WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Eönwë]

2 possible variations on the main scenario:

Another possible option is that there are 2 of them left, which makes them have to sway toMorrow's vote as well, but if they kill a suspicious ordo then cobbler-Izzy can help them.

Or (this is with 3 again) maybe Mac is a huge set-up, and he is the ranger, and the wolves know we'll vote him toDay, dooming us all. Or if they have 2, they can lynch Mac toDay and use Izzy-cobbler to force another lynch toMorrow.


Lucky I still have my retraction...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Lucky I still have my retraction...

I say this, however, unless there are amazing amounts of evidence against Mac being a wolf, I will stick with my vote. I can't believe he managed to get himself out of it yesterDay!

[Eönwë]

Also, Nerwen could be a cobbler as well, and if that's the case then they've already won unless the cobblers make a mistake and vote with the wrong side.

[Eönwë]

Yet another option is that they had 3, sacrificed Lommy to get Mac lynched the next Day, and then can turn on anyone, and everyone being so disorientated wouldn't know who to vote, and even if there aren't cobblers (which I highly doubt) they could probably create a convincing lynch target.

Argh my head hurts- too many possibilities!

[Eönwë]

Oh.

I was still reading the last page during my previous posts and hadn't seen Lommy's confession. So that settles it. Either she really was the ranger or she was (And is) a sacrifice by the confident wolf-team which is now almost certainly going to win. I think that the former is the truth, as I don't think that Lommy would stay up all Night if their victory wasn't totally certain (however, it would be if they have cobblers).

Ok, I have probably around 2 hours left. If Mac doesn't come in that time and give a very very very good reason why we shouldn't lynch him, I'm sticking with my vote.

[Boromir88]

I can't be around much but I have one post to make - I owe you all an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I got myself lynched for I was the ranger.~Lommy

Argh nabbit, I was trying to relieve some pressure from whoever the real ranger was by rejecting Mac's claim and looking like I was sure he was lying through his wooden teeth.

I think that's more or less the mutineers took me out, they bit and thought I was the Ranger. This is why I can't be too critical against Mac, and why I think despite the "oh well" way he's presented it, has come up with a pretty ingenious defense. Basically, I thought, well since I might have been killed because they thought I was the real Ranger, maybe I could just claim it and provide protection for the true Ranger if he/she still be out there.

But I realized this was not a good idea, as well I'm already dead, and even if I was the real Ranger, I would be no threat to the wolves, and they would not kill me again. So, saying I was would be pretty useless. And in the worst case, everyone would think I was the cobbler, because what if the real Ranger didn't catch on and then revealed anyway.

So yes, I just decided to accept my fate and since I was the one who was night-killed felt good that perhaps the real Ranger was still out there...alas this is not so.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I know I'm innocent, and I'm afraid that's the main basis I was so sure of Lommy's guilt, because the only thing she's ever had against me is process-of-elimination, which I've already blown out of the water (there's no way of knowing how many mutineers we've lynched already).

So we've got a dead Lommy claiming to be the Ranger, Mac claiming to be the Ranger yesterday but retracting and saying he's just an ordo today...

I'm tempted to vote Mac, but I know I'll be on at deadline, so I'm going to wait. My main reason for not voting him now is still Lommy.

[Boromir88]

One more thing...

++Macalaure (x 5,025,646 ghost votes)

I'd like to see him avoid this lynch.

...wait you're telling me you will count pregnant chads but not ghost votes?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

And is Mac too obvious a choice? Perhaps exhibiting Cobbler behaviour? It seems he's taken most of the attention for quite a while now but managed to avoid both lynching and night-killing.
I'm not advising anyone not to vote for him necessarily, I just think that's something to keep in mind.

That's exactly the way it is. You make me feel really bad for suspecting you earlier.

Originally Posted by Eonwe

2. It's all a huge Mac-framing.

Can't be. Lommy tried to, and she did so well that I had to resort to extreme means to get her lynched. Now I will probably suffer her fate, but that does not mean at any rate that all my voters are guilty or misled. At the very least Boro does what he does for innocent reasons, as frustrating as it is. (Iow, I don't think he's the cobbler.)

I'm puzzled by Eonwe. His behaviour today is not what I expected it to be (I expected a quick dismissal of all my defenses). Especially,

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Lucky I still have my retraction...

does not seem to make any sense for a mutineer, unless he thinks I'm indeed a cobbler and wants to maintain the option of keeping me around if it doesn't hurt him.

Also, Sally's confessed evilness (of whichever sort), makes me feel better about him because of his important vote against him.

I'm puzzled by Lommy, too. She either has to be pretty darn certain that I will be dead today (more certain than I am), because why else should she switch her tone today? This makes me feel even more certain about her. If I was lynched and thought a wolf was behind it, I would be even more fixated on getting rid of that wolf. If I had been lynched as a wolf with an innocent behind it, well, that's what happens to most wolves, after all. It doesn't necessarily merit more involvement.

Originally Posted by Lommy

you know why Mac's "reveal" didn't make me falter

Because you are a wolf who had her head far, far too deep inside the mess?

Originally Posted by Lommy

I advice looking at everybody's reactions yesterDay, it will probably help a lot.

Translation: Gwathagor is a wolf and if you follow my advice you will only lynch innocents and we win.

Originally Posted by Lommy

and Mac a known-wolf-to-be they didn't need Boro anymore as his other remaining-alive cover.

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Boro

the other well based on pretty much what he said with regards to Kath

Are you serious? That I had a "very bad" feeling about Kath was one of the two reasons? *shakes head*

Originally Posted by Boro

This is because his defense today looks pretty lackluster, in that he's accepted his fate and now as the..."Well I'm an ordo, I just said I was the Ranger, because I know Lommy's a mutineer...and it's worth the real risk if the real Ranger actually did reveal." I mean that type of defense, to say if the Ranger revealed, "oh well, I know we got a mutineer" should leave no one with doubts about Mac's role.

I'm afraid I can only put up such a performance now and then. YesterDay I could save myself and kill Lommy with the ranger-reveal. Today it will take a miracle, and I won't burn myself out for one that won't come.

Originally Posted by Boro

maybe a mutineer Mac is putting on a cobbler mask to dissuade people from lynching him

If I was actually doing that, I would give you a much more entertaining and obvious cobbler, trust me.


One thing I noticed about Boro's death. The kills so far have pretty much followed a pattern, haven't they? Greenie, Eomer, Inziladun - involved posters (usually), independent voters, and completely ignored since they're dead. Rikae was an obvious deviation from the plan, but Boro is a completely different type of kill. I don't know what it could mean, though.