TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

autume98 · 08-21-2009, 03:01 PM

Just as I posted I realized that I forgot a point.* Sally did try to get us discussing more trivial matters.* This makes her come across as more wolfish to me.* Eithr way I'm thinking that lynching her may not be a bad idea.*
Also I'm going to have some time where I'm not going to be around tonight. I'm going to have to put in an early vote.* I'll try to come back before DL, but I'm not sure if I'll make it or not due to RL.

Macalaure · 08-21-2009, 03:18 PM

The Voting:

Nessa -> morm - Nessa was basically a no-show yesterDay, and hasn't shown up toDay either. If you're a wolf, and that's how you'd like to win, have it your way. I won't stop you.

Nerwen -> morm - a cobbler's gotta do what a cobbler's gotta do.

Lommy -> Form - still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble?

Mira -> Autume - doesn't follow the herd, but the places she leads herself are strange. Even though her vote is not suspicious, something about her behaviour makes me uneasy.

Form -> morm - very lost in general aspects and completely immersed in the morm-thing. I'm not sure about him anymore and am really, really looking forward to hear what he has to say now.

Autume -> Nienna - a bit too much of a follower there. Originality doesn't hurt, promise.

Nienna -> morm - had to save herself, but her fixation on morm...why? Just... why? *shakes head*

Sally -> morm - almost everything she says is fishy. Don't even understand why she suspects morm.

Placement doesn't really matter, with the exception of Sally's late and Nessa's early vote. I didn't really learn anything new, I have to say.

Order of suspicion:
Sally
Form
Lommy
Mira
Nessa
Nienna
Autume
Nerwen (cobbler=innocent in count)

This list can change substantially once you people actually decide to talk toDay.

One thing, though: Reading over yesterDay, I heard a lot of "morm's role will reveal a lot". I'd very much like to hear what it revealed then. Sally, Lommy, Form, spotlight is yours.

Thinlómien · 08-21-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac

There is no real analysis of votes, and only profiling over the kills, which is nice, but lacking in case of the wolves.

I just realised I can't profile the wolves before looking at Rikae. I'm not sure if I can do that toDay, because I have guests, but if I'm alive toMorrow, I can do it if I don't manage it now. (And the guests - Legate and Aganzir - send greetings to all of you.

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There is no mention of an increased likelihood of wolves among the morm-waggoners (Mira's "throwaway" is really your greatest problem?), and apart from Form (of who I still don't understand why she was so easy to be convinced of by me yesterDay), she only suspects non-morm-voters Autume and Mira. In fact, she defends the morm-voters by saying that she might've voted him, too.

I can't see why the morm-wagon was more suspicious than the Nienna-wagon and I'm not defending those who voted morm, I just think it's not my place to criticise those votes because I wanted to vote him too. Which should make perfect sense. (And as for Form, you seemed to have brought up points I had ignored and even if I didn't write it down on the thread, I had my own vague wolf-suspicions of him before, so you just strenghtened it.)

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She still hasn't explained why morm ended up so high in her list based on her previous analysis, for it maketh no sense.

I did explain it in the post! Should I quote? His interactions with Alona were really fishy! I must admit I was as stupid as to forget/ not think about the fact that he was the counter-wagon for Alona (which btw did NOT prove his innocence, maybe just made it more probable).

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Originally Posted by Mac

still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble?

Yeah, I was trying to offer an alternative lead. Sadly, I didn't (and don't) have time to analyse the votes properly, and as you can see, from what I managed to look at I wasn't able to conclude (almost) anything.

Why are you so aggressive against me, Mac? Worried because someone has finally realised that you are the bear?

autume98 · 08-21-2009, 05:24 PM

I'm hoping to be back before DL, but in the off-chance that I'm not I'm putting my vote in now.

++Form

Macalaure · 08-21-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lommy

I can't see why the morm-wagon was more suspicious than the Nienna-wagon

What about the fact that it contained three known innocents?

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Originally Posted by Lommy

I just think it's not my place to criticise those votes because I wanted to vote him too.

That ranks among the lamest excuses I've heard so far.

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Which should make perfect sense.

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

His interactions with Alona were really fishy!

But they were not! Why do you insist on it?

I was here waiting for the first person to say "but morm was so suspicious!", and you just won the prize. And don't say "but I asked why".

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Originally Posted by Lommy

Why are you so aggressive against me, Mac?

I'm aggressive against everybody toDay, you just posted more than others, so you're at the receiving end of more. The village has come to a population where you can efficiently call the nonsense others post and aren't suffocated by the sheer mass of it.

Also, Rikae and morm are dead, and somebody has to do the job of irritating people.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

Worried because someone has finally realised that you are the bear?

No, because you're the first to suggest that now (beyond the logical possibility).

Anyway, this last comment made me pretty sure that you are up to no good. Everybody thinks I'm innocent, so playing up the possibility that I'm the bear is the only way you can try to distract people from suspecting you by throwing out counter-suspicion. And let's see: irony, rhetoric question, kneejerkiness - yep, it's all there.

edit: crossed with Autume, which reminds me: Where is Form?

satansaloser2005 · 08-21-2009, 05:37 PM

I don't understand why Mac's being so aggressive either. I don't think it's necessarily evil and that's why it bothers me; I don't feel comfortable voting him (at least not without looking at him a lot more) but at the same time I don't like the way he's acting. (And I of course, as always, mean that in an in-game way. Love you, Mac!

) I think I'll get back to looking at Nessa.

Oh, and Mac, what's 'doof' mean? Or can you not tell me on here?

ETA: Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above.

Thinlómien · 08-21-2009, 06:30 PM

Mac, I only made the last comment to see your reaction. To be honest, I think the bear is Form, not you. The wolves are probably Sally and Mira, and the cobbler is Nerwen. But anyway, about your reaction - it wasn't exactly innocent-looking to jump on it like that... but that doesn't still change what I said about the roles earlier in this paragraph.

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Originally Posted by Mac

What about the fact that it contained three known innocents?

And? By mathematical odds there are three innocents among the morm-voters too.

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Originally Posted by Mac

But they were not! Why do you insist on it?

Because they were! 1) she was looking for cover/advice from him 2) when she was accused of it, she accused morm of the same 3) he ignored her 4) until she became such a hot topic that he couldn't and then he started suspecting her. That IS fishy to my eyes. It has been proven the interactions were innocent from his part but it didn't look like that.

And lastly, I can't see what is so bad about questioning a consensus (about your innocence).

I'm going now and won't be back. I won't change my vote, it will stay and be for Form. Choose wisely. Aganzir blows kisses to everybody and especially to the Celibateman.

And she says Legate sends French kisses but he disagrees and says he's just sending greetings (or hugs, because sending greetings again would be boring)...

Formendacil · 08-21-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

edit: crossed with Autume, which reminds me: Where is Form?

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Originally Posted by Sally

Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above.

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Originally Posted by Lommy

Aganzir blows kisses to everybody and especially to the Celibateman. And she says Legate sends French kisses but he disagrees and says he's just sending greetings (or hugs, because sending greetings again would be boring)...

Awww!

The love and concern is greatly appreciated, especially at the end of a week that's been a bit of a catastrophe as it's wound down.

Anyway, I'm around now--at least until my brother kicks me off the computer (I'm home with the family for the weekend before I go back to school next week, and subject to such dictatorial whims--it's also why I've not been on yet).

Formendacil · 08-21-2009, 06:51 PM

Okay, so I've read up on the thread, but I've not taken it in, in detail. After Morm's most unfortunate turning out to be an Ordo--and extra-Downsian concerns that have my brain elsewhere--I'm kind of at a loss. I meant it when I said my fortunes rode on the outcome of his death. So as soon as the results came up that he was an Ordo, well, I kind of just assumed I was going to die toDay--which I assure you is an undermotivating reason to get back and keep up with the game.

But I'm here now, and I should be around for another hour or two, at least (the odds increase the later it gets that my brother will want the computer). So I'll try to engage myself and be useful...

Formendacil · 08-21-2009, 07:06 PM

Okay, so one thing that did register with me in my read-through is that Mac wants to know why Morm looked suspicious. As someone who thought so, I'll do my best to explain, granting, however, that I'm not looking back over the thread, so this is completely what I remember, from the lazy perspective of someone who's not planning to back himself up with arguments posted somewhere.

Anyway...

You'll remember that Morm started this whole nonsense that I'm the Bear. I think that was Day 3, though the Days kind of blend together. If it was, then it was also Day 3 that saw Lommy agree with him, and the two of them cast the lone votes for me. My suspicion of Morm is rooted then, in Day 3, in his suspicion of me, for the simple reason that the one person I know to be Innocent--me--has been set on by him.

Unlike Lommy, however, Morm's suspicion of me was not laid out in a clear, easy to follow manner. Lommy's suspicion--though obviously wrong--was at least laid out with evidence from the thread... but with Morm, he had merely mentioned a couple of times earlier in the Day that he thought I was suspicious, but he definitely seemed to think that other people were more suspicious than me. Then--out of the blue, before I'd been online yet for the day--he posts a one-paragraph post changing tacks completely, and votes for me. Someone--I think it was Autume posted an analysis of Morm right after that, and had the same perception of this that I did.

After that, I guess, it was mostly a case of Morm doggedly suspecting me--with about as much reason for suspecting me ever given as has been alleged I gave for suspecting him. Lommy's suspicion of me, indeed Mac's suspicion of me yesterDay, were at least grounded in arguments I could follow, even if I disputed them. Morm? He basically kept reiterating that I had to be the Bear, and that was that. So, knowing myself innocent, and finding Morm implacably belligerent, I concluded that he was a Bear--or at least a wolf.

EDIT: Crossposted with Sally fake-voting me (you have to highlight your vote, dear) and Mac, telling me to be useful.

satansaloser2005 · 08-21-2009, 06:55 PM

*hugs Form*

Really though, dear, we just wanted you around when we did this.

++Form

I just realized that 1/3 of the village is evil. (Not including the cobbler.) They're not all on the same team but still. Here's my thoughts on how the village is split, or at least how I think it works out trying to get it into correct numbers.

Baddies
Nessa
Nienna
Formie (?)
Tum (?)

Goodies
Sally (of course!)
Mac
Lommie
Mira
Nerwen (?)

I've actually forgotten several times that Mira's in this game. She's up for a look see after I (finally) get done with Nessa.

EDIT: x'd with Formie's last
EDIT #2: my list was parceled out to include the cobbler in the baddie category, in case you didn't realize

Macalaure · 08-21-2009, 07:00 PM

Form, if you're innocent, please stop whining about how you're going to die and get to work figuring out the wolves and bear. Savvy?

08-21-2009, 03:01 PM	#1
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	Just as I posted I realized that I forgot a point.* Sally did try to get us discussing more trivial matters.* This makes her come across as more wolfish to me.* Eithr way I'm thinking that lynching her may not be a bad idea.* Also I'm going to have some time where I'm not going to be around tonight. I'm going to have to put in an early vote.* I'll try to come back before DL, but I'm not sure if I'll make it or not due to RL. __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

08-21-2009, 05:24 PM	#4
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	I'm hoping to be back before DL, but in the off-chance that I'm not I'm putting my vote in now. ++Form __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

08-21-2009, 05:37 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I don't understand why Mac's being so aggressive either. I don't think it's necessarily evil and that's why it bothers me; I don't feel comfortable voting him (at least not without looking at him a lot more) but at the same time I don't like the way he's acting. (And I of course, as always, mean that in an in-game way. Love you, Mac!) I think I'll get back to looking at Nessa. Oh, and Mac, what's 'doof' mean? Or can you not tell me on here? ETA: Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-21-2009, 06:51 PM	#9
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Okay, so I've read up on the thread, but I've not taken it in, in detail. After Morm's most unfortunate turning out to be an Ordo--and extra-Downsian concerns that have my brain elsewhere--I'm kind of at a loss. I meant it when I said my fortunes rode on the outcome of his death. So as soon as the results came up that he was an Ordo, well, I kind of just assumed I was going to die toDay--which I assure you is an undermotivating reason to get back and keep up with the game. But I'm here now, and I should be around for another hour or two, at least (the odds increase the later it gets that my brother will want the computer). So I'll try to engage myself and be useful... __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

08-21-2009, 07:06 PM	#10
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Okay, so one thing that did register with me in my read-through is that Mac wants to know why Morm looked suspicious. As someone who thought so, I'll do my best to explain, granting, however, that I'm not looking back over the thread, so this is completely what I remember, from the lazy perspective of someone who's not planning to back himself up with arguments posted somewhere. Anyway... You'll remember that Morm started this whole nonsense that I'm the Bear. I think that was Day 3, though the Days kind of blend together. If it was, then it was also Day 3 that saw Lommy agree with him, and the two of them cast the lone votes for me. My suspicion of Morm is rooted then, in Day 3, in his suspicion of me, for the simple reason that the one person I know to be Innocent--me--has been set on by him. Unlike Lommy, however, Morm's suspicion of me was not laid out in a clear, easy to follow manner. Lommy's suspicion--though obviously wrong--was at least laid out with evidence from the thread... but with Morm, he had merely mentioned a couple of times earlier in the Day that he thought I was suspicious, but he definitely seemed to think that other people were more suspicious than me. Then--out of the blue, before I'd been online yet for the day--he posts a one-paragraph post changing tacks completely, and votes for me. Someone--I think it was Autume posted an analysis of Morm right after that, and had the same perception of this that I did. After that, I guess, it was mostly a case of Morm doggedly suspecting me--with about as much reason for suspecting me ever given as has been alleged I gave for suspecting him. Lommy's suspicion of me, indeed Mac's suspicion of me yesterDay, were at least grounded in arguments I could follow, even if I disputed them. Morm? He basically kept reiterating that I had to be the Bear, and that was that. So, knowing myself innocent, and finding Morm implacably belligerent, I concluded that he was a Bear--or at least a wolf. EDIT: Crossposted with Sally fake-voting me (you have to highlight your vote, dear) and Mac, telling me to be useful. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

08-21-2009, 03:18 PM	#2
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	The Voting: Nessa -> morm - Nessa was basically a no-show yesterDay, and hasn't shown up toDay either. If you're a wolf, and that's how you'd like to win, have it your way. I won't stop you. Nerwen -> morm - a cobbler's gotta do what a cobbler's gotta do. Lommy -> Form - still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble? Mira -> Autume - doesn't follow the herd, but the places she leads herself are strange. Even though her vote is not suspicious, something about her behaviour makes me uneasy. Form -> morm - very lost in general aspects and completely immersed in the morm-thing. I'm not sure about him anymore and am really, really looking forward to hear what he has to say now. Autume -> Nienna - a bit too much of a follower there. Originality doesn't hurt, promise. Nienna -> morm - had to save herself, but her fixation on morm...why? Just... why? shakes head Sally -> morm - almost everything she says is fishy. Don't even understand why she suspects morm. Placement doesn't really matter, with the exception of Sally's late and Nessa's early vote. I didn't really learn anything new, I have to say. Order of suspicion: Sally Form Lommy Mira Nessa Nienna Autume Nerwen (cobbler=innocent in count) This list can change substantially once you people actually decide to talk toDay. One thing, though: Reading over yesterDay, I heard a lot of "morm's role will reveal a lot". I'd very much like to hear what it revealed then. Sally, Lommy, Form, spotlight is yours.

08-21-2009, 06:55 PM	#11
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	hugs Form Really though, dear, we just wanted you around when we did this. ++Form I just realized that 1/3 of the village is evil. (Not including the cobbler.) They're not all on the same team but still. Here's my thoughts on how the village is split, or at least how I think it works out trying to get it into correct numbers. Baddies Nessa Nienna Formie (?) Tum (?) Goodies Sally (of course!) Mac Lommie Mira Nerwen (?) I've actually forgotten several times that Mira's in this game. She's up for a look see after I (finally) get done with Nessa. EDIT: x'd with Formie's last EDIT #2: my list was parceled out to include the cobbler in the baddie category, in case you didn't realize __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

08-21-2009, 07:00 PM	#12
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Form, if you're innocent, please stop whining about how you're going to die and get to work figuring out the wolves and bear. Savvy?