TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 11:31 AM

phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil. If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself... well, let me put it this way:
either you are a liar or you're crazy. I know from past experience you aren't crazy, therefore you must be a liar.
The option that you are God is not viable in this case.

satansaloser2005 · 08-13-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil. If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself... well, let me put it this way:
either you are a liar or you're crazy. I know from past experience you aren't crazy, therefore you must be a liar.
The option that you are God is not viable in this case.

I wish I hadn't repped you so recently, because that last bit is gold.

And Phantom is crazy, remember? Even when he's an ordo. Doesn't mean I trust him, but I know he's a nutjob so I'm not going to automatically assume he's going to drive down here and kill me in my sleep. At least not tonight; I won't be home.

the phantom · 08-13-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Doktor

phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil.

And what exactly would we stand to gain by suggesting that the Bear kill Villains? Being evil has nothing to do with this.

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Originally Posted by Doktor

If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself...

You may think our idea is pointless, but your objections are certainly just as pointless. Call it even then.

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Originally Posted by Doktor

The option that you are God is not viable in this case.

That's what you think.

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Originally Posted by MQ Girl

I'm not going to automatically assume he's going to drive down here and kill me in my sleep.

Quite right, so be nice.

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Originally Posted by Inzil

Agreeing with phantom makes me uneasy, but in this case I do. What did he really say at the beginning, but 'Hey Bear, you might want to help us out a bit in looking for wolves; after all they're looking to kill you too'?
If the bear agrees, fine. If not, we'll just have to deal with it.
I don't see the problem.

Yay, Inzil.

the phantom · 08-13-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Foot Man

I don't think a vote for Fea is a wise thing to do and it will quickly make me suspicious for anybody that does vote for her.

Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way.

I admit that it would be somewhat cowardly, but surely you can understand the urge that an innocent might have to cut losses? It's not playing properly perhaps, but to say that it is actually suspicious...

Is it any worse than a ++no vote?

satansaloser2005 · 08-13-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way.

I admit that it would be somewhat cowardly, but surely you can understand the urge that an innocent might have to cut losses? It's not playing properly perhaps, but to say that it is actually suspicious...

Is it any worse than a ++no vote?

Fair point, actually. But I think it'd be weird. Just sayin'. I mean I'm not going to vote you for it, but I'm not supporting it either.

Anyway, back to business. I have to vote in like an hour. Someone give me a reason not to vote Hakon.

mormegil · 08-13-2009, 11:48 AM

It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide.

the phantom · 08-13-2009, 11:54 AM

Ah, so it's mainly the lack of an evidence trail that you don't like. I see.

I agree with that, but I'm also the paranoid type who fears the worst.

In WW III for instance I suggested that some Ordo volunteer to be lynched due to the fact that we had a host of useful gifteds that could win the game for us and I didn't want them dead immediately.

No one volunteered and my idea was looked at as being very suspicious.

We lynched our Ranger Day 1.

Anyway, I'm not saying lynching Fea is the best option, but what if we were to make sure she had at least a couple votes? That way if, near the deadline, the person who moves into the lead says, "No, I'm the Ranger!" and is sufficiently believable, we have an alternate target to pour our votes onto without the fear that we're switching from the Ranger to the Seer (or being fooled by a baddie).

I doubt I'll actually vote for her, but I wouldn't be opposed to her gaining two votes or so.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way.

I admit that it would be somewhat cowardly, but surely you can understand the urge that an innocent might have to cut losses? It's not playing properly perhaps, but to say that it is actually suspicious...

Is it any worse than a ++no vote?

You've seen me argue for just that before, I think - but in this case, this innocent has a far stronger urge to reduce the baddies' numbers as soon as possible. Perhaps it's because I think we have a good chance of lynching one toDay, for some reason... though I can't quite say why.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

You've seen me argue for just that before, I think - but in this case, this innocent has a far stronger urge to reduce the baddies' numbers as soon as possible. Perhaps it's because I think we have a good chance of lynching one toDay, for some reason... though I can't quite say why.

Maybe its because in the last two games a werewolf was lynched on day one. Let us hope it is the same here.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Maybe its because in the last two games a werewolf was lynched on day one. Let us hope it is the same here.

Well, I wasn't in the last game, but in this game we have, first of all, lots of baddies, which increases the odds of getting one by pure chance, and the surveys, which, if we could get off of this bear topic, could be very helpful.

08-13-2009, 11:48 AM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

08-13-2009, 11:54 AM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Ah, so it's mainly the lack of an evidence trail that you don't like. I see. I agree with that, but I'm also the paranoid type who fears the worst. In WW III for instance I suggested that some Ordo volunteer to be lynched due to the fact that we had a host of useful gifteds that could win the game for us and I didn't want them dead immediately. No one volunteered and my idea was looked at as being very suspicious. We lynched our Ranger Day 1. Anyway, I'm not saying lynching Fea is the best option, but what if we were to make sure she had at least a couple votes? That way if, near the deadline, the person who moves into the lead says, "No, I'm the Ranger!" and is sufficiently believable, we have an alternate target to pour our votes onto without the fear that we're switching from the Ranger to the Seer (or being fooled by a baddie). I doubt I'll actually vote for her, but I wouldn't be opposed to her gaining two votes or so. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-13-2009, 11:31 AM	#1
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil. If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself... well, let me put it this way: either you are a liar or you're crazy. I know from past experience you aren't crazy, therefore you must be a liar. The option that you are God is not viable in this case.