T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Nienna]

There were a lot of people who mentioned they would have RL commitments so they probably wouldn't be around much.

But I'm here... for a bit anyway. Is there something you/anyone would like to discuss?

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Nienna

There were a lot of people who mentioned they would have RL commitments so they probably wouldn't be around much.

But I'm here... for a bit anyway. Is there something you/anyone would like to discuss?

Umm... the game? The players who have posted thus far? What you think of peoples assertions? Who you're considering to be captain? Who you think might be a wolf (and why)? Who don't think is a wolf (and why)? We may not have much but we do have two pages. What do you think of them?

[Nienna]

List of people in order of post count:

Roa: asking a lot of questions and prompting a lot of discussion. She subtly says that she could be captain and then says that wolves my do the same thing.

Boro: either being silly or spending the whole time defending the two not silly things he said (questioning Fea’s use of him as a retraction and his quote method of picking people to vote for)

Sally: doesn’t want to be captain and won’t be around much

Zil: could be captain, suspicious of Hakon

Rune: wants to be captain

Fea: doesn’t like retractable votes

Nienna:

Nerwen: thinks we need to be careful not to vote in a wolf for captain

Legate: questions the Fea/Boro thing

Hakon: wants to be captain

Gwath: won’t be around much

Lottie: doesn’t want to be captain

Valier: wouldn’t mind holding a position

Brinn: won’t be around much

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I have a few vague suspicions but nothing really concrete.

Whats hard about the captain thing is that wolves want it but don't want to seem eager while the gifteds don't want it but don't want to seem like they don't want it. This could make their behavior very similar... we just have to be careful.

[Roa_Aoife]

Don't make me start flooding with analysis... I'll do it!

*sigh* Something tells me that the wolves are going be deep down undercover this game.

At this point, Rikae, Kath, Greenie, and Lommy have yet to even post. Greenie's a quiet one, fine, but what happened to the others?

I will probably vote someone who isn't here yet for captain. That way, if they are evil, at least they won't have a chance to do serious damage.

And at the moment my top suspect is Boromir. Yes, my points against him are circumstantial, but no one's posting.

EDIT: crossed with Nienna. YAY!

[Roa_Aoife]

Actually, I may vote one of them NG, since they are a likely pick for a wolf kill. (No trail to follow.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Actually, you misrepresent what happened Legate. Fea gave her post with the retraction and one-liner explanation. I asked for more, she gave it, and since then I have not asked for any more. That means you can assume that either 1. I have been convinced by Fea's reasoning or 2. I have gotten all that I need from it and find no more use in pursuing it.

My other posts have not been still asking Fea for more, but responses to Roa and Nerwen who have asked what the hell is going on?

Okay, fine with me then, though in fact, I could still join in asking the question which Roa asked you:

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

You didn’t answer my question. You said weren’t convinced that Fea used you to throw away her retractables because your name was first alphabetically. I want to know why you should need convincing of it. And no, it’s not a crime, but the comment was not a throwaway, and there was nothing suspicious about it. Your implication of suspicion here is what I find suspicious, and you have yet to give a satisfactory answer as to your reaction.

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Why shouldn’t we be looking at it? The behavior on Boro’s part is suspicious, ergo I question him. Why does that seem odd to you?

It does not necessarily seem odd to me, but I think it's too much of an easy place to pick on somebody. Boro's behavior seemed, let's say, weird to me, but not necessarily suspicous - I could as well imagine him acting that way. (Despite the fact that I would like to hear his explanation of that, mind you!) But I was, or am, slightly afraid of the easiness of creating a big issue from such a rather minor thing, which is actually what in some ways seems to be happening right now. So just in other words, I am warning innocents of jumping onto this discussion without clear head, because I think this is a model situation of how the Day 1 lynches always emerge. That's not to say that we couldn't lynch Boro, for that matter. But I just think that this case of one comment should not be let to overgrow into a huge bandwaggon suspicion, which so often happens from small seeds like this. And that's what makes the first Day easier for the Wolves, needless to say (unless in this case Boro was one of them).

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Umm... the game? The players who have posted thus far? What you think of peoples assertions? Who you're considering to be captain? Who you think might be a wolf (and why)? Who don't think is a wolf (and why)? We may not have much but we do have two pages. What do you think of them?

Well yes, that's what I would like to discuss too. However, I don't exactly want to say much yet before some more players appear - indeed, as it's been said, there had been quite a lot of people who still didn't show up, or who did not post much more than one short post or something. Also, then, from what I can say, I don't really feel like having read enough to vote for somebody as a Captain. I would really like to see others first. But okay, for the sake of it, one name - Nerwen, for instance. But that's really a long run yet, like I said. Very, very preliminary ideas.

If more people show up, you may get more from me.

EDIT: x-ed with Nienna and on

[Nogrod]

NB. There will be a change of a player in the game.


Rikae will have to withdraw but Mac will take her place.

I'll narrate Mac in in a short time replacing this announcement with it. But if someone is leaving the thread for good for toDay you should probably know it now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Haha, okay, I may as well post what I thought of, because I considered it a brilliant idea and it took me a few seconds to realise that it actually is not much of a help (if you say it just like that). After reading Nienna's post, I thought: "Hmm, Nienna is either an innocent... or a wolf."

Brilliant revelation, isn't it? Though you see, even though it seems like stating the obvious, the point is the dynamic behind the thinking. I have concluded that myself, I wasn't told that by the rules.

Well anyway, I may as well ask, Nienna, are you innocent?

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Nienna, are you innocent?

Yes. Innocent of wolvery, that is. Innocent of other things??... well...

[Valier]

lol Legate did you just expect Nienna to go "oh ya I'm a wolf Hooowwwwwllllll" of course she will say she's innocent. In this game everyones word is well, just a word.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Valier

lol Legate did you just expect Nienna to go "oh ya I'm a wolf Hooowwwwwllllll" of course she will say she's innocent. In this game everyones word is well, just a word.

Oh no, really? I assumed that she would confess, how short-sighted of me!

Well, of course not. But I was just trying it for the sake of seeing how she replies. There may be people who reply in exactly that way and make it a joke, or something... the point is that if you are a Wolf and somebody asks you that, you have to lie, and well, sometimes it can cause some change in behavior or different way of posting or thinking. Some would try not to reply at all. The point is not the answer, but the form. It was just worth a try.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

A fair point. In my mind, that's exactly what it looks like Boromir was trying for with his comment on Fea, inviting others to look at it suspiciously as well, and then he backed off when no one took the bait. That's a move I've seen before.

Sure, and the same is also impeding in picking on Boro picking on Fea. It's just one level further. But right so, whatever - just if there was a suspicion for example against Boro, it should not be based just on this, but also on something else. Once again, too easy to create a bandwaggon with this, as it often happens.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Another fair point. But no one else is coming forward with anything. I can't catch everything, and the quiet ones (minimal posters who say little and post less) are my blind spot. Which means I'm operating really blindly in this game. Discussion is the only the village has during the Day. We can't catch anything if we aren't looking.

Surely not. You are making absolutely reasonable points, I completely forgot how you play. I acknowledge all you say, but the best would really be now if all people appeared and said something. Then we could move on. But as the Day passes, we may not have as much time.

Originally Posted by Nienna

Yes. Innocent of wolvery, that is. Innocent of other things??... well...

Okay, fair enough, that's all I need to know. Thanks for answering.

Okay... I guess I will wait a while around here, it seems people are popping up, like Valier, which is nice.

I think I might vote some person who was silent for the NG, but as not all have shown up yet, let's see. I'll probably stay until DL, or at least very short before the DL.

EDIT: x-ed with Boro and onwards

[Macalaure]

Hi, folks!

I'm stepping in for Rikae, who went missing under an avalanche of schoolwork.

I read most of the thread and see the usual suspects out-arguing each other, but barely any actual suspicions. No votes, not even for captain and nightguards. I can see a beautifully random lynch coming up.

I have a few people who I vaguely trust or distrust, but nothing of it is based on any actual reasons, so I won't bother bothering you with it yet.

I'll be back there with you for more later.

[Valier]

hmmm I'm not sure I like the idea of voting a quiet person for NG, that would be giving them a free ride for the night. They could just choose to stay quiet for the day after seeing that.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

It does not necessarily seem odd to me, but I think it's too much of an easy place to pick on somebody. Boro's behavior seemed, let's say, weird to me, but not necessarily suspicous - I could as well imagine him acting that way. (Despite the fact that I would like to hear his explanation of that, mind you!)

Granted it's been a while, but I always remembered Boro as being one the more vocal ones, and right now he's said only one serious thing and it was just downright weird.

But I was, or am, slightly afraid of the easiness of creating a big issue from such a rather minor thing, which is actually what in some ways seems to be happening right now.

A fair point. In my mind, that's exactly what it looks like Boromir was trying for with his comment on Fea, inviting others to look at it suspiciously as well, and then he backed off when no one took the bait. That's a move I've seen before.

So just in other words, I am warning innocents of jumping onto this discussion without clear head, because I think this is a model situation of how the Day 1 lynches always emerge.That's not to say that we couldn't lynch Boro, for that matter. But I just think that this case of one comment should not be let to overgrow into a huge bandwaggon suspicion, which so often happens from small seeds like this. And that's what makes the first Day easier for the Wolves, needless to say (unless in this case Boro was one of them).

Another fair point. But no one else is coming forward with anything. I can't catch everything, and the quiet ones (minimal posters who say little and post less) are my blind spot. Which means I'm operating really blindly in this game. Discussion is the only the village has during the Day. We can't catch anything if we aren't looking.

Edit: Cross posted with Nogrod down

[Valier]

I'm here and should be around till deadline today, but alas I am having pc problems so my posts will probably be sporatic.
Hmmmm my thoughts so far....well not much I must say. Roa's a wolf (well I always think Roas a wolf so....) I really don't think Boro is one...not sure why yet. I don't think Fea is, so far. I understand her reasoning behind her throwing away her retracts.

There are quite a few ways I can see the wolves playing the Captain thing...ie: Out right ask to be the Captain, or just subtly say they wouldn't mind or the most likely, be really really helpful and make alot of sense, tricking people into voting for you. Which if I was a wolf would probably be the way I would go, lol but just me saying that could be construed as suspisious, but hey it's true. When trying to catch wolves one must think like them.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Valier

or the most likely, be really really helpful and make alot of sense, tricking people into voting for you.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that an innocent villager would do the exact same thing. If we start lynching people for being helpful, then we lose all the people who are being helpful.

EDIT: more corss posting. I feel much better now.

[Valier]

Of course Roa I agree with you, butttt still the more wolves act like innocents and be helpful, the better their chances of being voted a Captain. Am I wrong? uggg it's been so long since I've played. this game messes with my head. There are so many ways to play as a wolf. My way of weeding them out is I look for people who play like I would as a wolf, or I look for people who do the opposite...lol so everyone is a suspect. (sorry it's early morning and I'm not quite awake)