Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXIX: Were-Librarians

[Boromir88]

Form, I wanted to show I really was eating Mac and Cheese, no secrets or tricks in there, and to try and get through Mac's stubborn-ness. Because well, I think he's innocent, and just barking up the wrong tree.

This is a matter I take to heart when my honor is at stake, if you want to read through Fea's republic, I got very touchy with other people for the very thing...for which I apologized for, but it's frustrating when I don't think others 'get me.'

Mac says what I do is dangerous to the gifteds, but I disagree. I've tried to look like the seer many many times when I'm an ordo, because that is my way of trying to draw the wolves away from the real seer. When it's successful I'm very happy, and if it's not I would argue I don't put the real seer in danger at all. No seer has complained about what I do, and it continues to be successful to me, so I continue to do it. When it's not I'll admit it...no problem with saying I fail.

With the Ranger thing, I stated my reasons in this thread, so I won't repeat them.

Now...

Mac, I think his attacks on me are a misled innocent. For the most part, as I stated earlier I agreed with his analysis, besides a few people. All I can say is I think he's being entirely unreasonable towards me, but can't realy fault him, as I'm so darn stubborn too.

For now, I believe Nerwen, Shasta, and Nienna are innocent. For reasons stated earlier, mainly the sally votes...wouldn't put it past a wolf-on-wolf, but today there are better leads (which I will get into below).

I'm watching Hakon, but for today the sally vote makes him look innocent.

autume and Brinn are no where to be found. Brinn stated she would be less active at least the first couple days, but there is no reason to believe she will not make an appearance, and for now I will grant her time to 'hear more.'

I'm growing more wary of alonariel, based on the jump against me. Her post saying I was too defensive, and backing away by almost saying it was no big deal looks wolvish. Form has attempted to play the moderator between us...which makes him look innocent, because any wolf would like to see two heavy weights duke it out. Could be what a wolf-Form expects me to think, but I'm more suspicious of alonariel's apparent support for Mac, but then trying to pass it off as just innocent questions for me and Hakon.

If I haven't mentioned you above, I simply haven't remembered and haven't been giving much thought about you...so basically neutral.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Form, I wanted to show I really was eating Mac and Cheese, no secrets or tricks in there, and to try and get through Mac's stubborn-ness. Because well, I think he's innocent, and just barking up the wrong tree.

I understand this... the mac and cheese thing was purely a slip of the fingers, completely and utterly unrelated to the game. It's just the energy of the matter that has me thinking.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

This is a matter I take to heart when my honor is at stake, if you want to read through Fea's republic, I got very touchy with other people for the very thing...for which I apologized for, but it's frustrating when I don't think others 'get me.'

Your point, about actively flushing out the wolves is well taken. I have no issue with the point, from a purely philosophical standpoint. The thing is, though, I'm also a philosopher enough to admit to myself that I can't tell any difference between a worked up Boromir who's innocent, and a lupine Boromir who might be leading us down the garden path.

For what it's worth, I don't think you're a wolf, and since I do incline to think Brinn is a wolf, you're not likely to get my vote today... and depending how the vote goes, who dies tonight, etc, etc, we'll see how the longterm views you.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Mac says what I do is dangerous to the gifteds, but I disagree. I've tried to look like the seer many many times when I'm an ordo, because that is my way of trying to draw the wolves away from the real seer. When it's successful I'm very happy, and if it's not I would argue I don't put the real seer in danger at all. No seer has complained about what I do, and it continues to be successful to me, so I continue to do it. When it's not I'll admit it...no problem with saying I fail.

The fact that you're so irritated Mac can't agree with you on this point amuses me to no end, and somewhat raises your stocks in my mind. It is, as I see it, almost exactly like myself and Nogrod when we happen to play together. If we're both innocent, we'll destroy each other by Day 3 because we think exactly the opposite in terms of strategy and philosophy about this game. In other words... good luck with converting him!

Anyway, although I'm easy enough to lure into these theory-of-the-game arguments, I think (remembering Nogrod...), we may be arguing ourselves away from the wolves at this point. I don't think Mac is a wolf, and I don't think Boro is a wolf. I guess this means I ought to move on to someone I DO think is a wolf.

[Hakon]

All this talk of me making newbie errors bothers me. Oh well I will move on for now.

I have a gut feeling telling me that Alona is the snitch but reading these posts makes me think it might be Boro. I am almost one hundred percent sure that Boro is not a wolf. I am a bit suspicious of Form. He is a bit like Inziladun was in the last game. He is offering great opinions and thoughts but all the while he might be blending in better than any other wolf. I know it is not good reasoning and it will probably get called a noob error but I am just sharing my thoughts.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm growing more wary of alonariel, based on the jump against me. Her post saying I was too defensive, and backing away by almost saying it was no big deal looks wolvish.

And the fact that I voted for Mac on the first Day? I won't deny it does look like I've been siding with him, but not purposely so. I only backed down after you explained yourself because I didn't want to give you any more reason to be on the defensive. It seems like you've been getting into a heated match with Mac as it is

As for Brinn, I'm not sure her silence points towards her being a librarian, but she is one of the people I'm watching for wolvery.

Hakon just popped up, but where is Autume?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by alonariel

As for Brinn, I'm not sure her silence points towards her being a librarian, but she is one of the people I'm watching for wolvery.

I concur on both counts.

[Macalaure]

I still think Boro is the snitch hiding behind the mask of a tricksy ordo. If you don't think so, have it your way. Let's hope his help to the librarians won't be crucial, or that I'm wrong.

None of the people I thought were innocent earlier managed to change that, except that I'm a bit wary of Form. I see no reason to go after Nessa or Fea either, which leaves Brinn and autume. Autume hasn't shown up yet. Not sure what to do with Brinn. Her defensiveness doesn't make me feel better. I like Form's points.

And yes, that was my comment, not Fea's.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Form

An innocent Brinn, I'm thinking, would be royally ticked off at us for planning to kill her RIGHT before she can get more involved in the game (Brinn is a WW fiend, last I checked). So why is she so casual?

Could be an innocent Brinn who hasn't had time to invest properly in the game, and is an ordo, so doesn't particularly care? I find Nessa's points against Brinn to be good, but this makes me think you're pushing a little hard for a Brinn-lynch.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I intend to vote tonight for somebody with the least amount of posts, either Hakon or Nessa. Since I don't have a solid wolf suspect, I prefer to rid the village of quiet unknowns while we still have the numbers to safely do it.

[Macalaure]

I'm about to fall asleep, so I will have to vote now.

Autume hasn't been around, so I don't think I'll vote for her.
Brinn I suspect of librarianism most right now, but I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt since she will likely be more active toMorrow.

That leaves Boro, but only because of the special power of the snitch.

++Boromir88

I hope you will end up lynching one of these three in the end. Don't do something... hasty... while I'm asleep.

Oh, Fea, if you're really only after the quiet ones, consider Autume, too, please.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Oh, Fea, if you're really only after the quiet ones, consider Autume, too, please.

It's funny... in order of least participation, it goes Nessa, Hakon, Nienna, Brinn, autume, etcetera. But what's funny is that I can think of things that Nienna posted, and Brinn, a bit, and Hakon, and Nessa (though I remember more what Brinn said about Nessa than what Nessa said)... but I can't think of a single thing that autume has said.

*is thoughtful*

[autume98]

Sorry I haven't been around. RL got a little crazy today. Just got caught up in reading some of the posts. Looks like a lot has been happening especially between Boro and Mac.

Not sure what to think of Brinn. I can understand being busy yet at the same time her vote yesterDay does look suspicious.

Edit: x-ed with #193 to this one

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by alonariel

As for Brinn, I'm not sure her silence points towards her being a librarian, but she is one of the people I'm watching for wolvery.

Brinn did say on the Admin thread that she preferred if the game didn't start until tomorrow (Thursday), the implication being that she was not going to be around much before then, but since she's playing anyway, I assume she isn't completely absent. In any case, it is never fair to discount a wolf on the basis of quietness. One or two of us have been indicted over the years on account of getting unusually giddy and posting too much, but Brinn, at least, has carried off the quiet, unassuming, lupine killer role before, if my memory serves.

And, really, the way this game is going, I think I'm finding myself exonerating mentally everyone in proportion to how much they're talking. It's not that Boro and Mac are innocent... but there's so much more reason I can grapple with to convince me they might be. Autume, to reflect the other side of the coin, is a big, black, question mark.

EDIT: x-ed with Brinn.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Brinn did say on the Admin thread that she preferred if the game didn't start until tomorrow (Thursday), the implication being that she was not going to be around much before then, but since she's playing anyway, I assume she isn't completely absent. In any case, it is never fair to discount a wolf on the basis of quietness. One or two of us have been indicted over the years on account of getting unusually giddy and posting too much, but Brinn, at least, has carried off the quiet, unassuming, lupine killer role before, if my memory serves.

I can sympathize with not having enough time. The main reason I've been posting so much today is because I stayed home sick from work