TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Rikae]

Morm, I think we have plenty of leads toDay without the gifteds revealing.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Morm, I think we have plenty of leads toDay without the gifteds revealing.

Fair enough, when the plan came to me it was much better because I figured the ranger would be alive and the the BFF's could reveal and at the time I assumed I would be attacked and protected...

Now why would the bear go for Shasta? It seems that he stays on the fringes and I think he got lucky with the ranger kill and didn't peg Shasta as gifted.

[Rikae]

Morm, using the gifteds as known innocents would make a lot more sense if/when the village is smaller and we have no clue who the remaining baddie/s are. Having them reveal toDay would be a total waste.

EDIT: X'd with morm (and my previous post x'd with several people, too).

[satansaloser2005]

Well the hunter is still useful (unless they're revealed, because then the wolves/bear will avoid them like the plague) but the BFFs? If one reveals they're dead toNight. The other reveals toMorrow and they're gone too. Sad but true.

[Macalaure]

Just a quick post now, since it's bedtime for me soon and I'll be gone for much of toMorrow.

It is entirely possible that the wolves considered Alona to be a goner (she's been under suspicion from almost the beginning on) and voted for her. It is also possible that morm is evil. However, let's not think about those possibilities now and instead ask the questions which of the morm-voters, plus Lommy and Nessa, looks most evil.

Nessa no-voted almost at the same time Alona did. I somehow doubt that two wolves would have tried the same trick at once. Of course, this does not rule out cobblery, and especially not bear-y.

As I said yesterDay, Sally was too happy. I don't think a wolf-Sally would have been so cheerful while a companion went down the plank. Of course, what holds for Nessa, holds for Sally, too (bear, cobbler).

I get more and more cobblerish vibes from Nerwen.

I used to trust Nienna, Autume, and Mira, but I might have to make up my mind.

I don't have any extra comment about Lommy, except that she's suspicious, but that isn't new.


I don't know how morm's so sure he has been protected. If so, the wolves probably think he's the bear and we should really give his voters the bad-cop treatment (since they probably tried to get him lynched), but there are other scenarios (as has been said, any Alona-voter made a good pick), not to mention the possibility that Shasta could have been just lucky (or the wolves unlucky). I don't see how we should benefit from the assumption anyway, considering that we have a cobbler and especially a bear. Shasta might have protected an evil one.

I also don't see the benefit of morm's plan. Only one of the BFFs can reveal, and he's probably the one we can be most certain of, since he has probably left a clue as to who the other one is. If the gifteds don't reveal their roles, this advantage isn't there, and we will have three claimed gifteds, one of which is the cobbler. If they reveal their roles, since we lack a ranger now, the two BFFs are probably dead within one night, two at most, and then bear and wolves may wonder which is the cobbler and which the hunter (or even decide to leave them alive). I do see the benefit of known innocents, but if we use them now, we'll waste them.


Another question, why did the bear kill Shasta? Did he do anything yesterDay that pointed toward giftedness? I'd need to check, but I don't think so. Hakon, Brinn, and Shasta... does anybody see a pattern?


And seriously, when I started writing this, I was sure it would only be a short, quick post.

[mormegil]

Please pay attention everybody...

When I proposed my plan I thought the BFF's could reveal together, they can't I was wrong. Being that my plan was based on that assumption it makes less sense once that is removed. My plan is flawed I admit, it sounded better in my head and when I thought the BFF's could reveal.

The great part of all of this, is if you leave me alive today, which I would advise, the wolves are still going to consider me the bear, or a likely candidate and kill me tonight only to find out I'm an ordo but they won't believe me even as I tell them I'm a wasted kill. If you want the bear kill Formendacil.

[Durelin]

Hah. I completely forgot about autum...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by morm

When I proposed my plan I thought the BFF's could reveal together, they can't I was wrong.

That is not the only flaw in your proposed plan, morm.

Originally Posted by morm

If you want the bear kill Formendacil.

Then why did you retract your vote for him yesterDay, after you received support against him from Lommy?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

That is not the only flaw in your proposed plan, morm.

Never said it was, in fact I admitted a flaw when I proposed it as well.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Then why did you retract your vote for him yesterDay, after you received support against him from Lommy?

Two reasons, I'm still not certain of his guilt, my case was fairly weak, but he fits the bill for the profile I've formed and most importantly, self-preservation and the vote was for somebody I suspected.

You seem awfully ready to attack the plan Durelin, why? Just because I propose for the gifteds to possibly reveal themselves doesn't mean it's going to happen, it's to give the idea and see what happens.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by morm

You seem awfully ready to attack the plan Durelin, why?

Because I find you suspicious for your suggestion of it, and would like to see you defend it in order to get a better feel for you.

And why am I attacking you rather vehemently? Because you suggested that the only reason anyone here disagrees with you is because we're not as intelligent as the phantom.

Shocked?

[Nerwen]

...seoreh nellaf owT .esruoc fo ,mroN dnA ?atsahS tuoba das ti t'nsI !egalliv ,olleH

Originally Posted by mormegil

You can't be certain Durelin, but assume for a moment I am not a wolf, would I be a likely wolf target?

Yes, but only one of several.

Originally Posted by mormegil

You seem awfully ready to attack the plan Durelin, why? Just because I propose for the gifteds to possibly reveal themselves doesn't mean it's going to happen, it's to give the idea and see what happens.

Why are you still arguing this point, Morm? They can't reveal at the same time, remember? It doesn't matter whether your plan is good, bad, or indifferent– we can't do it.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Because I find you suspicious for your suggestion of it, and would like to see you defend it in order to get a better feel for you.

And why am I attacking you rather vehemently? Because you suggested that the only reason anyone here disagrees with you is because we're not as intelligent as the phantom.

Shocked?

So that's the real issue then? You felt I insulted your intelligence. I can assure you it was not meant as such. I meant more that this scheme would be to his liking and tactics. Not that he's more intelligent and therefore would understand it.

Nerwen, they can't both revel themselves? Huh, that's odd because I think I've mentioned that I realize that now. *sigh*

This is the problem with proposing any plan, somebody puts himself out there and tries to help out and it backfires nearly every time. Everybody jumps up and down pointing a finger..."Hey he said we should do something that I don't agree with he must be evil....KILL HIM!!!" Good mob mentality at work and all the while the real baddies are slipping through cracks and I'm forced to defend and redefend my position.

[Boromir88]

Memo to self: Next time morm is involved in a tie...keep flipping the coin until it lands on the side that kills him.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Memo to self: Next time morm is involved in a tie...keep flipping the coin until it lands on the side that kills him.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition....