT: x'd with A Little

[Roa_Aoife]

Fea

Post 1- has no problem being Captain or NG, but makes no promises about her performance

Post 2- Gets rid of her retractable votes.

(I still don’t see anything suspicious about it.)

Post 3 – Explains to Boromir about her previous posts

Post 4 – explains her reason for not liking retractable votes

(Well, she’s right…)

Post 5- Says she’ll be back after a shower and some food

Post 6 – finds it amusing that people credit her with brilliant scheming when she usually just takes advantage of circumstances, says she wanted to stir up discussion because Day 1’s are boring, thinks anyone who has the village’s best interest at heart will throw away their retractables

(I mostly agree with her, except for the last part, since sometimes a retractable can be used for good.)

Post 7- explains her absence, banters with Valier, criticizes Nienna’s formatting.

(She’s done one major thing that apparently succeeded in purpose- stirring up discussion- but she’s made very little comment on any suspicions or thoughts, and I usually expect more from her. I want to know who she’s going to vote for and why, and she just isn’t delivering. A fea who wants to save the village tends to be aggressive.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Don't make me start flooding with analysis... I'll do it!

*sigh* Something tells me that the wolves are going be deep down undercover this game.

At this point, Rikae, Kath, Greenie, and Lommy have yet to even post. Greenie's a quiet one, fine, but what happened to the others?

I will probably vote someone who isn't here yet for captain. That way, if they are evil, at least they won't have a chance to do serious damage.

And at the moment my top suspect is Boromir. Yes, my points against him are circumstantial, but no one's posting.

So do you actually think that the wolves should be found amongst the silent people or was it just a feeling?

I can see that you fear that the role as captain can damage the village. I know that today we have to elect a captain, but maybe it would be smart to have a talk about wether we want anybody to be in that position of power later on.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Haha, okay, I may as well post what I thought of, because I considered it a brilliant idea and it took me a few seconds to realise that it actually is not much of a help (if you say it just like that). After reading Nienna's post, I thought: "Hmm, Nienna is either an innocent... or a wolf."

Brilliant revelation, isn't it? Though you see, even though it seems like stating the obvious, the point is the dynamic behind the thinking. I have concluded that myself, I wasn't told that by the rules.

Well anyway, I may as well ask, Nienna, are you innocent?

Legate, you really frustrate me. Your post can make perfect sense and seem quite ordinary for you and then they can really confuse me. I really don't know what to think of it. . .probably slightly suspicous.

Originally Posted by Valier

There are quite a few ways I can see the wolves playing the Captain thing...ie: Out right ask to be the Captain, or just subtly say they wouldn't mind or the most likely, be really really helpful and make alot of sense, tricking people into voting for you. Which if I was a wolf would probably be the way I would go, lol but just me saying that could be construed as suspisious, but hey it's true. When trying to catch wolves one must think like them.

That is the beauty and the curse of the game, people can do almost do what they please and argue that it points towards their innocens.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

The problem with that line of reasoning is that an innocent villager would do the exact same thing. If we start lynching people for being helpful, then we lose all the people who are being helpful.

Of course we should not lynch people just because they are being helpful, that would be stupid indeed, but I do think there is some merit to Valiers theory. We should be on the lookout for relatively helpful people, that post a fair amount and seem helpful, but don't produce much. Like if people make very detailed posts about what others have said, but never really conclude anything.

Originally Posted by Kath

Oi! To sally and Rune. I've actually made it to a Day 1 this time so there.

Actually I must admit it's only because Nog put the link on the admin thread which I get emails from ... but never mind! I am here. By the way a 10pm deadline is always a little bit of a rush for me as I tend to forget until the last minute so don't be surprised if you suddenly get a flurry of (and by that I mean my usual 3) posts all in one go at about half 9!

Off for a bit now. Will return later.

Damn, it would have been so funny if you had not turned up on day 1 again, especially in Nogrods game.

EDIT: I Cross posted with everbody since Little Green (My post was deleted so it took me ages to write)

[Valier]

wow it's been so long I can't remember how to quote poeple.....
No fea I don't deny being a lamb, only that I am not your lamb.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Valier

wow it's been so long I can't remember how to quote poeple.....

Hit the "quote" button on the bottom right-hand corner of their posts.

[Boromir88]

Let's get the ball started...

++Captain Rune

Nice campaign speech, he wants it, take it.

++NG Inzil

This merely wasn't for jumping through a hoop for me in answering a question. I've had a very nice read on Inzil's past behavior as a wolf and he's not triggering any wolvish feeling. He's skilled enough to adapt, but I would like him protected.