Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard

[Mnemosyne]

Right.

The easiest way I can see this going forward is if the Seer comes out so that we can vote to guard him/her each night. That way we'll get a virtually limitless supply of dreams so that we can track these foul beasts down and snuff them out.

Thank you for posting before me, Boro; people who post first with cunning plans are startling Day 1 lynch targets and I'd hate to put myself on the chopping block so early.

Not that anyone would want to lynch a face like this...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

The easiest way I can see this going forward is if the Seer comes out so that we can vote to guard him/her each night. That way we'll get a virtually limitless supply of dreams so that we can track these foul beasts down and snuff them out.

It is not permissible for the same person to be Night Guarded for two or more Days in a row.

And thank you for the pig, Boro .

[Mnemosyne]

Darn.

Take away all my fun from me, will you?

Unless we wanted to coordinate saves with the Ranger, which really is not a half bad idea when you think about it...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Unless we wanted to coordinate saves with the Ranger, which really is not a half bad idea when you think about it...

This plan sounds way to good and way to easy to be true. There must be a rule against us protecting the same person that many time in a row, though I suppose if we can't then we could just alternate with the Ranger,one Night we protect Seer next Night Ranger does, and hope the the Ranger can stay alive.

This may seem like a good idea, but think about the innocents who will undoubtedly be put on the line. If the seer reveals him/herself and then reveals his/her dreams every day innocents will be revealed to the village, making them easy targets for wolves at Night.

And what if something happens to the ranger early on? Then we have the seer for two days and then it's curtains. If that happens early on, the village will have to go on without the aid of the seer's dreams. Plus by that point a few innocents will be vulnerable.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

This may seem like a good idea, but think about the innocents who will undoubtedly be put on the line. If the seer reveals him/herself and then reveals his/her dreams every day innocents will be revealed to the village, making them easy targets for wolves at Night.

I did not say that the Seer should reveal his/her dreams each Day. That would be the equivalent of sending the Wolves a kill list. So, not unless we nab a wolf. In the meantime, though, if we have a protected Seer we do know that we will be getting dreams to our advantage, and if the Ranger dies then the Seer can reveal all of his/her dreams to the village. Hopefully at that point (depending on dream picks vs. kill picks) we would have enough Known Innocents to keep the wolves busy killing them off while we can focus on the unknowns.

[wilwarin538]

Hmm...then perhaps we should just wait and see for the Seer to see this, and then maybe they should just come forward if they already have a wolf, or hold this off until they do have one. And if this plan is agreed upon then they should only reveal the roles of wolves, and not draw attention to any known innocents. Unless we lose the Ranger after the Seer already has come forward, then they could reveal all of their known innocents then.

Haha, I'm confusing myself so much.

[wilwarin538]

Oh my, Mnemo, we be the same person...

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Oh my, Mnemo, we be the same person...

I beg your pardon! We both may exert our wiles on the other sex, but I do so with matrimony in mind and not merely pleasure. A good coquette knows how to be charming and honorable... well, mostly honorable.

I may have to vote you simply because of the threat you pose to my ambitions.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

This may seem like a good idea, but think about the innocents who will undoubtedly be put on the line. If the seer reveals him/herself and then reveals his/her dreams every day innocents will be revealed to the village, making them easy targets for wolves at Night.

I's ready to do mysa part and be an attractive kill choice. I never knew wolves who would deny themselves nice, thick and crispy bacon. Mmm

Oh and I guess that means no one should waste their time trying to save me at night...Elles ont comprend? (If that is wrong, please don't correct me).

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

I beg your pardon! We both may exert our wiles on the other sex, but I do so with matrimony in mind and not merely pleasure. A good coquette knows how to be charming and honorable... well, mostly honorable.

I may have to vote you simply because of the threat you pose to my ambitions.

Hahahahaha

Humph , I do not exert my wiles, they just come to me naturally with no effort on my part , probably more for the ale then anything else,

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Elles ont comprend? (If that is wrong, please don't correct me).

Hmm, can't even correct you cause I have no idea want you're trying to say exactly.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Hmm, can't even correct you cause I have no idea want you're trying to say exactly.

Just asking if we understand eachother.

Now really you and Mnemo should simmer a bit, because talking about eachothers wiles makes me nervous *points to avatar*

et au revoir.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

The easiest way I can see this going forward is if the Seer comes out so that we can vote to guard him/her each night. That way we'll get a virtually limitless supply of dreams so that we can track these foul beasts down and snuff them out.

This plan sounds way to good and way to easy to be true. There must be a rule against us protecting the same person that many time in a row, though I suppose if we can't then we could just alternate with the Ranger,one Night we protect Seer next Night Ranger does, and hope the the Ranger can stay alive.

Will go double check rules after this.

Not that anyone would want to lynch a face like this...

I would.....

[wilwarin538]

Xposted with Mod and Mnemo earlier

Thank you dear ModGod for clarification, and Mnemo and I think the same, perhaps I won't lynch you now, .

x'posted with Kit

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I would.....

I knew it! You just want to eliminate the competition, don't you?

*thinks of many unpleasant Shakespearean words to cast upon the barmaid profession in general*

[Kitanna]

I suppose I need to abandon my hermit lifestyle for a while. *sigh*

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

The easiest way I can see this going forward is if the Seer comes out so that we can vote to guard him/her each night. That way we'll get a virtually limitless supply of dreams so that we can track these foul beasts down and snuff them out.

This seems like an ok idea, but eventually, probably sooner than later, the wolves can manipulate this. How do you plan to organize such an undertaking?

Edit: Eonwe clarified the rules...

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

This seems like an ok idea, but eventually, probably sooner than later, the wolves can manipulate this. How do you plan to organize such an undertaking?

It's all up to the Seer and whether s/he wants to come out at this point.

Of course, likely a wolf has already thought of this and would reveal first and/or counterreveal. I don't know how we'd proceed then, unless we wanted to protect both (Ranger one and the village the other, then alternate).

But IF there were a way of knowing the Seer is real, then all we need is a simple majority of ++Guard votes. The wolves would probably be too willing to go along at this point. Next night everyone would vote according to his/her conscience and the Ranger would make the save.

My point is that normally when new and/or weird rules are introduced into the mix the wolves profit from the confusion that results.

But I think in this situation we've been handed a genuine boon, if we can learn how to use it properly.

[Kitanna]

I went back and read Mnemo and Wilwa's conversation (and all posts that responded early on to it). Since this is the highlight right now it seems like a logical place to look for baddies. However, time is short for me so I'll make a few points quick and come home on my lunch break to finish any thoughts.

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

The easiest way I can see this going forward is if the Seer comes out so that we can vote to guard him/her each night. That way we'll get a virtually limitless supply of dreams so that we can track these foul beasts down and snuff them out.

Mnemo is quick to declare this route this easiest, life in WW is never easy though. It doesn't feel wolfish, not so early, but that doesn't absolve Mnemo.
In answering my query on the idea Mnemo states that the seer has the choice to reveal. Another innocent move, but makes me wonder about Mnemo. However, nothing Mnemo has said screams wolf to me. I want to watch Mnemo over the next few days, but I have a feeling a wolf wolf wouldn't make a suggestion for a reveal so early, but would rather encourage the idea and thrive on any and all confusion.

I will return in a few hours to make a quick statement about Wilwa's role with Mnemo's suggestion and then a vote.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

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EDIT: clumsy fingers

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

^ Dunno if painting that red would be legal and all (see glossary: HIGHLIGHTING) so I won't, but it's a pretty flag, ain't it?

Lynch me pl0x.

(All right, seriously, I'll be gone now, just stole comp time while the parents are out watching soaps.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

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*Jumps and grabs the nearest pitchfork.* Where? Where!!!
*Realises that it's just the village fool and calms down again.*
Yes, yes, wolves, son, wolves. There are lots of them.

...Anyway, as for other things. I only have to note that I am actually scared how exactly Lommy's thoughts reflect mine. From the beginning points, also those about "unfairness" (I was more like wondering if the Mod should not have limited this Night Guarding stuff a bit more limited rule-wise, though after thinking about it a bit - what I've been doing through writing all these posts - maybe it's not TOO strong, but still maybe a bit of a disbalance, but who knows), through the idea that if anything, Mnemo could be a possible Cobbler, up to the somewhat discomforted way of Kit's post (you are not going to be around, Kit? I don't think you didn't say anything about it on the admin thread? That's why it surprised me.)

When we are already at it, I also feel quite good about Nerwen this far, and I am not entirely sure about wilwa, maybe mainly because of the continuous pursuit of the revealing idea, though it's not anything too definite (mainly as she put that down in the end herself, but that could have been as well mere resignation). Anyway, I'm looking forward to see also others posting... hopefully not only in the last part of the Day or anything.

EDIT: x-ed with Nilp

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Mnemo could be a possible Cobbler

There are no cobblers.

[Pitchwife]

*comes into the market square and ambles around, listening to the discussion and trying to catch up with what has gone before*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

There are no cobblers.

Hey! Good to know, but you were originally planning some, were you, or did I just make it up? *checks the rules* Because I was under the impression that there was supposed to be one according to the rules...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Hey! Good to know, but you were originally planning some, were you, or did I just make it up? *checks the rules* Because I was under the impression that there was supposed to be one according to the rules...

I'm tempted to just repeat "There are no cobblers", but maybe that would be taking it too far...

They were never actually mentioned under roles, but I had put it under possible seer dreams by mistake at first, a mistake that I got rid of as soon as I realised.


And from now on, go to the Admin Thread for such questions.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

No, not at all. I'd expect nothing less. In fact, it might make me a bit uneasy if you didn't.
I may return the favor, though. Or, I may vote to guard you, who knows?.
The Day is still young.

Oh pig loins! All the suspicion you acquire every single time, has made you much more cool and calm. I should have expected it.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyhow, I don't know if I should be worried because this talk has been going on for so long. Everybody seems to agree we won't do it now, so why keep talking about it?

I wouldn't say that. Mnemo's has gotten several people talking about a subject, there's information there, now let's look through it. There are still too many quiet villagers, but hey there's been a lot of commenting on Mnemo's plan.

Since she was the originator, I don't see how proposing a controversial idea, while getting lots of comments on it makes someone suspicious. We've been given about as good as info as we can expect to get on Day 1, courtesy of Mnemo. Now look through it and interpret it, because it's not posts and posts about pigs, fools, and feminine wiles.

For the time being, I see Mnemo as kind of the aunt you want to keep at arm's length. She's part of the family, and generally a sweet person, but you're not sure about the true nature of the activities she is up to, so I'm just keeping her at a safe distance for now.

By the way, I wouldn't mind trying her plan once the wolves are down to 1 kill. Two kills complicates everything, and could really make a mess of things, but if one wolf be gone, well it may just be worth it. Maybe it's just me, but the fact is sometimes as a wolf you have to do some real crazy stuff to win, it's no cake walk that's for sure. I think at times we have to do the same, and try out something that seems a little "out there." It could fail stupendously, but it could give us a brilliant and worthy win.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, c'mon, Legate, let's play to win, and debate fairness later, after we have four wolf heads.