TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

#466
"I think Pitchwife panicked, to be quite honest. I'm more inclined to believe cobblery or bear-ery (?) from Hakon than Pitchwife."

No brownie points for thinking Pitch was innocent?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Makes the odd statement that we "gave the wolves too much" on Day 1, thinks they jumped on the bandwagons. Makes the also-odd statement that she voted for Hakon because he was abusing newbie errors "a mistake that both Rikae and I made". Not sure what she means - I didn't vote for that reason or say that about anyone - and it gives me an odd feeling of having someone ride my coattails or something. Nessa one to watch, the more traps the better.

The reason I've been seeming to fly under the radar is because there was so much posting to wade through during Day 1. It made it hard for me to go back and try to sniff out someone who was consistently seeming suspicious to me, which is why I didn't post as much. Day 2 is easier because I'm around more and don't have work, but I am trying to hold my own in the debate now (I hope).

Originally Posted by Rikae

Votes morm for "hiding behind a vote" - care to explain a little more, alona? I don't quite understand this.

He says you two seem the most suspicious, so votes for you. And then he says that Mira seems cobblerish? Why not vote for her? I won't say anymore until he gets back, though, to give him a chance to answer, too.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Alona -
I'm not sure - somewhat suspicious, at least. I get a weird feeling of trying to be super-friendly and gain allies from her, and a sense she's somehow trying to associate herself with me (in the "Rikae made the same mistake") - I find myself wondering if she's a mistaken cobbler who thinks I'm a wolf...? Could be a newbie wolf or bear trying to be too likable to suspect... or it could just be her style.

I think Lari can back me up on this, if you ask her - I am a newbie at this, and as such, feel rather sad when I get votes. I just thought it nice that someone defended me, that's all. And now the votes are gathering for you and Mira - when I don't suspect either of you much of cobblery/wolvery/bear-ery - I feel I should try to stop another lynching that would put our numbers down.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by alonariel

No brownie points for thinking Pitch was innocent?

Actually... a wolf would have more reason to think that than anyone else.

Originally Posted by alona

The reason I've been seeming to fly under the radar is because there was so much posting to wade through during Day 1. It made it hard for me to go back and try to sniff out someone who was consistently seeming suspicious to me, which is why I didn't post as much. Day 2 is easier because I'm around more and don't have work, but I am trying to hold my own in the debate now (I hope).

Fair enough. I wasn't really accusing you of posting too little, anyway, but just saying you were flying under my radar - that is to say, I hadn't been able to form an opinion on you because I'd focused on the controversial people/the people suspecting me etc.

Originally Posted by alona

I think Lari can back me up on this, if you ask her - I am a newbie at this, and as such, feel rather sad when I get votes. I just thought it nice that someone defended me, that's all. And now the votes are gathering for you and Mira - when I don't suspect either of you much of cobblery/wolvery/bear-ery - I feel I should try to stop another lynching that would put our numbers down.

I can understand that. I'm an "old" player (well, middle-aged to the likes of Form, Fea and Lommy), and I still don't like being voted for. That said, though, I defend people because I think the accusation is flawed, not to be nice (I like lots of people here, in fact, I married one, but I don't hesitate to accuse them when they look suspicious ).

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Actually... a wolf would have more reason to think that than anyone else.

I still feel crappy about losing a Seer, so my joy is short-lived. I just hope I can help derail a bandwaggon that might possibly kill another on of our gifteds in the future. I'm not sure how good I am at guessing people's roles - either just from feeling, or from clues they might leave. Again, still very new at all of this.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I can understand that. I'm an "old" player (well, middle-aged to the likes of Form, Fea and Lommy), and I still don't like being voted for. That said, though, I defend people because I think the accusation is flawed, not to be nice (I like lots of people here, in fact, I married one, but I don't hesitate to accuse them when they look suspicious ).

Understood, about pointing out flawed accusations. And I've heard - about the little Wereduckling too! Happy for ya

[autume98]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I'm not sure how good I am at guessing people's roles - either just from feeling, or from clues they might leave. Again, still very new at all of this.

Alona I couldn't have said it better. I feel exactly the same way.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by autume98

Alona I couldn't have said it better. I feel exactly the same way.

It's the sad truth, huh? But I'm glad someone's on - I've got several hours of nothing to do until the deadline.

[autume98]

Here are my thoughts so far:

alonariel- Right now she is not on my suspect list.
Brinn- Don't have an opinion at this time.
Durelin- Haven't heard much from so don't know what to think, and I've never played with before.
Inziladun- Don't agree with everything he says, but that's not a reason to lynch him. I will be keeping an eye on him though.
Lommy- I don't know well enough to form an opinion. Also my first time playing with Lommy.
Macalaure- Has made some good points. So for right now is not on my suspect list
Mira- Keeping an eye on. I don't have enough to put her on my suspect list. However her comment earlier does make me feel a little unsettled, but it could just have been an innocent slip.
morm- It's my first time playing with morm. I didn't see anything that stood out.
Nerwen- Was happy to see posts no longer written backwards, however I do like the occasional heading with backwards words. Other than that nothing has stood out so far.
Nessa- I don't have anything that stands out with Nessa.
Nienna- I don't really have anything that stands out with Nienna eihter. She seems to be ok.
Rikae- So far I've agreed with what she has said. She seems to be making sense to me. I do know she has a reputation, which would be why I wouldn't trust her.
sally- I don't think she's suspicious at this time. It will be nice to hear from her when she gets back, I know she said she was going to be with her mom today.
Shasta- Not sure what to think. Another person I'm going to be keeping an eye on.
the phantom- not really sure what to think at this time. I could see him being both good or evil. Someone I'll be keeping a close eye on.

So with the Hakon/Pitchwife votes:

Originally Posted by [B

Nienna[/B]]Hakon voters:
-Morm
-Alona
-Sally
-Autume (later retracted and sealed Pitchwife’s demise)

Pitchwife voters
-Shasta
-Rikae
-Nienna
-Hakon
-Autume

The only person that has really stood out from this group for me is Shasta. Even then it's not a lot to go on. Basically he voted first for Pitchwife because of his first post and then today he has voted for Mira for pointing out gifteds. Really don't feel comfortable thought voting for him at this point.

So that pretty much leaves me with a whole lot of nothing. Guess I'll have to go back and do some more analyzing.

Edit: x'ed with two Alona and Phantom posts and a Sally post

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by alonariel

And I've heard - about the little Wereduckling too! Happy for ya

Thanks!

Now, I've just seen a couple things that make me uneasy or just make me go "huh?":

- phantom is repeating what I said again. Not that what I said doesn't make sense, but I kind of would expect phantom to have something new to contribute, if you know what I mean.

- autume made a list in which she basically said she has no idea about anyone (except Mac, alona, Sally and Nienna, who are unsuspicious for no particular reason). What is that supposed to accomplish...??

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

- alona still pushing the theory the bear killed Hakon out of annoyance, and seems to be drawing on things in the admin thread (things, incidentally, which should never have been posted, being against the rules, but which are irrelevant anyway, since the dead don't gain any special information). If there's a setup going on, that would appear to be an attempt to complete it. I don't think I need to say why the "angry bear" theory is off the wall - I wouldn't insult any player here by saying that they were irrational enough to do such a thing in the precarious position of a lone bear... but yeah. It seems to keep coming up, and it looks oddly planned. Like someone behind the scenes gave instructions to that effect or something.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

Just a really quick stop-in (we haz FIRE!!!) before supper.

Mostly just keeping up-to-date with the discussion, but the above-quoted comment of Rikae's seems spot-on to me. And it is eerie, but I'm wondering to what extent it's not just the fact that they aren't both relatively new, talk about as much, both have names starting in "A," and have yet to distinguish themselves properly in my mind?

That being said, they DID reinforce it themselves with Alona's explanation of herself being picked up on by Tum as "yes, exactly."

Still... this need not mean anything. I really can't see them both being wolves on the strength of it, and it seems clumsy for one wolf to draw that kind of attention to herself--and though new, neither of these girls seems that clumsy.

Not certain of anything on the basis of it... but, yes, I agree with Rikae that it seems a bit odd.

[Rikae]

Well, I definitely don't think they're sheriffs, at any rate.

EDIT: X'd with alona, replying to Form.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

We've got being newbies to bond over, I guess. Other than that, all I know of her is that she's Sally's friend (I'm pretty sure).

Originally Posted by Rikae

- alona still pushing the theory the bear killed Hakon out of annoyance, and seems to be drawing on things in the admin thread (things, incidentally, which should never have been posted, being against the rules, but which are irrelevant anyway, since the dead don't gain any special information). If there's a setup going on, that would appear to be an attempt to complete it. I don't think I need to say why the "angry bear" theory is off the wall - I wouldn't insult any player here by saying that they were irrational enough to do such a thing in the precarious position of a lone bear... but yeah. It seems to keep coming up, and it looks oddly planned. Like someone behind the scenes gave instructions to that effect or something.

I posted my theories about the bear out of boredom, really. I've been home since about 1pm pst with nothing to do, looked over old posts, found Sally's questions about the bear (and her request to be analyzed by Mira), and just thought it would help and give something for me to do.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now, I've just seen a couple things that make me uneasy or just make me go "huh?":

- autume made a list in which she basically said she has no idea about anyone (except Mac, alona, Sally and Nienna, who are unsuspicious for no particular reason). What is that supposed to accomplish...??

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

Well I made a list trying to help me figure out where I stand with people, and at the same time letting others know where I stand. As for the four you mentioned. I was just pointing out that I don't find them highly suspicious. Obviously everyone is suspicous. These ones just haven't tipped off my radar. Hope that helps. Not sure what you're looking for.

As for alona and I being buddy-buddy, I can say that it's nice having someone else who's new on the board as well. So I just replied letting her know that's how I felt too.

Edit: x-ed with Form, Alona, and Rikae

[Rikae]

autume, what I want to know is why you find those people innocentish (for example).

[Rikae]

Calling two people "Tum" is slightly confusing...

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

autume, what I want to know is why you find those people innocentish (for example).

Mac - Well he hasn't said anything that has thrown me off. He's asked some good questions. I have noticed that he's gone under most of people's radar. However he really hasn't done or said anything to attract a lot of attention.

alona - Maybe it has to do with us both being newbies. I see where she's coming from a lot of the time.

sally - I know a lot of people are suspicious of her just for being her. It seems there are quite a lot of people on the board like that. You just don't trust them. I guess she hasn't done anything to make my gut flare up. Maybe not the answer you want, but it is the answer I've got.

Nienna - I appreciate the fact that she wanted to know about my vote. Even though I had posted it awhile back. It seems as though she just overlooked that post. She apologized and all is good. I guess that just put her in a good standing for the time being. Can't say it'll stay that way, but for the time being she is ok.